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Psychologist. Educator. Podcaster. @awakepod Engage in good faith. Back after unwarranted 4-year ban. RT=/=_____

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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 months
For those aware of my efforts to help people & improve society, please understand that my tone during discussions reflects the engagement style of the other person. It takes a "special" kind of person to *not* receive my typical demeanour/approach. With that in mind:
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The saddest fact is that the people in all of these videos who are acting in the most hateful, irrational, immature, ignorant, unintelligent, arrogant & fascistic manner — while accusing Chris/James/Peter of being the ignorant, bigoted, hateful fascists — are NOT anomalies.
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The man on the bike at @Portland_State who tried to disrupt our conversations all day, and intimidate women, can’t even tell us what it means for him to be trans. This is when he first arrived. He’s shaking all over. Doesn’t know a thing about puberty blockers. Can’t answer the
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7 years
I disagree w/ @benshapiro on many issues but tell my studnts to model themslvs aftr him for his intelligence, integrity, decorum, consistency
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Ben Shapiro goes to Congress and debunks intersectionality! Bravo @benshapiro
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6 years
For anyone who has read my extensive tweets and *still* inexplicably does not understand my concerns abt #Trans ideology and “activists”—which suggests you are unintelligent, ignorant and/or blinded by a hateful and/or self-serving ideology/agenda—let me draw some parallels 1/x
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6 years
Surgery was a success but I will write later. Extremely tired.
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6 years
I just sent a message to the @ONPsych listserv, asking for a civil and fact-based discussion on #Trans issues because I want psychologists to take a leading role in truly helping children in distress, rather than allowing ideology to dictate life-altering decisions.
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Dr. Oren Amitay
5 years
This magnificent beauty passed away yesterday. He was only 17. We bonded immediately the first time we met and he always grounded me during periods of turbulence. The world is a little less wonderful today...😥😥
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6 years
Put myself at great risk simply for calling for better/safer/more honest evidence-based practices to life-changing phenomena. How much clearer can I be? 13/13
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Dr. Oren Amitay
7 years
One more video for the @jordanbpeterson haters to watch to see that their impressions of him are so wrong @Joerogan
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
@Debbie_abrahams @Channel4News @cathynewman Thank you! I was waiting to see if anyone would try to spin the interview against @jordanbpeterson . It is very telling that you chose not to tag Dr. Peterson. Please re-watch the video without filtering/distorting it through your extremely biased lens as Ms. Newman tried to do.
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
This is probably my last tweet before going under…
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
I've been taking care of business before my open heart surgery tmrw. I am grateful for any prayers or positive vibes/wishes you may wish to send at 12pmEST. If any local ppl want to come see me, plz text and I'll let you know when to come. This may be my last message for a while.
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7 years
*Extreme* #Trans activists or others who blindly follow ideology, plz watch story of the mother of an #autistic child who suddenly proclaimed they were #transgender and was then pushed by a "professional" therapist to transition: @ONPsych
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
For those of you who have not seen @MLaidlawMD 's very important critique of the #Trans ideology/agenda promoting book/program, " #IamJazz ," please check this out: It should be required reading for all parents, therapists and educators.
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Dr. Oren Amitay
5 years
@drjedles @MLaidlawMD @4th_WaveNow @jonkay @MavenOfMayhem For what it's worth, I have shared your story with my colleagues in the @ONPsych (please see pic). I have been fighting for some "sanity" to combat the " #Trans madness" that continues to spread, but most of my colleagues are too afraid or (willfully) ignorant to do anything.
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7 years
I would never had been able to have such an incredible experience being able to share the stage with the two titans in the fight for #FreeSpeech & #CriticalThinking -- @GadSaad @jordanbpeterson --without the tireless/fearless work of Ms. Sarina Singh, aka @FreeAdvocate .
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Dr. Oren Amitay
7 years
@BevHillsAntifa I don't know if I've ever seen something that reaches such heights of hilarity, sadness and disgusting all at once.
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
and whenever we see something that could potentially cause harm, we are obliged to do something about it. I think my series of videos has made it abundantly clear that we need to question how #Trans “activists” have so quickly managed to cause such dramatic changes in the way 4/x
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6 years
@4th_WaveNow Put aside your biases, prejudices, wishes, fantasies or whatever else you need to put away and look at that number. How can *anyone* deny that this is a result of social contagion, when the number/percentage of such girls was far, far, far lower only a few years ago?
