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@SimsimMaturidi
Idk bro. Consider someone who was trying to start praying, going from not praying at all to making 2-3 out of the 5. Isn’t their attempt, though still short of the obligation, a good thing? We wouldn’t shame someone’s “prayer journey” like that. Is there anything different here?
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I studied CS, so I won't come off like a salty philosopher when I say this: it's overwhelmingly the opposite.
@eyeslasho
Guarantee a computer science major would be able to fully understand philosophy with no issue but no philosophy major would be able to understand computer science
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The arrogance of John Gray here is hilarious. Ironically, people raised irreligious usually have never actually examined any arguments themselves, they just assume their falsity.
In reality, it’s the secular, liberal worldview which is extremely vulnerable to rational criticism
"One reason for Islamists’ rage is their awareness of the extreme vulnerability of Islam to rational criticism...Islamists are aware of what happened to Christianity once the intellectual nitpickers got going; they think that prevention is the only cure."
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Characteristic of the "secular humanism" this guy espouses is that it is selective in what it cares about, and where it draws its moral lines. Curiously, it always tends to prioritize wherever the humanist hero is from -- in this case, Israel. Enough with the victim complex
Dear Ramon Harvey,
@RamonIHarvey
Thank you for including my presentation titled “Using Biographical Data in Isnād-cum-matn Analysis” in the preliminary program for your upcoming international conference “Isnād-cum-Matn Analysis (ICMA) as a Method in Contemporary Hadith Studies”
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@allaamiyah
@SimsimMaturidi
Neither should exist but that’s an ideal, in reality all Muslims fall short. Do we push people away by shame, rather than encourage peoples attempts to get closer to the deen? If you mean the publicizing and turning it into a social media aesthetic, then I agree
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What I find baffling is the sheer number of otherwise intelligent, educated people that can’t understand philosophical arguments (even in principle); only empirical, ‘scientific’ ones. It points to a serious pedagogical issue/educational gap (post 1960?), and it should concern us
@Philip_Goff
So... after we spent decades painstakingly explain creationists that the "God of the Gap" arguments are bad epistemology, 'philosopher guy' casually drops a "Consciousness of the Gap" argument. Solid.
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This is where I think the Western philosophical tradition loses me, and likely a lot of other people. The distaste for classical foundationalism epistemology under the guise of “fallibilism” entails you have to doubt anything and everything, even your own existence or logic
It's unhinged dogmatism to be 99.9999 sure of anything. Discuss.
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A lot of arguments 'against' Islam in the PoR community are genuinely just unabashed orientalism. It's the same 1400-year-old recycled points, that Islam is violent, culturally-poor/inferior, savage, etc. and it's disappointing how biased and ignorant some "free-thinkers" are.
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Muslims working for Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, talking about "Free Palestine" and "Stop the Genocide"... where do you think those weapons + F16s you work on go?
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Ethics has gotta be the most empty field of philosophy. Based on raw intuition (and at that, Western 21st-century intuitions), which leads to intractable disagreement, q-begging arguments like "moral progress", etc. Just a disaster
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Defenders of atheistic moral realism really be out here telling us we can know non-natural moral facts through our natural minds that were produced through evolution. Wild!
Defenders of the Kalam really be out here telling us we can know the universe is finite rather than infinite from our armchairs. Wild!
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Chomsky points out this phenomena — many scientists remain involved in their own technical problems, and end up missing the big picture of what it is they’re actually doing
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“It’s impossible to be a man and not bow down to something; … if he rejects God, then he bows down to an idol—fashioned of wood, or of gold, or of thought.”
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Interesting that he’s got the 12-year-old-on-Reddit “I just discovered criticism of religion” thing going perfectly
@abduallah_amin
@IanCook321
Immortality is a childish dream, and likely VERY undesirable. The short stories of Jorge Luis Borges explore this well. Read his storiy, "The Immortal," for example.
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@provingislam
You should stop speaking on things you don't know about. This is a kind of arrogance, that reading a page makes one an expert. Stick to what you know and leave the rest to other people, if for no other reason than it might come back to you on the Day of Judgement
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If you don't believe me, take your favorite tech bro and try to talk philosophy with them. You’ll see the difference. We can observe the same thing with physicists (even famous ones), who are highly intelligent people but sound ridiculous when they try to do philosophy
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Imaginary lines drawn by colonizers have really divided us up, made us weak and selfish, to care only about what occurs within those stupid borders
الوطن صنم يُعبد من دون الله
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Nothing illustrates the central importance of *good* philosophy (and the consequences of not having it) for society than postmodern metaphysics. Overall, it represents a rejection of grand narratives of 'Truth' and objectivity, tending towards relativism & personal subjectivity.
