Neasa Hourigan TD
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Green Party Dublin Central TD. Spokesperson on Finance and Health. Member of 'happy-clappy band of flaky lentil-knitters engrossed in rewilding themselves'.
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I guess we're not learning from the
#RTE
debacle. Serious governance funding issues have emerged with the Horse and Greyhound Racing fund in the last few months but the minister rejects calls from PAC to review it. Only taxpayers money?
@pippa_hackett
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It's
#WorldSightDay
and today I'm celebrating my 8 year old's first email written in Braille to arrive in my inbox. Living with vision loss is a journey whether you're born with it or develop it over time. Pretty proud of her today.
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Depicting female politicians as witches is another way of trying to force us back into a box. We're shrill, malign, emotional etc. This undertone is present in the national media regularly (the cartoon today just a very blatant and disappointing example).
#EverydaySexism
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It is difficult to see how €21.80 worth of cannabis merits the court and Garda effort involved here. We need to move away from drugs policy approach weighted so heavily toward criminal justice to one focused on harm reduction.
@themayonews
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My mam rang this morning excited to let me know about our appearance on the Irish Times front page.....and to comment on my choice of t-shirt. 'Why couldn't you wear a nice dress?' Things haven't changed that much!
#GE2020
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Transgender people exist. Kids are compassionate and accepting. Actively hiding the existence of some people is deeply odd. My kids have dealt with disability, chronic illness, etc etc before the age of ten with grace and humour. Cause that's life. Don't lie to your children.
Catholic primary school managers say their pupils should not be taught what it means to be transgender in a strongly worded letter sent to Government ministers
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"Leo Varadkar is open to forming a national unity government, as long as it does not involve Sinn Fein."
Ummm....that's not what unity means.
#COVID19ireland
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I shouldn't laugh but....
Green Party Ask Leo Varadkar To Explain His Actions, If It’s Not Too Much Trouble Sorry For Asking
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Feels a bit unreal still but thank you to every person who gave me a number 1 or even a number 10! Thank you to my brilliant and dedicated branch. Thank you to all members of the green party who fought so hard this election to put the
#ClimateCrisis
into the election. We did it!
Delight for Green Party’s Neasa Hourigan, who exceeded the quota on the final count in Dublin Central.
@neasa_neasa
@rtenews
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We have occupied South William Street and declared a
#CleanAirZone
until 7pm. A viable pedestrian plan has been stalled for almost a decade on this street.
#StreetsAreForPeople
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So incredibly proud of my colleague and friend
@hazechu
tonight. The Late Late show is a big deal and I know how much she's dealt with in terms of racism in the last year, she's brave to come on and talk about it. She's a warrior.
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This is an extraordinary action by Trinity College and brings the organisation into disrepute. Financial loses? Student protests are historically a hugely important part of public debate and this is a very serious attack on free speech. It's a place of learning not a business.
Trinity College has fined its Students' Union €214,000 for financial losses incurred as a result of disruptive protests held by the union throughout this academic year
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In the (possibly) closing hours of the debate on the NMH I want to reiterate my heartfelt and genuine concern around the pushing through of this deal and ask that the cabinet pause this decision for further scrutiny. For the following reasons: 1/7
@OurMatHosp
#MakeNMHOurs
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Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board, almost entirely funded by Horse Racing Ireland, is before the Committee of Public Accounts today.
Jaw dropping stuff:
1. Early redundancy package of over €300k for former CEO
2. Can't locate employment contracts for key individuals
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Ireland, as a small country, does far more to contribute positively to global politics and peace as a neutral country than we ever could as a military force.
📣 Leo Varadkar all but opening the debate on Ireland's military neutrality in the Dáil - says we have gotten by for 70yrs presuming nobody would attack us, and that even if we were, the US and UK would come to our defence… he says he's not sure that's tenable position any more
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This is extraordinary from the
@aaroadwatch
. The fines are for illegal parking. I'd like to invite the senior staff from AA to come for a walk with me and my 9 year old (who uses a white cane) around Dublin and get a sense of what a 'blow to someone hard pressed' really means.
Clamping fines in Dublin city will rise 56% from €80 to €125 from next week. The Green Party says its necessary to discourage car use but the Automobile Association says its a blow to already hard pressed motorists
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The establishment of safe access zones for people accessing abortion services in Ireland is a core commitment in the Programme for Government between the three coalition parties and must be adhered to.