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6 years
discussion w/the aforementioned therapists, families & #Trans ppl who provide a very different narrative than what is presented by the “activists”? *That* is why I have spoken out on these issues: it is my ethical duty to do so, even though I derive no benefit and instead 12/x
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Dr. Oren Amitay
7 years
@KentIverson @jacobcrawfordYU @GadSaad @jordanbpeterson I will look into @__seetee 's other libelous comments against me tonight (plz see pix).
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6 years
kids? I believe they can. But I have yet to see one #Trans “activist” give an honest and helpful answer to the question of “How do we ensure that (virtually) no child be harmed by your recommendations, given that you are in fact pushing kids in a certain direction once you 8/x
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6 years
w/an open & honest mind—which excludes many psychologists, doctors, therapists, school officials, politicians & policy makers—has seen dishonesty/deception/misleading narratives from the relevant parties; these same parties have been entirely dishonest or at least disingenuous6/x
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
For those keeping score at home, I was released from hospital earlier today. Thank you to everyone for all your support this past week. I still need to take many meds and check my blood frequently due to the Warfarin (blood thinner) for the next few months at least, and they 1/x
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6 years
tell you something. You should also ask yourself why so many (mental) health “professionals” and other ppl charged w/ensuring kids’ wellbeing are oblivious to or desperately avoiding the realities of what I have stated here. Why are they so unwilling to have an *honest* 11/x
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6 years
‘affirm’ their cross-sex identity?” Seriously, have you ever seen one #Trans activist deal w/such a question honestly? They all claim that WPATH has certain protocols in place, but that claim falls apart when you speak with those who have actually gone through this process. 9/x
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
that might help explain: If I were an MD and I knew the sugar lobby was lying abt cholesterol, I would be exposing this far and wide. I would do the same if the APA was pushing conversion therapy for gays and I could show it is harmful to them (this was before my time but I 2/x
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
Bright moment of the week: As I was riding subway y-day, right after being told I must have open heart surgery this February, a young man came up to me asked if I taught at @RyersonU , then told me he appreciated what I was doing in my quest for #Truth online and everywhere else.
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Dr. Oren Amitay
5 years
A story I RTed the other day is getting wide coverage: . For all those who thought that @jordanbpeterson @LitigationGuy @GadSaad & others were exaggerating re. Bill C16, please watch. @joerogan @Timcast
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
Oy, @BrownUniversity , is there a *valid* reason you cowardly removed reference to @LisaLllittman 's seminal paper on #ROGD ? One more university crossed off the list for any of my children.
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
wrt (potential) harm being caused to kids/adolescents/families due to recklessly promoting agendas and ideologies that serve the egos and/or other personal, professional or social needs of #Trans “activists” & “allies.” Can some of their recommendations potentially help *some*7/x
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
we conceptualize and treat/work with (supposedly) #Trans or GNC issues in kids and adolescents; these issues manifest in many ways in the clinical field but also as they pertain to school, child welfare services and other such contexts. Anyone who has looked into these issues 5/x
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Dr. Oren Amitay
5 years
Has . @joerogan @benshapiro or @scrowder covered the story of this heroic #Trans athlete, @HannahMouncey ? Even more heroic are the sanctioning bodies that allow...or force...women to be subjected to such avoidable dangers.🙄🙄🙄
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do talk about such things in my classes). More recently, before the DSM-5 came out, I gave many MSM interviews highlighting the concerning process and some of the proposed (potentially) problematic disorders. The point is, psychologists have an ethical duty to serve society 3/x
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Dr. Oren Amitay
5 years
So, *this* just happened: . Anyone who played some role in causing this terrible *identity confusion* that now plagues millions of kids (i.e., not actual #Trans kids) needs to do some serious self-reflection. . @joerogan @benshapiro @scrowder @ONPsych @APA
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Dr. Oren Amitay
7 years
Wow. Longtime "friend" Prof. Rebecca Kukla defriended me after trying to discuss @ProfKellyOliver 's important piece:
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Dr. Oren Amitay
5 years
And the #Trans madness continues: “WOMEN who identify as male are not being offered vital routine breast screenings and cervical cancer checks in case it offends them. But men identifying as women will be invited for cervical smear tests..."
