Keith Raney
@khmr33
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I fix CRTs when it's necessary, but I always calibrate them properly.
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I took the plunge and bought a Mega Everdrive in case
@yuzokoshiro
still needs my help with Earthion.
But I want to extend my expertise to everyone. If you have a MegaDrive/Genesis homebrew project and you want high-quality CRT photography of your game in action for in-house…
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@zeynepmyenisey
@HannahBerrelli
I've been expected to take care of myself since 3rd grade... I know full well I'm the actual weirdo. 😅
People with well adjusted, pleasant, helpful parents are strange to me.
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Wind Waker is the best. That overworld theme when at full sail... the bluest blue, the seagulls pacing your boat. No game matches that feeling.
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Discovered today the best way to preserve the color of a CRT photograph. This is critical for preserving 9300K color temperature for photos of Japanese games before PS3. Don't white balance the CRT. White balance the room. Here I used a daylight setting on room lights...
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Sony 13VM30 VCR+ TV Combo up and running!
Forget what you know about white balancing when it comes to consumer sets... follow whatever dumb instructions are in the service manual or you'll never get it right.
Polishing up convergence for a couple of days and it'll be done.a
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This is still preliminary until I break out the real camera, but it's a decent proof of concept for the technique I posted earlier.
SNES Legend Of Zelda: A Link To The Past 9300K vs 6500K
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@ATRightMovies
Two hours, fifty minutes... so close! Otherwise, I might choose Magnolia or Lawrence Of Arabia.
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$750 is 25% of the street price of a Sony PVM 20L5 and that's before me or Steve has to restore it. It's also double the size as a 4:3 display on a 55" widescreen TV. It's also way more flexible in terms of valid signals than a 20L5.
It's not cheap, but it's also not cheap 😅…
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Calibrated the Sony PVM 2030
@dimension_retro
Geometry, white balance, color processing... all looking much better.
We probably don't need to do circuit work just yet, but maybe in the future.
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Just a friendly reminder that your CRT Scanline Filter doesn't have to emulate bad CRTs or bad convergence... it could strive for greatness 😅
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Found a good way to illustrate the difference in real world output of Genesis and SNES vs the 1:1 and 4:3 outputs of emulators, which are both incorrect.
4:3 is close, but stretches SNES too much while not compressing Genesis enough... sort of equally wrong.
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Attention
@retrotink2
, we have the maths you asked for. Simulate CRT phosphor primary colorspace and white point, without changing the monitor.
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I got totally sucked in to Saturn Grandia over the holiday weekend. Settled for RGBs sharpness over Composite transparencies... but the 14L5 delivers if you can get it less than arm's length from a comfortable seat.
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@MyNameIsByf
the new Destiny endgame is changing our PSN ID to an appropriate in-universe name and, like Mara Sov dancing along Oryx's sword logic, transmigrating ourselves into the lore of the game.
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Sony PVM 8045Q recapped, calibrated geometry, white balance and adjusted NTSC decoder with an oscilloscope. Great little monitor!
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It lives! The 1341 recap is complete, and it didn't explode when I turned it back on! 😅
This was my first project using an ESR meter to spot all the suspect caps and using my new Hakko tools.
Now, onto calibration!
I should have enough parts to do the same to my 1342Q once…
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The most work I can put into a photograph. Calibrated monitor, calibrated camera, and a few photographic tricks to get everything right.
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I'll have a more definitive comparison in a few weeks when I can make time.
Sony PVM 14M2MDU that I calibrated displaying my Kenwood CG-961 Monoscope versus the SNES Monoscope I designed for
@240pTest
This might help visualize how SNES sits inside of the total NTSC raster.
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I think
@usa_retro
and
@dorksince93
and myself should join forces to rescue this from certain doom in Texas. Who wouldn't want to finance that video series?
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LaserDisc night is brought to you by:
Kathryn Bigelow and James Cameron et al.
Strange Days (1995)
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@Togan871
@TheSAOman
@lilbinchy
@anigerianbabe
@SpicerLabworks
@zeynepmyenisey
@HannahBerrelli
I think there's been some misunderstanding as I've scrolled through some of the lower comments... that's okay.
I just want to say that you make a good point, that I was in agreement with
@zeynepmyenisey
And that people of a certain age, like me, don't necessarily have a good
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Donna, by
@pepe_salot
from the new version of
@240pTest
from
@Artemio
and friends.
This was done with my Canon 6D, 50mm 1.4 USM. 1/60sec, f2.0, ISO100
Full white balance and color correction using a 48 color Spyder Checker and many other tools in Lightroom.
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Breakthrough! Dreamcast 240p Test Suite color checker patterns and primary/secondary saturations work well enough to be a good source of feedback in your calibrations.
Many Sony monitors need either 100% color bars or 75% color bars or both to calibrate the NTSC decoder.
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@DestinyBulletn
Just tell me how much money you want Bungie. How hard is that? I already spend ~$100 a year to play Destiny. Do you want $200?
Destiny is one of the best games I've ever played... I don't care how much it costs. That's how good it is. But I have to budget for it, like…
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Finally finished measuring all the caps on this 1341 mainboard. Now I gotta change all the red ones. I'd hate to have to figure out what to charge someone for this amount of work... this one might be sold later, but I really need a pre-1996 Sony monitor with P22 phosphors to
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It's embarrassing that after 20 years, standard definition still looks best in its original format on a CRT. Guess it's back to buying DVDs for older programs...