#RepealedThe8th
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Unless travel is absolutely vital and necessary we should all be staying home. However I will be writing to the dept to get clarity on how and why we would police one particular group in this way and in what circumstances Dublin Airport provides this information.
Speaking on
#rtetwip
Tánaiste
@LeoVaradkar
says "the Department of Social Protection gets information from the airports and if somebody is not genuinely seeking work or is not living in the country anymore their welfare payments can be stopped".
#rtenews
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Boarding a bus and taking head counts is not peaceful protest. It is intimidation, harassment and amounts to detaining people.
@gardainfo
must now explain why no arrests were made and how they'll pursue prosecutions for this incident in the coming days.
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There is no need to tweet this man's photo as if there is a direct link to people who live or occupy inner city streets and the events of last week. This is ill advised and unfair.
On Thurs 3 small children & a teacher randomly & viciously stabbed here at Gaelscoil Cholaiste Mhuire. This is pick up time at same school yesterday. For all the hot air and diversions NO lessons have been learned by Govt. NO care or respect. No political accountability.
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The Phoenix Park Tourist Experience redevelopment will see significant sections of the park built on with little regard for nature or its historic landscape. I've created a super easy link if you'd like to submit before the 31st May deadline.
#DublinGreen
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Delighted to say that the proposal to pedestrianise Liffey Street Lower has been passed unanimously by Dublin City Council.
#StreetsAreForPeople
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'Where do you think you are?'
Hmmmm. A frustrating session with the Mental Health Commission at the Disability Matters committee this morning.
The residents of Owennacurra deserve more clarity on steps the Mental Health Commission is taking on behalf of the residents
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We also spend something in the region of €800,000 annually on wholly unproven Hi Vis campaigns. The RSA go into primary schools telling children they are responsible for making themselves seen to drivers. The whole thing is backwards.
@RSAIreland
How cycling families dress in countries that really understand road safety.
Every time you propagate the high vis myth,
you shift the balance of power on our roads even further towards motorists and absolve them of the need to drive carefully.
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€16 million continued funding for Greyhound racing- a private industry with a proven record of animal welfare failures. That really puts the €9 million on cycling and the €3.7 million on solar panels into perspective!
#budget2020
More than 16 million granted to the Greyhound Board in
#Budget2020
, Minister of State Andrew Doyle has defended the move saying without state supports the organisation could not implement the kind of reforms needed.
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Dear Green Party Members, results are in today. Whether you voted yes or no on the
#pfg
you voted the right way. You engaged, you acted in good faith. I am so proud of our commitment to grassroots democracy, even when things get difficult. Good on all of ye!
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Today is (a very, very rainy)
#MakeWayDay22
. Stuff that moves (parked cars, bins, dog poo) are more problematic for visually impaired people than stationary obstacles that you know are there. Be safe, dry and unobstructive to those with disabilities out there today!
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We had our Green Party Special Convention on the Programme for Government. I spoke against the Programme because I feel it doesn't do enough for the people on the margins of society.
#PfG
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I am at a loss as to how and why there was no intervention by Gardai here. Masked men gather to intimidate at someone's private home?
Masked men harass Minister Roderic O'Gorman by covering his home in unfounded propaganda banners this evening. And it appears stopping a car in his street. Is this where we are now? Is your home no longer a safe space? Where will this end?
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🚗Parked on a footpath
🚗Using a publicly funded body to promote a private business
🚗Using a publicly funded body to promote a carbon intensive product and company
🚗Encouraging car use and purchase
🚗It's not even an electric car
I don't like this...at all.
#ClimateAction
On the road again! The Lord Mayor received the 1st registered car in Cork for 2020. The new Ford Mondeo Vignale Hybrid 201-C-1 was presented by Henry Ford & Son LTD
📸Lord Mayor Cllr. John Sheehan,Chief Executive of Cork City Council Ann Doherty & John Manning Ford Ireland
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The new argument is that we must ratify
#CETA
immediately or it will collapse the government. If you are a Green Party branch or elected rep please, please don't use your position to tell our lovely members this. It is simply dishonest, manipulative and not grounded in reality
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Nope.
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The reality of these numbers is an indictment of our low wage economy. It exposes how many working families were effectively living in poverty.