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@matteoianni
@ChombaBupe
Are you joking? What’s the obsession with dragging down biological capacities, just so we can claim programs can do it too? It’s this years version of “humans are just stochastic parrots too”
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Philosophy of mind bringing back the kalam method of dealing with sophistry
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This is really the response of an educated person, a professor - “are you simply prepared to blow something up?”
Seriously? That’s genuinely something you’d expect to hear from some Islamophobe.
حسبنا الله ونعم الوكيل
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Also, to me it's more evidence that intelligence comes in different 'types'.
Talented CS people will generally also be very good at math, logic and so on. But whatever capacity that's utilized in philosophical reasoning seems partially or maybe completely distinct.
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I believed in natural causality until I saw my dawg 🐕 turn into a snake 🐍🤦🏻♂️💯
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“Thank you, dear God ... At least you’ve struck no one but me.”
Having a certain kind of gratitude in the face of disaster is undervalued, but important
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The real wave is when you all realize Akbarianism is overrated and problematic and we can finally start real reconstructive work.
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I guarantee not a single story will be shared by these people of the thousands of deeply traumatized Palestinian children, who were buried in rubble, lost limbs, and had their families wiped out
Shocking what this child hostage has gone through with Hamas…..
Now when she eats, she first offers those around her to eat first 😭
This is a known affliction: PTAHD - Post Traumatic Arab Hospitality Disorder 😔
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You can expect this from low-level apologetics (I guess), but for all the supposedly sophisticated and 'open-minded' atheists involved in PoR discussions, it's just an unwillingness to look past dead stereotypes and engage with Muslims (not ignorant laypeople) in an honest way
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That's crazy, imagine your theory is so bad that over 100+ people in your field sign a document calling it pseudoscience
A letter signed by a significant number of researchers claim information theory about consciousness as pseudoscience
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Atheism —> agnosticism —> theism
Determinism —> free will
Anti realism (strong) —> lean to realism
Reductive physicalism —> dualism
True AI possible —> AI skepticism
I think much of this was due to my confused philosophical views/scientism getting cleared up
Apologies in advance if I'm duplicating someone else's idea for a Twitter philosophy thread. Name an example of a philosophical topic about which you've changed your opinion.
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Do y’all not hear yourselves when you say things like this?
One reason why Ibn Arabi is often misunderstood is the misconception that he was a philosopher, leading to the expectation of rational reasoning.
According to Ibn Arabi, his beliefs are not necessarily illogical but they cannot be achieved through logical thinking.
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"Supporting these “resistance fighters” and their holy war is immoral."
Alright bro. We'll def listen to your very wise moral intuitions and judgments. The situation in reality is definitely not different than your caricature of it, and we should all accept it unquestioningly.
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Had any of these intellectuals examined arguments themselves (instead of blindly following their societys “reason came in and destroyed religion” narrative), they would have found the people who subjected their religion to rational examination/defense the most were *theologians*.
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A lot of coping going on in the QTs. You gotta realize you can’t just migrate to the West and expect to find some atheistic paradise; Islam is everywhere. Inshallah your kids growing up in Canada will go on to find Islam
توی کتابخونه دانشگاه تورنتو داشتیم کارامونو میکردیم یکی درس میخوند یکی میتینگ بود یهو یکسری دوستان عرب اومدن گوشه کتابخونه شروع کردن نماز جماعت خوندن.حالا مشکلش چیه؟اینکه اونطرف کتابخونه نمازخونه بود وخالیم بود.اینکارا یعنی چی؟یعنی کصونهواویلا بازی و جنده توجهبازی.غیر اینه؟
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and that's not to say CS is easy, either. Especially if there's heavy math, it can be very cognitively demanding. But it's just a different type of cognitive demand than what philosophy requires
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@hadithworks
Mostly regarding your unashamed support for carpet-bombing civilians*
At least be honest. It's far beyond anyone "defending" anything. How many more children have to die before Israel is satisfied, Mr. Humanist?
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MT and white nationalist crossover was not one I was expecting, but it’s dangerous. These are not the ‘allies’ you want. Those people don’t like us like you think they do. They don’t like us anymore than they like the group they’re focused on right now, lol.
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This is what we strive for Islamically: a society that is “vertically” guided, concerned with our fate either upwards in Heaven or downwards to Hell; not “horizontally” as it currently is, where the concern is solely for relentless ‘progress’ (even if it leads to our destruction)
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Weak contemporary analytic: “idk if I *really* exist, actually, I could be wrong”
Classical foundationalist: “I know my existence, logic, and all these other things with absolute certainty. Beat this guy for irrationality”
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@mfpears
This reductive functionalism is a severely incomplete view of the mind. But if you want to force it, you can make anything fit 🤷🏻♂️
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Watching professional philosophers freak out over this book is pretty amusing. It’s not even like Yale published some hagiography; it’s a collection of historical supernatural reports, and the author tries to make sense of epistemically (not even limited to Christianity either)
Yale University Press has published a 492 page book apparently
defending the claim that Christian saints actually ‘flew’ or levitated
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Godless society
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It's important not to be intellectually lazy and just recycle Catholic critiques of the Enlightenment and modernity by substituting in Islamic terminology. We have our own tradition and thus our own criticisms of modernity; we need to do the necessary work from our perspective
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Not trying to be rude, but why do so many people act like this on the internet? They involve themselves in polemics or something controversial, and then act naive and play the victim, acting like they're being crucified when anons show up and start attacking them
Standing for judgment before all the Twitter Anons with my name and occupation open for all to see.