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
And when you raise these things w/ #Trans “activists/allies,” they all give it short shrift or outright deny it or do their infamous sleight of hand and focus on the kids who may benefit; again, they do so at the cost of many kids who are harmed by bad practices. That should 10/x
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
@BarbaraRKay She should have her license revoked.
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Dr. Oren Amitay
1 year
@atRachelGilmore I ask this in good faith: Can you acknowledge that "the left" has become extremely intolerant of anyone not in their "tribe(s)" -- and then project their intolerance onto others by e.g., claiming to be protecting marginalized ppl from "evil" forces such as "far-right extremists"?
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
Plz excuse this moment of indulgence. If you choose to read it, please do not complain or make assumptions abt my motives for writing the two attached documents. And, as I have said several times, thank you to everyone for your support; it means more than you can imagine.🙏🏻🙏🏻
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
Please tell me this is a parody...Please? If not, the next step will be to try to "shame" women for daring to continue to call it *breast* feeding.
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Baby books in 2018
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Dr. Oren Amitay
1 year
Kudos to . @BillboardChris . @peterboghossian . @realJamesKlug for producing this video Compare how they/everyone who agree w/their position comport themselves versus those who oppose them. Who do *you* think has the best argument and higher moral ground?
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
I hope everyone can attend this very important event on 07/18/18 re #BillC16 , organized by the same #FreeSpeech advocate who also organized Canada's largest free speech event on 11/11/17 w/. @jordanbpeterson . @GadSaad & me @FreeAdvocate @BarbaraRKay @NewWorldHominin @LitigationGuy
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Dr. Oren Amitay
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On this week's episode of @awakepod , we discuss Dilbert Creator . @ScottAdamsSays ' depiction of #DEI as "self-harm": . As always, we approach such issues through the lens of Critical Thinking, proactive perspectives and compassion/empathy.
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6 years
Final thought of night before I log off (lots of sex to teach in few hours): #MalignantNarcissists are infamous for deflecting, projecting & avoiding any responsibility for their own/words actions as they #gaslight their victims w/no compunction. Who else does that constantly?🤔
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
This is something I and others have been saying for a while, but @QuilletteM , as always, captures the sentiments so well:
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
. @jordanbpeterson does a great job of maintaining a civil tone & not allowing Philip Dodd to get away w/his multiple efforts to "bully" him, to cut him off, to distort his positions, to drag him away from his arguments, to succumb to Dodd's BS claims, etc
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Dr. Oren Amitay
1 year
@amrook @DaveOurPlanet You were provided the source(s). Are you going to acknowledge that?
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Dr. Oren Amitay
5 years
For those who wish to pretend there are no biological/genetic differences between the sexes, please ignore this: . @joerogan @GadSaad @DrDebraSoh @jordanbpeterson @BretWeinstein @HeatherEHeying @benshapiro @QuilletteM @clairlemon @AreoMagazine @HdxAcademy
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
Just finished my lecture from the hospital bed. It went pretty well! I was able to incorporate the views of some of the experts w/whom I’ve spoken re. #Kinsey . Bad news is that I am here until at least Monday because my heart is still acting up.
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Dr. Oren Amitay
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I am trying to get out as many videos as I can before I go in for open heart surgery on Monday at 8am. This is an appeal to the College of Physicians of Ontario @cpso_ca by the mother of a child w/Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD)://youtu.be/HbaCYgCC5-o. #Trans @ONPsych
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
@jrross614 @AlexpiersonAMP @AM900CHML @AM980News @am640 Yup. I made sure to mention that @kathleen_wynne and @justintrudeau have been complicit in helping to severely harm the psychological & physical wellbeing of so many children/adolescents/young adults. @JamesCantorPhD @BlanchardPhD @DrDebraSoh @barbararkay @ZUCKERKJ @GadSaad
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Dr. Oren Amitay
7 years
Really, @drewfoundland ? You write a scathing attack on @jordanbpeterson without actually challenging anything he has said, and expect a reference to @TabathaSouthey 's horribly immature dribble to suffice? Grow up. @VICE used to have value. What happened? (Rest of piece was okay.)
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Dr. Oren Amitay
7 years
@Ginella_M Did you ask @jordanbpeterson @GadSaad @FaithGoldy @FreeAdvocate (organizer of cancelled #FreeSpeech Talk) or me if we are fascists?
