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In the 1980s, something happened and obesity suddenly began to spike in the United States. But what caused the spike?
Here is why it's...
- Not the sugar
- Not the PUFAs
- Not the nnEMFs
- Not the calories
THREAD 🧵
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Adding butter to rice makes it 2000% more digestible according to a recent experiment I did where I added butter to rice and it was yummy
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I may be 20 years old, but with my anti-aging stack, I've rewired my mitochondria to turn back the biological clock...
* Extreme bowel control (top 99% of 3 year olds)
* Ability to raise my hand in class (top 99% of 6 year olds)
* Verbal fluidity (top 90% of 5 year olds)
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So many supplement threads on Twitter only include positives of the supplement which I find not super useful. Here is a thread of negatives/contraindications for common supplements. 🧵
(Inclusion of a supplement does not mean I think it is always bad)
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Thread of bad reactions to iodine supplements, people who have taken years to recover from iodine supplementation, and those who have never recovered:
(this is just what I could find in ~10 minutes and only on the Ray Peat Forum, there are way more)
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The !Kung San eat ~40% of their calories from mongongo nuts, which are ~60% PUFA, yet they are very lean (BMI ~19) and have good cardiovascular health. I don't think PUFAs, broadly, are behind the obesity epidemic.
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When Vogue asked Sydney Sweeney about her nutrition, she had this to say:
"I always shoot for a 4:3 ratio of polyunsaturated to saturated fatty acids. It's so important to balance PPAR-α activity and TLR4 activation. That's how you keep SCD1 low. It's just common sense."
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SUGAR:
1. The timelines don't line up. Sugar consumption has declined for the last 25 years while obesity has increased.
2. Fruit consumption is negatively associated with obesity. Sweets and deserts are slightly associated with obesity... But not as much as butter and red meat
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4. Vietnam, in contrast, has notably low obesity with ~15% overweight, despite having cellphones, electricity, and a sedetary lifestyle with people averaging only ~3,600 steps/day ()
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Theory: deep frying seed oils caused the obesity spike in the 1980s
THREAD 🧵
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3. It is (primarily) the food making people obese. Nauru is the 2nd most obese country with >94% of the population overweight. Notably they import almost all of their food as it can no longer be grown on the island where they live.
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I'll end it there for now. Stay posted for theories on what really is causing obesity. Thanks for reading!
Shoutout to
@mold_time
and their blog which I stole some points (and a couple graphs) from. Checkout their series of articles here:
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Is the polyunsaturated : saturated heart disease meme just a poor proxy for copper : iron? 🧵
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It's not an identical photo as you can tell from the lighting on the eyebrows, for example. I am not sure how much bearing that has on if it's real tho
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PUFA:
1. The timelines are so-so. Seed oil consumption spiked before obesity, in the 40s.
2. Nut consumption is negatively associated with obesity. Even more so than fruit, actually! ()
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3. Fruitarians, the Hadza, and participants in Walter Kempner's rice diet all exemplify the lean physique that can result from a high sugar diet.
4. In a controlled study, a 25% sugar diet led to more fat less than a 2% sugar ketogenic diet of equal calories
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Based faustian Peater. Also, you might not want to spam too much Aspirin lol
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So I accidently just took a really large scoop of calcium carbonate thinking it was creatine. Might have been like 25 grams of calcium. Suggestions? Am I gonna die?
I am thinking I'll take some k2 maybe. Anything else?
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5. The food most associated with obesity (by a longshot) in the United States is French fries. Are we really supposed to believe French fries taste that much better than they did before 1980? ()
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Peaters be like: "Thank God I bleed every month so that I can release excess iron stored in my tissues 😊🤗" and it's just their monthly nosebleed from taking too much aspirin
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Peat: "Possibly the most toxic component of our environment is the way the society has been designed, to eliminate meaningful choices for most people."
It makes sense that the brain only acts creatively in reference to a decision if future outcomes are dependent on that decision
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4. History is rife with pre-1980 examples of high caloric consumption not leading to obesity. See
@Outdoctrination
's video on the topic:
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3. In 1939 a wealthy New York man was expected to eat 4,400 calories per day and weight 154 pounds. In Pacific cities the wealthy averaged 5,100 calories. ().
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2. In the Vermont prison experiment, prisoners were overfeed a diet of ~10,000 calories/day for 3 months. They gained weight, but returned to their normal weight within 10 weeks of the experiment without any additional effort. It is very hard for a healthy person to keep on
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3. LA Veterans, the Minnesota Coronary Experiment, Sydney Diet-Heart, and Oslo Diet-Heart are all long term RCTs that replaced saturated fats with PUFAs. None of these trials showed an increase in body weight/BMI in the PUFA condition. Read
@mold_time
's analysis below.