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I think phasing out the use of private jets across the EU would be a worthwhile climate measure and I hope Ireland can support this French initiative.
@EamonRyan
.
#ClimateEmergency
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Excellent idea. Thanks Brendan..
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'These gatherings are not planned events and as such DCC had very little powers to deal with them'.
Powers available to DCC...
- Give sufficient car free space
- Adequate no. of bins
- Access to toilets
- Increased waste collection
- Increased policing
- Signage/communication
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INM media is pushing this (imaginary deal) very hard, not a great look to have a totally unverified story on the front page. I wonder why this large corporate entity would be trying to shape the narrative. 🤔🤔🤔
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This is the most appalling footage. There can be no justification for this.
The closest video of the
#Israeli
police suppressing the funeral procession of Shireen Abu Aqleh as the coffin was leaving the French hospital towards the cemetery
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This is an incredibly serious allegation against an Irish state agency. A research body spending taxpayers money on disinformation at the behest of international lobbyists? 1/3
@Independent_ie
@irishexaminer
@IrishTimes
@teagasc
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Do I dare to hope for the future of cultural space in Dublin?
#Cobblestone
hotel application has been refused. 👏 Down to the people power of everyone who got involved!
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Please DO NOT put or engrave your eircode on your bike frame. Eircodes are easily searchable online and for many people this could be a a safety issue.
Your bike's serial number- yes
Your Eircode- no
🚲 🚴 Today, Minister
@1Hildegarde
launched the ‘Lock it or Lose it’ campaign. An Garda Síochána will be placing blue bikes in areas where there is a high rate of bike theft to help raise awareness.
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This is the opposite of what we should do!
If the government is serious about climate action then public transport (in every part of the country) needs to be the fastest, easiest, cheapest, nicest way to get most places. Clogging up our already congested bus lanes is a big no!
Government urged to allow electric vehicles use bus lanes and park for free…. Read all about it in the Irish Mail on Sunday
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I'm delighted to see the pedestrianisation trial of College Green go ahead but security guards, thousands of metal barriers, pedestrians being refused access to the space and no cycle parking is not what I had in mind
#StreetsAreForPeople
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Hey! This is your reminder that our current government spend more on greyhound racing than it does on our National Parks and Wildlife Service. (NPWS €11 versus €16 for Greyhound Racing)
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What's happening on O'Connell St? - long term homelessness, failure to reform out of date drugs policies, poor access to basic healthcare, a systemically weak local government due to the centralisation of power in gov depts. We TDs are to blame not the people of Dublin Central.
Fine Gael TD
@campaign4kehoe
says he’s ashamed of O’Connell street, wouldn’t send any tourists down there and it’s full of ‘druggies, crime, alcohol, takeaways’
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If the amount of people emailing and dm'ing me abuse in the last 48 hours, claiming they will never vote for me again, had actually voted for me in May I would have won by a lot more than I did.
#StreetsAreForPeople
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This is just plain wrong. Grown adults who make the decision to harass and intimidate the most vulnerable among us are responsible for their own actions. No failures in the system (and there are many) gives permission for a lack of compassion and decency in how we treat others.
The blockade at a hotel housing asylum seekers in Inch, Co Clare is reflecting a real frustration and anger with the Government, Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald has said, and responsibility lies with them
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Of all the cynical, wrong headed responses to the riots this has to be up there.
@DubCham
what on earth is the premise here? This happened in a heavy traffic area and you'll use it to lobby against a more human friendly, pedestrian city? I'm baffled.
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@Berlinnaeus
Vote will likely be tomorrow night at weekly divisions not tonight, but the answer is yes.
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The free speech argument only holds if you entirely ignore the power dynamics at play. A senior political force in gov, side stepping the participative democracy process we have (citizens assemblies) to hand pick speakers on a highly divisive subject and calling it public debate.
“Your willingness to engage is the barometer of its success.”
Micheál Martin in a virtual shouting match with anti-war demonstrators at the Consultative Forum this morning.
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If you disagree with the legislation on terminations come and protest those of us who make legislation in parliament, not those going privately to their doctor.
That a senior cleric does not understand this basic principle is worrying.
#SafeAccessZones
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I will be able to vote with the motions from the opposition on Palestine tonight. I have that option as, having been already kicked out of government over resisting an end to the eviction ban, I'm not bound by the government whip. Not so straight forward for others.
