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@carolinecwilder
@MattWalshBlog
@RaymondZino
So your dog only attacks people that behave in ways it doesn’t like? Are you seeing where I’m coming from? If your dog defaults to attacking people unless everything is right, it’s not a sensible choice as a pet.
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@qbellowmusic
@carolinecwilder
@MattWalshBlog
@RaymondZino
So it’s a safe and sensible pet as long as not left alone with someone, in which case it may try to kill them?
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@shalbaby8
@Jaredtnelson
‘Because person A was set on fire, person B cannot complain about being kicked in the teeth.’ That’s your level of thinking.
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@LutherBurgsvik
Woh. Public health ethics really have been burned at the CV altar. ‘He froze to death because he wouldn’t submit to a medical procedure. We’re cool with that.’
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I mean…just wow. Masks don’t actually work in the real world but should be mandatory anyway because they WOULD work if people weren’t such silly billies. Public health is a joke.
@peterobinson77
The mechanistic evidence is strong so most of these papers demonstrate how hard it is to do a RCT that shows a population scale effect because it relies on human behaviour for adherence. It doesn’t mean that they have no effect if you are wearing one properly.
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I’m gonna say the unsayable. My kids still had access to swings and slides. We have them in our garden because we’re upper middle class. This explains why so many people didn’t care about closing playgrounds. That’s the truth. It broke my heart then and still does now.
How many lives did this save, Martin? Zero.
And it caused untold misery for millions of children across the country.
What a shameful period of our history.
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@VintageMrHobbes
@ollysmithtravel
It’s very strange indeed. I’m both vaccinated and recovered but won’t go to any country with a hysterical policy like this.
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@sonianolten
It’s actually quite a nice example of how unskilled people construct ‘gotcha’ questions. They take two seemingly inconsistent assertions and accidentally challenge the plausible one, rather than the implausible one.
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Does anyone genuinely disagree with a word of this? Good on
@Fox_claire
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...Lessons need to be learned after what happened over the two pandemic years - not simply to point the finger, but so that we avoid future suspension of civil liberties and the closing down of public life in future 'emergencies'. (2/2)
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@DominicWaghorn
Glad you added this caveat, because it makes the rest (which is Hamas apologism and likely made up) utterly irrelevant.
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@ArchRose90
It’s an interesting exchange. Nothing Farage says is heard, let alone considered. It’s all straw man and offence.
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@berniespofforth
@Francis_Hoar
Absolutely sick that they were kept apart. Disgusting violation of their human rights.
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@StereotypGasman
Do you treat overweight people? What about people who don’t exercise? What about people who drink too much? Give your head a wobble and remember your ethics training.
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@ollysmithtravel
Because ‘they’ have wanted to impose digital passports for years. This is the best chance.
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@PoliticsForAlI
Of course! I almost regret getting vaccinated because the coercion is so disgraceful.
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@skepticalzebra
Not sure true for healthy young people. Vaccination seems to do very little indeed.
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@educationgovuk
@COREJQAcademy
It’s better for society as a whole not to play this testing game any longer.
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The lockdown came too early. The correct time was never.
It’s overwhelmingly obvious that the first lockdown came in too late. If it had come in earlier, it could’ve been eased earlier. You don’t need an inquiry to work that out.
What isn’t obvious is who is to blame for the delay.
Cabinet Office? SAGE? DHSC? PM?
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@IsabelOakeshott
Arrested for causing someone anxiety. I dare say being arrested caused this man quite a lot of anxiety.
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@CakeNutrition
@BTC_Koba
@_jonasschnelli_
So you were all wildly wrong then but cannot be questioned now?
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@BallouxFrancois
It’s shocking that most public health experts seemingly threw away not only all pre-2020 pandemic planning but also all pre-existing knowledge as to how viruses of this kind tend to behave (even if we have imperfect information why they do so behave).
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Look what fear-based ‘public health’ messaging did to some people.
Here's me right before eating lunch with my FloMask on. I had the LaminAir partly on my lap and on the table to save space. Louvers pointed to my face so I could get relatively clean air (13).