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5. Suzzanne Alexander has visited many tribes around Tanzania and the Pacific Islands. In her visit to Samoa she notes the abdominal obesity she saw in spite of the area being completely free of EMF (which she comments improved her sleep)
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4. In mice, a 7% fat diet with coconut oil is more obesogenic than a 7% fat diet with soybean oil.
(The full effects of PUFA/SFA are more complicated. I discuss my thoughts in other places.)
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nnEMF:
1. The timelines don't line up. Cell phone usage really ramped up moreso in the 90s after obesity. Wifi in the 2000s. Power lines way earlier from the 1880s-1940s.
2. People in nnEMF-free environments do not appear free from obesity. (See picture below from an
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Vitamin E helps to regrow lost hair.
"the tocotrienol supplementation group showed a gradual mean increase in hair numbers from baseline up to the 8th month interval with a mean percentage increase of more than 34%"
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OK controversial thread time...
Here, I will propose that having a balanced, 1:1, ratio of SFA:PUFA is actually optimal for the metabolic rate
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CALORIES:
0. When we are talking calories, we are really talking about palatability and convenience. We are saying all of the sudden food became more palatable/convenient -> overeating -> obesity.
1. In mice, palatability does not increase food consumption
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10 HEALTH BENEFITS OF BLUEBERRIES:
1. Improved memory
2. Lower cholesterol
3. Lower blood pressure
4. Healthy DNA
5. Better eyesight
6. Immunity to blue balls
7. ESP
8. Pineapples willingly die for you
9. Blueberries do your bidding
10. Ability to levitate 1 inch off the ground
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Anti vitamin D people: "Yeah so 'vitamin' D is actually a hormone not a vitamin so you really shouldn't be supplementing it"
Peaters: 👀
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Average potassium intake for an American: ~2,500mg
RDA for potassium: ~4,000 mg
How much potassium hunter gatherers ate: ~15,000mg
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The RDI for potassium - once 4.1g daily, has been lowered (to help humans hit levels?) to 2.1 for females and 3.1 for males.
Foods thought to be “high” in potassium often sit around 500mg for a serve - meaning, if you do the maths, to hit levels for potassium isn’t an easy
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I need more protein discourse. Peaters, thoughts on high versus low (total) protein? To get things rolling... Higher protein seems to be beneficial for body composition and liver health. Lower protein seems to increase the metabolic rate and decrease serotonin. Is it situational?
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I have a theory that there is an epidemic of vitamin A deficiency that has everything to do with fatty liver/reductive stress and little to do with vitamin A intake. (Mini 🧵)
Fatty liver is really common now like maybe 1/3 of American adults or maybe even more...
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ZINC:
1. Can cause oxidative stress to the stomach and induce pain/nasuea/etc. Some say zinc carnosine is better tolerated. Eating with food may help
2. Stongly depletes/antagonizes copper. Can be difficult to recover from.
3. Contaminated with cadmium:
If you want to supplement with Zinc, it might be good to use the gluconate form as opposed to citrate, oxide and especially sulfate.
Beware sulfate/chelate/citrate/picolinate forms.
Gluconate was consistently lowest in the toxic metal.
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Tried Naltrexone for 3 days, 1.5mg/day
Positives:
- Increased energy
- Improved mood
- Seemingly increased digestive movement
Negatives:
- Insomnia (even taking it in the morning, also lasted the next day after I stopped)
- Obsessiveness (this is probably ADHD related)
Naltrexone just arrived! Pretty excited to try it out.
Thanks to
@anabology
for posting about it
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Was debating doing a little thread on this so I will do one now...
Notes on the Progesterone & Homosexuality Connection 🧵
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Thanks for reading! Drop a like for part 2 and tell me what I should include in it :)
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I always expect to lose followers when I post something controversial, but instead I always gain followers. Peaters are actually generally openminded despite claims of cult-like following
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@Photo2Electric
Ray Peat is never wrong. Sometimes the world glitches and accidently does something different than what Ray said
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Other recources:
A&O video on sugar:
Kiana Docherty on Nauru:
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"We really find that cooking more meals at home is one of the healthiest things"
"Why's that?"
"Processed foods have a lot of sugar... and uh... fat so... they're highly palatable... something, something flavour chemicals. A bag of Doritos is literally designed to be addictive"
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METHYLENE BLUE
1. May harm energy production in healthy individuals. See:
2. May cause serotonin excess via MAOI inhibition
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Naltrexone just arrived! Pretty excited to try it out.