@younggreens
@neasa_neasa
Hi Neasa. I'm glad to hear you joined us marching last Saturday. Your vote this evening could be a huge step towards bring about a ceasefire, if chosen to make it clear to Israel that we cannot condone war crimes being committed. Please make the right choice today.
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For anyone interested in Ireland's greyhound racing industry today's PAC is worth a viewing. The financials and dog numbers just don't stack up.
Breeders operate at a loss.
Tracks operate at a loss.
Exported dogs aren't traceable
Thousands of dogs unaccounted for.
#Greyhound
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There is a reason it's so difficult to get to the bottom of the number of greyhounds we breed in this country every year.
The business model (which doesn't stand up to scrutiny anyway) would collapse if numbers were properly audited. I'm using GCEs own numbers here.
#Greyhounds
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👏👏👏 The OPW was “determined to ensure that the park is a safe, quiet, green space for our visitors, where flora and fauna thrives and where visitors’ health and wellbeing can be enhanced through experiencing the natural environment in the Park,”
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Thank god for
@Temple_Street
hospital. I know EDs are overrun around the country but they turned around the 5 year old's arm fracture (fell off a scooter) in 2-2.5 hours and she came home excited about how nice the nurse and doctor were to her. ❤️❤️
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Fine Gael TD Colm Brophy accusing
@cathmartingreen
of point scoring for pointing out that 7% is a target his party signed up to is outrageous. Who agrees to an international treaty to avoid catastrophic climate collapse you have absolutely no intention of fulfilling ?
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Hey, Green Party members, I know you're under huge levels of pressure right now. Block out the noise and read the programme for government. Will it deliver climate action in a socially just way? That's it, that's what your voting on. Good luck!
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I can only assume some kind of crossed wires here given the assurances recently given by the
@opwireland
to elected officials in the area to prioritise air quality, green space and safe usage within the park rather than using it as a heavily trafficed, roadway into the city.
The Office of Public Works (OPW) today announces the re-opening of the perimeter gates to the Phoenix Park, with the exception of Knockmaroon Gate, with affect from Friday 10th July 2020. Further details
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FYI I am going to appeal the decision by DCC to allow the Holiday Inn Express to build on the existing shared beer garden. Only those who made an observation at the beginning can do this (only 12 observations were submitted). 1/
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I am loving this for top trolling and the entertainment value but I also think it's calculated to distract us from the increase in bankers bonuses championed by FG.
🎄🐑IT’S OFFICIAL: The live animal Christmas crib will return this year to the new location of St Stephen’s Green from December 8th!
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What works in tackling anti social behaviour since time immemorial is community based policing/diversion programs and tackling the root causes of deprivation and drug use. What we're being offered?.... 'armed officers, riot police and dog units'.
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If you're wondering why costs escalate in large Irish infrastructure projects- this is why. 9 years into development and people proposing massive redesigns with little evidence or reasoning provided. See also the changing of site for the Children's Hospital etc etc.
@rtenews
A Fianna Fáil TD has called for the MetroLink end point to be moved from Charlemont in the south city centre to Tara Street or St Stephen's Green.
He said it was 'unusual' city not to have a termination point between the airport and the city centre
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Horrendous and irresponsible.
🔸there is no research evidence that seals significantly impact stock
🔸grey seals are a protected species, your proposal is barbaric
🔸the lack of fish is down to mismanaged fisheries, humans did that, not seals
🔸be honest with fishermen
#GE2020
🐟A message to the Fishing Community 🐟
“This is affecting fishermens’ livelihoods, what is needed is to dramatically reduce the amount of seals in our waters"
VOTE NO.1 MICHAEL HEALY-RAE ✅
#GeneralElection2020
#MichaelHealyRae
#VoteNO1
#GE2020
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Jfc! A common state of affairs on most streets in the inner Dublin suburbs. When you have a child with a mobility disability it is rage inducing. I just don't get how people can do this and think its OK.
#StreetsAreForPeople
Pedestrianise the footpaths
📍Decies Road, Ballyfermot
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Delighted that
@Farrell_Mairead
was elected as vice chair to the Budgetary Oversight Committee today. Two women on a money committee, be afraid, be very afraid.
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We have occupied Lower Liffey Street and declared a
#CleanAirZone
until 6pm. A council proposed pedestrian plan for this street is being threatened with legal action by large car park owners in the area.