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@win_n10
@rwjdingwall
@dobssi
What is this middle path? If it means using the criminal law to make people at no risk behave as though at high risk, it’s unacceptable in any liberal (or remotely humane) country.
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@MonicaGandhi9
@Robber_Baron_
So being forced to undergo a medical procedure that involves injecting an experimental substance into your body isn’t very authoritarian to you?
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@GeorgeMonbiot
@joshuasmickus
You’re clearly wrong on the science and contemptibly wrong on the ethics.
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@michael_riordan
I’ve been enormously unimpressed with the inquiry. I thought from the outset that it was entirely pointless, and it’s been worse than I expected. Very sad.
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‘Should have had a Lockdown sooner’ has come back from the dead as the ultimate mid-wit idea. So depressing given that it was debunked many months ago. Yet it’s gone mainstream again. Breathtakingly moronic.
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@JohnSimpsonNews
I’m not angry with you, John. I’m sad and disappointed that the BBC cannot show an ounce of integrity and call a terrorist a terrorist. It’s shameful.
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@talkRADIO
@UsforThemUK
@JuliaHB1
@michelledonelan
How on Earth can this minister say with a straight face that ‘we are prioritising education’. That’s flatly untrue. It is being given very little weight indeed.
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Hard to disagree. How anyone could think being reliant (indirectly) on Russia for essential energy supplies was a sensible course…. Virtue signalling put above the fundamental duty of a state.
About time.
The neglect of UK energy security has been criminal
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Middle son instructed to colour the U.K. in red, Finland in blue and Europe in yellow. He responded with brutal efficiency.
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I knew it was going to happen. But it’s still deeply upsetting to see that the ‘lessons learned’ from the pandemic are going to be ‘Lockdown hard for years’. Despite all the evidence. Despite the absolute horror that in a modern liberal democracy. This country is for the dogs.
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Wow. Unions making up nonsense numbers to try to justify forcing masks onto children. A new low?
@UsforThemUK
@nadhimzahawi
Mask wearing reduces transmission but a factor of eight. The second most efficient suppressant after ventilation which reduces transmission by a factor of thirty.
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I’ll never agree with (or even respect) pro-lockdown arguments. They all rely on the obviously false,
anti-human and soulless idea that there’s nothing worse than death. There’s plenty worse than death. Having old couples die apart from each other because of ‘measures’ is worse..
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If you look at the last 3 years and think ‘What we needed was more rigid ‘scientific’ authoritarianism and less attention paid to the economy’, you are either (a) not a serious person or (b) very stupid. What we needed and sorely lacked was courage, compassion and reason.
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@jburnmurdoch
@jengleruk
@Samfr
Using ‘Covid’ to mean the policy response to Covid is a misleading shorthand. It’s also deeply political in that it writes out of history that these harms are the result of choices and not nature.
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@LegoLas44941816
Lost me at ‘the prime duty of government is to protect people from death and disease’. It’s really really not. Nobody has ever even tried to argue that proposition.
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Long Covid hysteria is very strange. Long Covid in kids hysteria is beyond strange - some people are desperate to believe the unevidenced proposition that children are seriously affected by Covid. Why? Why choose to believe something so distressing?
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@JeromeAdamsMD
@JuliaHB1
Julia didn’t call you a liar. She stated that what you said was a lie. And it was, as she then demonstrated. Notable that you have no response to the points she has made.
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Absolutely desperate, these mask lovers. They told us it was obvious masks worked; turned out they definitely don’t do much at all; yet here we still are - still being told that of course they work. It’s the scientific method that’s wrong now, apparently.
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@KathrynPaisner
@LucBernard
Antisemitism. There’s your answer. It’s short but perfectly sufficient. Rank antisemitism has been tolerated on the left forever.
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@BallouxFrancois
From all I have read, ‘Long Covid’ looks to be an inappropriately broad catch-all term that covers everything from post-viral fatigue to unrelated depression or anxiety disorders. There are also probably some fairly nasty long lasting effects of the virus, too, of course.