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Unfortunately enough, he was right. It's clear that the post-religious world we live in has really one moral law: Rule to Power. The Big Boys decide the rules, and that becomes the moral Good. Obey & you get anything your heart desires. But go against them? That is the 'Evil' now
I’m all for “Nietzsche is not a nazi” readings, but turning Nietzsche into some kind of philosopher of self-improvement has been a disaster for the human race.
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Gaza should fundamentally change us all and how we view the world
Even if the war ended tomorrow there is an ocean of grief that is going to be washing over over 2 million Muslims for a very long time, homes & lives & limbs & babies & lineages gone. If what we saw doesn't shake you or make you somber in your day to day life check your heart.
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What's wild about some Israeli discourse now is - I've seen multiple people, after long debate, concede that the Nakba happened, the forced displacement, everything. But now they say "So what? You don't see Native Americans attacking to get their land back, do you? Move on!"
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And no, pointing to the collapse of Euclidean geometry or quantum physics being “counterintuitive” is really not enough to justify such irrational fallibilism. It borders on paranoia or dogma of its own (“no, you can’t know anything!”) rather than reasonable epistemic humility.
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Tech bro tries to do phil of mind
i'm in a bad mood today. do you know why i'm in a bad mood? because there are people out there right now that think that computers cannot experience qualia like humans do
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All of them useless
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This shouldn’t even be conceded tbh. Neural networks don’t “understand” language, they merely parrot it via statistics/predictions. And that’s not because of a scale or complexity issue, it’s in principle: because NNs only ever represent syntax and can’t “get”the semantic content
@ylecun
Weak argument. Yes, language evolved to be produced and understood by neural networks.
But biological neural nets are vastly more complex than artificial neural nets; & only syntax (not semantics) is well-captured by ANNs.
Brain has
👉far more cell types
👉far more structure
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@TobiasHuch
@asbrock_a
@JuedischeOnline
you’re a criminal, and your claim to “human rights” is a farce
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Why were the boomers so mad here?
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“The darker the night, the brighter the stars; the deeper the grief, the closer is God!”
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Here you can see how capitalism of the sort we have can only emerge in a deeply unethical society.
- record profits while people can't pay their energy bills
- the corps. who do the most damage to the climate can choose to "opt-out" of responsibility, because money = authority
BP profits rise to £23bn, adding fuel to calls for toughened windfall tax
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From the WSJ values poll. All values declined except, interestingly enough, money. A society disconnected from any foundation inevitably tends towards nihilism and hedonism
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I'm tired of this Godless society
Q: You posted an article indicating that sexual intercourse with animals is morally permissible. You've also in the past published a book arguing for veganism.
That being the case, is it your official position that eating animals is not okay but having sex with them is?
A: I
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How many times has this guy made a variant of the same argument
The Basic Argument from Physical Minds
(A) If all known minds are physical entities, then metaphysical naturalism has a higher likelihood than theism.
(B) All known minds are physical entities.
Therefore,
(C) Metaphysical naturalism has a higher likelihood than theism.
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Praise be to God, the First and the Last, the Manifest and the Hidden
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What’s interesting is that a surprising number of people (but of course not everyone) in secular, Western societies seem to agree something is wrong with modern-day sexual ethics.
The question though is what they think should, or even could, be done about it
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Brief thoughts, nationalism and its relationship to religion:
Hegel, in this passage, expresses Germanic nationalist concerns in some sense against Christianity, as a 'foreign' religion that "felled Valhalla", uprooting and banishing the previous Norse traditions as heathenism
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What is the culture that some Westerners speak of & lament the loss of? "Christendom"? Is it pre-modern Christian Europe they want? They already did away with that *themselves* during the Enlightenment and afterwards. Isn't it what you wanted? Secularism came from Europe.
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Almost every fitnah you see in the Muslim world today has the UAE’s accursed tendrils somewhere in it.
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The term “information” does a lot of heavy lifting, especially in neuroscience/cog sci/phil of mind
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What is meant by modernism here? I feel like there's an equivocation going on, sometimes it seems to just mean "accept science/empirical knowledge", and sometimes it means full-blown liberal ethics and secularism. Idk if we can productively discuss it like it's a monolith
Q: Why has Islamic modernism flagged in recent decades?