#StreetsAreForPeople
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In fact we negotiated very hard to keep CETA out of the programme for government. It was wasn't just that someone forgot to mention it.
Eamon,
You are literally in the photo of the launch of the civil-society coalition against CETA. I see no mention of CETA in the Programme for Government, so please tell me you have not agreed to ratify CETA tomorrow?
@EamonRyan
#PostponeTheCETAVote
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My constituency of Dublin Central is one of the most culturally diverse and ethnically rich places in the country. It's a lovely, lovely place to live. This is the racist, viscious crap people from those communities are getting in their door this week. 1/
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With the greatest respect to this member I have never heard his name, appointments are decided by the leaders not the core negotiating team. The Attorney General is an incredibly important role, as an active repeal campaigner this would not be an acceptable appointment to me.
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Cost Rental Housing explained in 60 seconds! It can seem confusing but here's a way to provide housing for everyone who needs it. It shouldn't be about private investment but quality of life. I could easily do 2 hours on this model of housing but...Twitter...
#WantGreenVoteGreen
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10,000 'new' homes are not promised in the programme for government. If the deal is good you should be able to portray it accurately and get people to vote for it on that basis. This kind of thing helps no one.
And that is what the
#GreenPFG
provides - an increase of over 50,000 in the social housing stock in Ireland.
10,000 new social homes every year represents a major increase on the 5,771 built last year.
#VoteGreenPFG
#PFG
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I'm publishing a bill on how we fund
#Greyhound
racing 11am tomorrow. Whatever side of the argument you're on, while the industry receives funding by default, it will continue to be entirely unaccountable and fairly chaotic. No other group is funded this way- time for change.
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Myself and office staff take time every week to review large scale planning submissions in my constituency and try to make observations on as many as possible. Even the ones I like. Are the materials right, will there be lots of noise in one block? Etc
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I know many people are concerned about the Cobblestone redevelopment but that the €20 fee may act as a barrier to giving your views. I'll be making an observation once docs are fully available and am happy to include your observations. We need to protect Dublin's cultural life.
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3. Department of Agriculture being stonewalled
4. CFO of 6 years took voluntary leave so did not appear
This is tax payers' money. I've called for a review of HRI funding in the past and that remains my position
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It goes without saying (I'll say it anyway)- the internal debates of other parties are not my business but.. I am pleading with people to remember that Deputy Wynne has just had a baby and is already subject to a lot of abuse as a female politician. Can we be respectful (kind).
NEW: Sinn Féin TD Violet-Anne Wynne resigns from party over ‘psychological warfare’
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Women and children are more likely to be pedestrians. When deciding how our urban areas are going to be into the future, how it's going to feel growing up in them, we must ensure we're hearing those who are often not in a position to lift up their voice....like some groups are.
Members of the Douglas Business Association held a meeting earlier today with Minister for Foreign Affairs & Minister for Defence
@simoncoveney
on the current Bus Connects Proposal for the area. 1/3
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The current fffg gov proposal is a naked power grab based on personal political ambition with no thought for the national crisis we face and lives being lost to
#Covid_19
If you think I would set aside my concerns for a plum job/ministry then I don't know what to tell you.
@greenparty_ie
@neasa_neasa
And consider this Neasa, you'd make a good minister.
Do you really want to see some hack from FF heading up the Department of the Environment ?
Greens can - and should get Trasnport, Energy, Environment.
WTF use is it letting the duopoly do more of nothing to 2025 ?
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I feel like we got away quite lightly here. Also hoping steak eaters will still vote green 😁
#GE2020
#WantGreenVoteGreen
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Doubling down on our international reputation as a tax haven is certainly an interesting way to live up to the Programme for Government commitment to 'engage' with the OECD tax process.
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This is what 'greenwashing' looks like.
Waste packaging needs to be addressed at source, the manufacturers and distributors, not simply made the responsibility of the individual.
Meanwhile this minister has blocked the
@greenparty_ie
Waste Reduction Bill for TWO YEARS😱 🤔😠
Over 200kg of waste packaging, 59kg of which is plastic is generated per person every years in Ireland - this is too high!
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This statement reads like a threat at the end. Very odd for a media company, I'm sure journalists hear all sorts and the job is to sort through info and verify before you publish. No?