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@timspector
Oh goodness that’s a bad take. You’re espousing illiberal coercion because it works.
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@LegoLas44941816
Impossible to parody now. It turns out that middle class people will do anything it takes to make themselves feel a bit safer. Utterly demolished the idea that the middle class left genuinely cares about the poor. Always just a smokescreen or virtue signalling.
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The real problem is that the government and schools made clear for 2 years that school is a low priority. Teachers made clear they don’t care all that much about teaching. Kids and parents have just got the message and deprioritised school.
The problem is that we're expecting more of schools. They rose to the challenge in the pandemic and set the bar high. My staff delivered food, set up furniture, generally went above and beyond. People have come to expect this, and so feel let down when it doesn't happen.
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@JaneWilliams_0
@AllisonPearson
And given that the scientists made fools of themselves. The arrogance is comical.
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This is a wonderful example of how to abandon all intellectual honesty.
“You can’t always wait for the best evidence to make a decision when you have cases doubling every four days”
Professor Christina Pagel says in a pandemic decisions have to be made in a “situation of uncertainty”
#Newsnight
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That press conference was a lightbulb moment for me. Shocking that the government was so willing to mislead. Depressing that they knew they would get away with it because nobody in the room was intelligent enough to see the issue.
This week we learned that No10 was told that this 4,000-dead graph was wrong *before* it was used to justify the second lockdown.
It was shown on live TV to an audience of 14m
In this week’s Spectator we look at the anatomy of an (ignored) scandal
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Please do not fund these people. They do nothing but harm.
🚨Crowdfunder🚨
Help us keep Independent SAGE running
We are launching a fresh appeal for funds to continue our briefings. All the scientists give their time for free, but there are production costs that need covering. So if you are able, support us 🙏👇
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@lockdownsceptic
@jadenozzz
A deeply offensive and divisive term. No doubt dreamt up by one of the ‘nudge’ artists.
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@feeling_elfish
@hassaanhch
@LucyGoBag
@BBCLondonNews
Parents were prevented from visiting dying children in hospital. That happened. In this country. And people think it was OK. Even thinking about it now makes me furious.
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@BarristerSecret
Eeek. You want the BSB to police political speech, even from serving MPs? Seriously?
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@andrew_lilico
Sweden exists. And the government’s own cost/benefit showed lockdowns cost more lives than they saved. You’re living in a fact free world to avoid realising you were conned.
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@andrew_lilico
You can’t seriously believe that. The Tories are likely to not only lose badly but suffer a catastrophic defeat at the next GE.
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@AaronBastani
A half-hearted apology for something essentially unforgivable. Show some integrity.
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Gove absolutely has to go.
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@covidinquiryuk
@ITV
I’ll need help in understanding why you’re pushing a fictional TV programme that amounts to pro-lockdown propaganda. And why you’re offering healthcare when you’re supposed to be a fact-finding inquiry.
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The level of stupidity involved in that first paragraph is monumental. Two countries; both have good outcomes; one embraced the most extreme authoritarianism; the other didn’t. And he still doesn’t get it.
I always wonder: why do the people who bring up Sweden as a Covid exemplar never bring up New Zealand (who had some of the toughest Covid policies in the world, along with some of the best outcomes, and highest trust in government)?
And why do they also fail to recognize both…
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Funny to compare the Covid discourse - ‘If it saves one life (of a 90 year old), any price (in terms of wrecking the economy and society) is worth paying’ - to the Bully XL discourse. Kill them all if it saves on child? Seems sensible to me.
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Definitely not a global conspiracy of authoritarian mid-wits. No no. That would be a conspiracy theory.
I’m excited to see
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@AdamWagner1
And surely nobody actually disagrees with that? I’m genuinely interested to know whether it’s just squeamishness and virtue signalling that makes people (pretend to) disagree.
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Hasan calling Balloux ‘unserious’ is so deliciously insane.