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
@RonaldDPotts1 @TriciaFrasman Yes, I've read this article several times. As with all such papers, it a) conflates DSD with being #Trans and b) it treats *anomalies* as "a spectrum." Also, nothing in the article compels me to believe that biological men can become "real women." If you want to say there may 1/x
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
@tarahaelle I am not anonymous & am not #Transphobic --and neither is @JamesCantorPhD . Plz read his cogent dismantling () of @AmerAcadPeds highly misleading policy statement you so vigorously defend while denigrating concerned parents
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Dr. Oren Amitay
5 years
I am back from my ban. Obviously, I can't check the 1000s of tweets posted in my absence. During that time, I had yet another issue w/ @ONPsych , including being lied abt, defamed & gaslit by a "colleague." Sadly, this person is part of a larger group of psychologists who are 1/
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
I am so glad . @jordanbpeterson stood his ground w/. @MichaelEDyson and differentiated between being "hurt" (or "anxious") and appalled: . This kind of repulsive sleight of hand/distortion of reality committed frequently by #SJWs /"the left" needs to stop.
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Dr. Oren Amitay
7 years
@benshapiro To be clear, I also agree w/ @benshapiro on *many* points & respect hell out of him for the way he handles himself & presents facts/arguments
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
S'aul good, man. And my nurse is a recent Ryerson grad 🙂
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Test of #CriticalThinking : Watch @scrowder 's very important interview w/one of the most misrepresented ppl on the planet, #TommyRobinson (sorry, @FaithGoldy & @Lauren_Southern ), and try to see the *real* man behind all of the lies: @NotGayJared
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Re @CBC / @CBCNews piece : a) parents should not be pressured in this way, b) Jen Beard doesn't mention *age* of new referrals, c) if they are teens, Dr. Lawson is being disingenuous b/c we *do* have an answer for spike: #ROGD /Rapid Onset #GenderDysphoria .
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Thank you once again @clairlemon @QuilletteM for pointing out even more embarrassments or affronts to #academia / #science such as @davidgraeber and anyone else making vexatious complaints/attacks against #NoahCarl : . @benshapiro @joerogan
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@AliciaMHendley @BanGendrUnicorn @pauldirks @BarbaraRKay @DrDebraSoh @jordanbpeterson @Defend_Reality A few things: 1) Even using terms like "cis kids" or "AFAB/AMAB" is part of the problem; as #GeorgeOrwell warned many years ago, it is manipulating language to control the public's thinking (e.g., ). 2) You're right, they do *not* give a rat's ass abt 1/x
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@pauldirks @BarbaraRKay @DrDebraSoh @jordanbpeterson *This* is the kind of "programming" over which I have repeatedly expressed concern. It is a poorly conceived and terribly executed "social experiment" designed to placate #Trans "activists." It is pathetic/disgusting that none of their "allies" has stopped to think abt the 1/x
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@tarahaelle @Dr_ScottK @WFKARS @JamesCantorPhD @AnneLawrenceMD @BlanchardPhD @profjmb @MLaidlawMD @ZUCKERKJ @DrDebraSoh @LisaMarchiano @BobWithers52 @cwknews @jamesfreespeech @AliceDreger their careers by speaking out) are all ignorant, hateful, transphobic, ideologues etc. If you can eliminate such motives/explanations, why do you think we are so persistent in trying to get the #Truth out, despite the great (potential) risks to our personal/professional lives?6/6
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Okay, I have to admit that I've had one of the most surreal days/nights ever. Because I work, teach, tweet, make videos & give media interviews re. many controversial issues, I've been attacked & mischaracterized by Nazis/White Supremacists/alt-right, SJWs/radical lefties, 1/x
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Okay, gotta go teach the first class of this term (Psychological Disorders). I get to engage with a whole new batch of students who are about to learn what *real* #CriticalThinking is.
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@NewWorldHominin Well, this fine list by @MarchaeGrair seems like a reasonable, effective and productive tool to help me deal with my genetically derived racism. I got the "bonus edition," which contains the 11th point: "Just kill yourself, White Devil."
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@KatyMontgomerie Or maybe . @CaolanRob had a moment of insight/clarity that led to a display of empathy & decency that is often absent from such exchanges. Of course, . @jk_rowling frequently evinces such qualities — as well as courage, logic & Truth. Perhaps you and others could learn something.