Islamic modernism, a movement that arose in the 19th century, flourished in the 19th/20th centuries, but has flagged in recent decades, being outflanked by Progressive Muslims on the one hand -- and its thunder stolen by
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On the same note, I just remembered how Stephen Shoemaker, in order to make room for his revisionist conspiracy theory, tried to (among other things) cast doubt on the reliability of radiocarbon dating itself, young-earth creationist style.
Sometimes one has to deal with dogmatists in academia, by which I mean people who know with a certainty of faith that the Quran *cannot* come from the 600s and that Islam *must* be a later innovation
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We need to stop letting anyone just talk. None of these jobs are gonna be replaced by ChatGPT, lol
ChatGPT will replace these jobs, per BI:
- Software engineers
- Data analysts
- Advertising
- Journalism
- Paralegals
- Market Research analysts
- Teachers
- Financial analysts
- Graphic designers
- Accountants
- Customer service agents
Anyone missing?
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It’s really interesting how deeply embedded this sort of modernist propaganda is in the avg westerner’s mind, especially bringing up how science “beat out” religion, as if they were in competition. The education system influences a lot more than it would have you think
@justmakequotes
@skdh
sure, i can see back thousands of years ago when no one had a reason behind why things happened, but now we do.
we now have scientific explanations for lightning, diseases etc., all of which religious people thought was their god, but isnt.
and fyi, you can have morals without
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See the clownery nation-state ideology and allegiance creates? It’s poison, straight up
Pakistani nationalists mocking the bombing of Kurds, with a pali flag in his name.
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My guy thinks it’s still 2003 Lmao
My office has launched an investigation into the nonprofit American Muslims for Palestine for fundraising without proper registration and for potentially violating Virginia's charitable solicitation laws, including benefitting or providing support to terrorist organizations.
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God have mercy on Dr. Refaat
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Pair this with plausible sounding AI-generated news/wikipedia articles, and we're soon gonna need to establish an isnad system for reliable news
Something wild is happening on the Midjourney subreddit.
People are telling stories and sharing photos of historic events - like the “Great Cascadia” earthquake that devastated Oregon in 2001.
The kicker? It never happened. The images are AI-generated.
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A brother I know recently had several family deaths and posted an old family picture, with the caption, “everyone in this picture has now passed on.” An eye-opening reminder that we belong to Allah and eventually we all return to Him.
May Allah grant us all a righteous death
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@egrefen
Biologically, it’s clear that DNNs, and connectionism in general, only pays lip service to actual neural architecture and computations. So, caution at the very least; at the very most, DNNs might not even tell us anything about biological NNs/cognition
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@ibnabitareq
Ghazali: It is foolish to say that God is within time, as He is not. His Will is eternal but the effects of it do not need to be, as God can freely will a finite thing into creation. The universe had begin to exist at some point, and he proves this through the issue of infinity.
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I’ve honestly grown skeptical of how much influence we can attribute to specific metaphysical positions and discussions on the direction of history. For example, that nominalism led to modernity (e.g, Gillespie’s thesis), that ‘univocity of being’ led to naturalism, etc…
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@hadithworks
@ZuhdAcolyte
What do you call this? Surgical, precision strikes?
Dozens of fighter jets and helicopters attacked a series of terrorist targets of the Hamas terrorist organization throughout the Gaza Strip.
So far, the IAF has dropped about 6,000 bombs against Hamas targets.
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Almost all of Wael al-Dahdouh's family has been martyred...
إِنَّا لِلَّهِ وَإِنَّا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُون
استشهاد الصحفي حمزة وائل الدحدوح نجل الصحفي الأستاذ وائل الدحدوح مدير مكتب قناة الجزيرة في غزة برفقة الصحفي مصطفى ثريا.
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﴿هُوَ الأَوَّلُ وَالآخِرُ وَالظّاهِرُ وَالباطِنُ وَهُوَ بِكُلِّ شَيءٍ عَليمٌ﴾
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The entailment is that these labels become inherently meaningless, and thus can be used in whatever way one wants. If that can be applied to anything, it entails that large amounts of language is meaningless - merely social constructs that have no definite referent.
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Give this awesome, detailed paper a read:
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Despite all the yapping about intrinsic human rights, and holding those truths to be self-evident, and all that, it just comes down to how much power you have. Might literally makes right, and there are few to no counter-examples.
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Imagine this for ANY other country
BREAKING: 🇺🇸 US spokesperson says Israel 'owes no-one any justification' and that it will have 'no red lines'
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“And never think that Allah is unaware of what the wrongdoers do. He only delays them [i.e., their account] for a Day when eyes will stare [in horror].”
- Surah Ibrahim, 42
إِنَّا لِلَّهِ وَإِنَّ إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُونْ 😣
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@fascondo
@tafsirdoctor
Verily, he would not come upon an Arabism except that he would correct it
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