Unserious people like this Balloux guy should be reminded again and again how their Covid predictions were wrong time and again and how many people died because they listened to the Covid minimizers
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@BarristersHorse
I’ve never heard of anyone volunteering the tax they pretend they want to have to pay. Utterly disingenuous people.
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Forever lockdowns haven’t been promoted for a while. Nice to see one in the wild!
@andrew_lilico
Speak for yourself Andrew; I don’t want to die.
The Goebbels-like repetition that “lockdown was bad, m’kay” when it saved millions of lives is staggering.
In another such a pandemic, people will also not want to die, and will accept lockdowns if no vaccine exists.
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Absolutely appalling. Sweden, remember, was the best evidence that there was no need for vile authoritarianism. Hancock’s attitude was to make it unspeakable.
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@whstancil
Wanting children to be educated and socialised is normal. Being so terrified of a cough that you want to throw children under the bus is not.
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Remember when we had our faces rubbed in the fact that people will do whatever they’re told, no matter how absurd?
March 26th 2020, 4 weeks into the 2 weeks to flatten the curve.
The propaganda used to convince 90% of the population to clap like performing seals for the NHS was huge.
Mass formation psychosis achieved.
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@MonicaGandhi9
If masks were barriers you would have a point. They’re not. They’re very porous. They’ve also been tested in RCTs and found to have no effect. You can’t keep banging the ‘they should work’ drum.
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@ThatRyanChap
Great to see masks being retained despite having no effect other than to make people miserable and maintain a climate of fear?
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@Nestar_84
Because we pretend everyone was in it together. That’s a lie. And it should always be called out. If MPs lived in small flats with 2 or more kids, we wouldn’t have had lockdowns.
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Andre Neil is a liberal again now he’s no longer scared of a cough.
It’s easy to support the rights of people with whom you agree. It is more important to defend the rights of those with whom you don’t. Remember the words of Voltaire’s biographer: “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Also, please…
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@PippaCrerar
@SimonMcDonaldUK
@TimesRadio
Curt?’! It’s a national emergency! I’m amazed anyone survived this.
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Are we allowed to point out that lockdowns destroyed the economy yet? Or is it too soon?
NEW: 🚨
*Bank of England raises interest rates by 0.5% to 1.75%, biggest rise in 25 years,
*as it predicts an even higher peak in inflation of 13 (THIRTEEN) %
🚨 Bank predicts recession starting this year lasting as long as financial crisis (5 quarters), as deep as 1990s
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@MLevitt_NP2013
The better point is that these statistics are not informative when it comes to individual risk. My risk unvaccinated would be near-zero. It might be slightly closer to zero if vaccinated, but so what? Risk is irrelevantly tiny in either case.
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Turns out that if you tell parents and kids - for literally years - that school is inessential and matters less than a cough, they won’t take school seriously. Amazing.
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Chris Whitty wants us all to be grateful to him for locking us in our houses and wrecking our futures for ‘no recompense’. Lovely human.
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I don’t comment on trans issues, but I do comment on homophobia. This is a pretty remarkable example, especially when presented as a virtuous position.
@1917AndAllThat
But the issue here is not objects, it's feelings. If Dr Stock says she feels she is a lesbian we believe her. Why then do we not believe a trans woman when she says she feels like a woman? Both are responding to a sensibility at odds with their biological reality
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; having children die without their parents is worse; leaving the elderly to die from despair is worse; destroying the comfort and meaning we all derive from modern liberal democracy is worse; destroying the economic conditions for our children is worse. Death is inevitable.
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It genuinely blows my mind that the Covid Inquiry is aiming at establishing that we should have stayed in lockdown for even longer. Astonishing attitude in a liberal democracy.
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It would be a good thing if it was part of health-seeking behaviour. In fact, it’s largely because young people aren’t socialising and are demoralised and depressed.
I love the fact that fewer and fewer young people are drinking alcohol.
That's a positive trend.
Boozing will go the way of smoking.
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@casertron3000
@skepticalzebra
Who needs society anyway? You can sit at home safe while people bring you things. That’s real living. That’s what good people want.
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