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
My request to any #Trans "activists" or "allies": Please find someone else to bother. I've done my time. I've explained everything. I've answered all questions. You have nothing to offer me other than the many negative things I have described many times. Do the right thing.
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@benshapiro Kudos to Ben for covering this @davidhogg111 story. What kind of a "narcissist" (n.a.d.) would try to get advertisers to boycott @IngrahamAngle for her "relatively mild" critique tweet. This speaks volumes about Hogg, "the left" and their ilk.
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6 years
Thank you. I may reach only a fraction of the people Dr. Peterson can reach, but like I say to my patients and students, if you have a positive impact on even only one person, you're doing pretty well.
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@docamitay @jordanbpeterson Your work is vital as well.
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@sanityandsafety @ONPsych Sadly, some of my *colleagues* would like to believe that my call for honest, open and fact/evidence-based discussion on such important matters is evidence of #Transphobia . Most such colleagues come from particular universities that seem driven by ideology & personal agendas.
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This is just one person's story: . Ask yourself what kind of person *ignores* such realities or refuses to acknowledge that the claim that such people comprise only 2-4% of the population is based on the bullying/intimidation committed by #Trans 1/x
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@davidgraeber @Pablo_Chihuahua @clairlemon @QuilletteM @benshapiro @joerogan @LSEnews @Yale I had never heard of you until this article but, personally, if I were in your situation I would be more concerned abt a) my original reported actions; and b) being associated w/the kind of (IMO) immoral/unethical/unprofessional/anti-science mobbing/bullying depicted in the piece
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@TriciaFrasman I hope everyone forwards this thread to anyone trying to use the article to “prove” that #sex exists on a spectrum. #Trans
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Retweet this far and wide. Hold these cowards at @Laurier accountable! How can we reach out to #LindsayShepherd ? @GadSaad @jordanbpeterson @FreeAdvocate
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Global News has released a audio recording from the meeting where grad student Lindsay Shepherd was verbally attacked by two Laurier profs and rep from the Diversity and Equity office. Shows how they really think. And it is insane! Retweet everywhere!!
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@BlanchardPhD @ZUCKERKJ @SchulichMedDent And *this* is how #Trans "activists" and their #RegressiveLeft "allies" prevent information that does not conform to the Trans ideology/mythology from being disseminated. Please distribute widely.
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@jordanbpeterson @Ira_Wells @RubinReport @jonkay In the spirit of academia: @Ira_Wells is a _____: A) coward B) hypocrite C) blowhard D) hater of charities E) all of the above
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@melvinvines @jordanbpeterson @GadSaad Because it's not politically correct. I tweeted previously that an ostensibly pro- #trans organization/conference withdrew invitation to 1/x
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
Thank you--sincerely--to everyone for sending your positive thoughts/wishes/prayers. I just found out surgery has changed to 8am on Monday, so not so bad; just means I need to recover more quickly. Now I'm almost guaranteed to be teaching my next Sex class from a hospital bed.
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
For those keeping score at home, I was able to see 7 patients in a row today for the first time; this would normally be a light day for me but, sadly, it does take its toll as I recover. And my brain is still not up to being able to write my Court reports. 😒😒😒
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
Okay, I have to devote the rest of my night to family. I have tried to respond to everyone's supportive tweets to express my gratitude; such an outpouring of positivity means more than you can know. If I do not respond from now, please understand why. In addition to the looong1/x
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Dr. Oren Amitay
6 years
@GCMamma @Nosci_fi @BrownUniversity @LisaLllittman @BarbaraRKay For what it's worth, Professor J Michael Bailey is organizing a letter of protest that is being signed by some of the biggest names in the field, some of whom are writing to the Dean on their own. Also, plz see this counter to @JuliaSerano :
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Dr. Oren Amitay
7 years
Several major strokes, a few heart attacks, a totally disintegrated spine & many life-saving surgeries can't stop a true artist--my dad 1/2.
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Dr. Oren Amitay
7 years
@djmedici @benshapiro It's sad that you have to be so petty, immature & negative abt 1 person's praising of another person's admirable conduct. This is (1/x)
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Dr. Oren Amitay
7 years
Apparently @GadSaad & @TherynMeyer were not able to compel them w/their reasonable, cogent & passionate arguments.
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Dr Jordan B Peterson
7 years
Bill C16 sailed through the Senate today without a comment or amendment. Canadians beware. Freedom of speech has been compromised.
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