Thanks to
@anabology
for posting about it
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Ik this was from forever ago, but I looked up the carrot salad (inspired by
@mexicanbrah
's recent salad) to see how people were doing it and the first thing I saw was a girl adding sesame oil 😂
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@ReposeGuru
I honestly don't know for sure. I feel like more people should be working on it!
One guess is that the spike is primarily caused by deep-fryed seed oils, in particular, in things like potato chips and fries.
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So before people used to eat low iron diets, no iron fortification, and used bloodletting to treat disease.
Now, we have high iron diets, intense iron fortification, done away with bloodletting, and supposedly everyone is iron-deficient? 🤔
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Yes, exactly. Linoleic acid is the timber. MUFA (and other PPAR-a activators) is the spark. SFA is an extinguisher.
What y'all are not ready for...
SFA is also a grenade (TLR4). PUFA deactivates the SFA grenade.
Extinguish the fire with SFA. Deactivate the grenade with PUFA.
Right. This is my point. The beef tallow and the safflower oil mice are about the same fat (in the study you posted). Which is weird if “linoleic acid causes obesity”.
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ASHWAGANDA:
1. Many report anhedonia and sexual dysfunction which does not go away after stopping
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THIAMINE:
1. Can create a strong cholinergic reaction resulting in hopelessness, depression, fatigue, and feeling cold. If you get this, I would not assume it's a paradoxical reaction and that you actually need more.
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Me when I forget to thaw my meat that's in the freezer: "Today is a methionine depletion day"
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Mainstream people talking about soy:
"Where are the stoodies?"
"I only care about outcome data"
"Stop creating fear around food"
Mainstream people talking about hyper-palatable food:
"I feel like this is the biggest thing causing obesity"
"Yeah true"
*cites 0 studies*
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Apparently, observationally, 40 minutes/week is the optimal time for muscle-strengthening workouts in the context of longevity
@ToadUnderHeaven
What matters most IMO is mentzer’s “the least amount necessary to stimulate growth is optimal” which aligns him with Peat’s ideas of stress
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My diet has a heavy focus on plants because, being lower on the food chain, they don't bioaccumulate as many toxins. I also include a lot of animal products because, being higher on the food chain, they act as a biological filter for toxins. Few understand
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It's a shame that Masterjohn is a bit grumpy nowadays because he is so smart. I found him to be more chipper in his old videos. Just goes to show even geniuses struggle to find the right ratio of b vitamins
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Make sure your pills have all been blessed by an ordained doctor before consumption
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IODINE:
1. Increases hydrogen peroxide in the thyroid gland, potentially damaging the thyroid, causing Hashimoto's, and harming one's health long-term. See:
2. For some people iodine can also decrease thyroid production via the Wolff-Chaikoff effect
Thread of bad reactions to iodine supplements, people who have taken years to recover from iodine supplementation, and those who have never recovered:
(this is just what I could find in ~10 minutes and only on the Ray Peat Forum, there are way more)
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Sugar is INFLAMMATORY. Make sure to include some each day to stimulate ~hormesis~
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Here is my stab at “the best diet” from what ik rn
1. Cut out anything that digests poorly/causes a bad reaction
2. Cut out (or be extremely skeptical of) all processed food
3. Hit basic nutrient requirements. Supplements generally work besides the metals (Cu, Zn, Fe, etc.)
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Legend has it that chewing gum infused with calcium and vitamin 3 allows one to regrow lost wisdom teeth...
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VITAMIN A:
1. Huh... Can't think of anything negative to say about this one...
2. Jk, can harm the liver in excess (25,000 IU/day or more may constitute excess for sensitive people)
3. Beta-carotene supplementation increases the risk of certain cancers
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CALCIUM:
1. Calcium supplements may increase the risk of heart disease (.) Taking calcium mixed into a meal or in smaller/more spread out doses may help. K2 may help
2. Calcium carbonate can have an acute alkalinizing effect on the stomach
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- Falls down the alt-right, dark web, alternative health rabbit hole
- Engages in drinking calming soups and broths
Ah yes magnesium and soup, the sketchy supplements from a dark web forum
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Peating, but Chakra-flavored and you take thyroid to activate your throat chakra and entice the kundalini upward
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Yeah fluoride is bad. But give me the choice between taking a bunch of iodine and a bunch of fluoride and I'll be looking at you like this, cuz I'm taking the fluoride every time.