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If you've ever wondered why extreme ethno-nationalists have been targeting Sinn Fein- it's to achieve success like this. Every aggressive approach on a canvas, every abusive tweet, and ultimately polling,has effectively moved them on this issue.
The Government’s Hate Speech legislation must be scrapped!
Government failed to take on board any of Sinn Féin's concerns and amendments about the Bill as it proceeded through the Oireachtas.
It's clear the Bill is not fit for purpose and it must be scrapped. -
@Donnchadhol
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We spent all yesterday taking down posters (that storm!). I'm now running a poster amnesty at €5 a pop. If you have one of my posters and their ties we'll come and collect, no questions asked. Even the most battered poster can be recycled or reused! neasa.hourigan
@gmail
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Special Needs Assistants are a lifeline for families like mine and they should be included in every discussion right now as
#Covid_19
is a lot to deal with for schools.
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I'm supporting the
#MakeItFree
campaign today. GP Senators will bring a motion to the Seanad calling for the Programme for Government commitment to roll out free access to contraception for 17-25 year olds. The first step towards universal access to contraception for all.
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Today we had the first of a set of exploratory talks, starting with Sinn Féin. Mostly overview, tomorrow we'll be getting into the nitty gritty policy debates. We'll meet other parties later in the week. (Not just me and
@pippa_hackett
btw! 😁😬)
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You can now get drugs tested for safety at festivals. I am very encouraged to see this trial start! It was something we put in the PfG and is a core initiative to move us away from a carceral drugs policy👏👏
@SenLynnRuane
@AodhanORiordain
@HollyCairnsTD
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"A nation of spoofers" - no punches pulled in a presentation by members of the Citizens’ Assembly on Biodiversity Loss.
The state/EU can't continue to take a "do as I say but not what I do" approach to biodiversity loss. (1/2)
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Street space is not an infinite resource. While our vehicles inexorably increase in size, our streets are becoming more cramped and far more dangerous. Forget the climate impact of SUVs for a moment- they are simply too large for the road.
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"There are more bankers on the board of the Land Development Agency than there are women".
It's
#InternationalWomensDay
on Monday.
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For the eleventy billionth time....high rise and high density are two pretty different concepts. The former is more often driven by profit margins than good planning.
#LivableCity
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This is perhaps the most strange aspect of the current debate (along with its non existence in the Programme for Government and the sudden scramble to ratify with no proper debate). CETA cannot have anything to do with or impact on post Brexit recovery. This is a nonsense. 1/
NEW: Four Green Party ministers at Cabinet have told their membership that ratifying the controversial EU-Canada trade deal is “politically important” with Brexit looming.
An email sent to Green members overnight confirms that deputy leader Catherine Martin now supports CETA
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"The white-water proposal seems aimed more at stag and hen tourism than at tackling the structural challenges of the area. It is likely to be privately run, have high maintenance and energy costs, and only be available to local people by invitation" 👏👏
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It was tense in court but the constitutional issues with
#ceta
have been largely upheld. The bravery of
@Costellop
in taking this case CANNOT be underestimated. Well done!
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"The OPW has a flood plan in place. Defences have been erected to protect homes and businesses."
Building defences and putting rivers in concrete tunnels won't solve this- we need to rewet bogs and replant trees.
#SustainableDrainage
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Yes! 👏👏👏
@streetsare4ppl
showed how workable this is (and we had a great time doing it). After yesterday's focus by DCC on reducing air pollution creating people-centred areas of the city is exactly the action we should be taking.
#AirPollution
This makes sense... Dublin City Council is to trial the pedestrianisation of South William Street and Drury Street later this year, according to today’s
@thetimesIE
. Details to be announced “soon”.
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I welcome the ‘Vacancy Dereliction and Regeneration Bill 2022’, launched today by
@stevensgreen1
. Homes that are vacant in for 180 days will be subject to a new 3% vacant home tax, collected by Revenue as part of the Local Property Tax and paid to the local authority.
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Very, very sorry to lose Saoirse from the party. She will remain an important and valued political voice in Ireland on climate justice and equality in whatever format she chooses I suspect. 👊
I don’t believe that our pathway to a just and free society lies in electoral politics.
I have seen how brilliant and brave people are bullied and silenced within parties that profess to be grounded in equality and democracy.
I’ve seen how much effort and energy gets taken up 4/
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