Thread of bad reactions to iodine supplements, people who have taken years to recover from iodine supplementation, and those who have never recovered:
(this is just what I could find in ~10 minutes and only on the Ray Peat Forum, there are way more)
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BLACK SEED OIL:
1. Anecdotally many, including myself, get negative mental effects from black seed oil. See: . Personally, my effects seemed more cholinergic
I messed around with black seed nigella sativa a few years ago and yes it is very serotonergic
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@6figsinvestor
Yeah there are probably multiple factors at play.
I still think the current explanatory model is lacking enough that it's safe to say there are important causal variables not yet identified
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Worth noting that if we blame the wrong thing for the obesity/chronic disease epidemic we are letting the real culprit run free!
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People who get mad when you don't call them "dr." are worse than the people who get mad when you assume their pronouns
Joseph
@mercola
apologizes for badmouthing Progest-E:
“I am apologizing for my mistake…I would appreciate any input on how to repair the damage I caused”
Then gets enraged when someone called him “Mr.” and not “Dr.” Mercola:
“Ray would not be pleased with your behavior”
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NIACINAMIDE:
1. Can deplete methyl groups (this is not good even if you are overmethylating. You want to use glycine to regulate excess methyl groups)
2. Can cause inflammation in excess
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I tried black seed oil and became very depressed (cholinergic). Same reaction I get from too much thiamine, choline, magnesium, ect. I doubt my reaction generalizes, so I don't really have much of an opinion on it
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Been folate-maxxing lately. Folate gives me irritability, restless legs, anxiety, insomnia, and sometimes depression. In spite of this, it has significantly reduced my acne.
Will be investigating further
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I think right wing people often misunderstand ego death. If you feel confident, powerful, and expansive then you are closer to ego death. Ego death is just the dissolution of the barrier between you and the world (or you and the other)
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IRON:
1. Can cause oxidative stress to the stomach
2. Excess iron can build up in the body causing damage. It start in the liver and eventually can spill into the other organs. Excess iron is common so one should be careful supplementing more
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I used to be so good at externalizing all my issues and then I stopped. I blame society. Bring back blaming other people for no reason
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@Outdoctrination
Vitamin E has given me the most noticeable dopaminergic effect of maybe anything. From what I have seen the tocotrienol form is the most potent tho
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I find vitamin E warming/energizing. My midday temp is usually ~98.2, but measured 99 with vitamin E. This is consistent with how I feel as well
I stopped taking Vitamin E for a few days and my hands have started to feel cold again. Guess I got a lot more PUFA running round me than I thought.
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I am just like that
So I accidently just took a really large scoop of calcium carbonate thinking it was creatine. Might have been like 25 grams of calcium. Suggestions? Am I gonna die?
I am thinking I'll take some k2 maybe. Anything else?
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Easy test to figure out what serotonin really feels like:
Eat a big meal of only starch (like rice) with no fat or protein. The high insulin response causes the body to soak up proteins that compete with tryptophan, allowing it to convert to serotonin.
(it feels bad)
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Would not have predicted this. The more I read people's experience the more I see that everything I know about nutrition only has like 75% applicability, at most
Weird how I struggled with morning water retention the most on low carb diets. After switching to high carb (about 60% of my caloric intake), the dreaded moon face went away.
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Here are some thoughts on practical ideas for weight loss...
Potentially effective "root cause" solutions:
- Cut deep fried oils
- Cut or reduced processed foods
- Increase nutrient density of the diet and address personal nutrient weakpoints
- Remove foods from your diet that
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free speech but only if you're less than 30 or you have a TSH below 2
free speech but only if you're married with children and at least 35 years old
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Quantom health people be like "this is a 2D view of health. You're missing context" and the context is always that they want you to go outside
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Following the BCAA restriction thing, but my guess is it's gonna be a tool in the toolbox not a very "root cause" solution-y thing
Also my impression is that somewhat increasing the amount of protein from collagen is basically an all round plus whereas this is more of a tradeoff
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@BreatheLesss
@JoshLekach
I think it makes sense you wanna watch something relatable. Like is it weird that after spending your whole life as a human you wanna watch a show about humans? I don't think so.
Also it's really just a funny show set in an office
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@SimmonsBart
Thanks! I think that is a good rule of thumb. You can't go wrong avoiding processed food. Takes a lot of potential issues off the table.
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Manics and Schizophrenics have 7.5x and 6x the urinary DMT of normies
Also, patients with liver disease whose mental states were normal excreted amounts of DMT similar to those of patients with schizophrenia
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