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@PhazonLord009
@dark1x
@FBXGargoyle
This picture is, essentially, the end of that debate. What you're seeing is a perfectly calibrated Sony PVM 14M2MDU displaying a reference quality NTSC Monoscope at the correct amount of overscan and what an SNES looks like on the same monitor, superimposed on top.
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Here's a great visualization of true video 4:3 aspect ratio vs. your typical videogame system output... Wii Monoscope against the internal test patterns of an Ikegami professional monitor. 100% viewable area isn't usually used. Most Sony PVMs are 98% viewable area, in Normal Scan
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Wii Monoscope vs Genesis Monoscope.
Both superimposed upon my Kenwood CG-961 NTSC Monoscope.
It's much easier to see how the signal width is constant side by side.
Wii produces an image roughly 91% of NTSC width, Genesis 91.4%. Very tiny difference. SNES is also 91.4%.
Where
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@yuzokoshiro
I'd love nothing more than to come to Japan and personally prepare all of your CRTs if that were possible...
But more likely, I could do some testing for you on several types of CRTs and submit results for color reproduction etc... it might help your palette choices.
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Been meaning to take a new photo like this to illustrate that most Sony PVM power supplies have an extra pair of hooks to wing it out of the way while doing adjustments and taking oscilloscope measurements.
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vintage hardware. Static Convergence, Dynamic Convergence, Corners, Linearity. It's even brightness adjustable to get the best look at convergence misalignment. I'm still having new ideas, but we're all excited to share it with everyone.
#crt
#crtgaming
#vintagegaming
#PVM
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and he invited me to contribute to 240p Test Suite. I got to design the best pattern I could imagine for evaluating several CRT issues all in one place. The pattern even helps set aspect ratio correctly in a way that conforms to real NTSC patterns without having to buy expensive
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@MGSMGN
To be clear, the PS2 doesn't upscale anything.
The 512 horizontal resolution is passed through a dot clock, not unlike the SNES 256 mode... it seems to be the same relationship too... 8:7
So MGS2 512 would appear to be an equivalent width of 585, but it's the same 512 dots
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@yuzokoshiro
Don't forget, me and
@Artemio
and and everyone else at 240p Test Suite are at your disposal for CRT questions and setup.
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Don't ever trust a 40 Series neckboard... in fact, assume you have to redo the tube socket everytime.
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I have to remind myself sometimes that the quest for better CRT calibration was only part of my quest for better CRT photography.
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And so it begins... tube swap on a Sony PVM 1343MD. Then recap all the things and reassemble and pray. More to come...
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Got a chance to calibrate a 20L5 this weekend. A very nice, late model example. 720p results show a slightly elevated black level, but 1080i was significantly lower as well as 480i which was a staggering 0.021nits. Excellent condition tube here with a very nearly flat gamma graph
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I don't know what you all do when you have the house to yourself, but I spread out my full photography kit to work on CRT photography techniques... I have a few more tricks up my sleeve yet, but this is a good progress report... unless Twitter mangles the compression 😅
I think
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Another big revelation in the quest to visualize the proper amount of overscan for a given CRT. The equal percentage viewable area patterns many high-end monitors produce don't mark out a 4:3 area. That's obvious once the math sinks in, so I did a ton of photography...
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A successful night of experiments with Dreamcast
@240pTest
and an oscilloscope, colorimeter and ColorHCFR on my workhorse Sony PVM 1342Q. The extra effort produces very high quality Composite Video to go alongside S-VIDEO and RGBs. Now you can enjoy Vagrant Story as god intended.
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@RoniRoth609
@zeynepmyenisey
@HannahBerrelli
Jealous isn't the right word... it's weird because both my good instincts and bad instincts are a product of that latchkey kid GenX childhood.
I guess I was saying my generation is too alien to dunk on that girl. Besides being not nice, there's no common frame of reference that
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My first adventure calibrating a Sony PVM14L5! I had to pop out the sled for the signal processing B & B1 boards so I could more easily reach some test points for 2nd stage calibration on B1... but B is completely obscured, so I had to probe the backside of the board instead.
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Fellow
@usa_retro
Discord members had been using a collage of older photos I'd taken of the D24 viewable area markers vs the old SNES Monoscope.
It's usually shared when someone new is asking about the appropriate amount of overscan for a given monitor.
I went back to the
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Alright
@Voultar
I think it's safe to say I should take this mess apart and start over.
I've never done an NES RGB install before, but I can take about a dozen different Sony PVMs apart blindfolded & have decent soldering tools
Just want to help this guy out. I've done his CRTs
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Pretty sure Muramasa The Demon Blade is the best game on Wii...
via S-Video on a Sony PVM 1342Q
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@FBXGargoyle
@retrotink2
Was custom colorspace in HDR on the table?
I'm so close to real data on domestic Japanese CRT phosphor primary coordinates 😅
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CRT photo practice has concluded for the weekend with promising results.
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Fun discovery... a Sony badge is silver plastic and black paint.
Now I gotta hit up a Warhammer guy to fix this paint up I think.
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@retrotink2
@_daemons
I want to thank you
@retrotink2
,
@_daemons
,
@Artemio
, and
@usa_retro
and their respective discords for making the last three or four years truly special for me.
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@GameByNumber
I used the 20L5 example specifically because
@kurohouou
has already put in the work on that specific filter for RT4K.
He and I both know it takes a solid day or two of calibration on a 20L5 to achieve the kind of perfection that the RT4K can emulate flawlessly.
So even if you
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Do what you love for a living, and you'll never have a day off.
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Now that the 1341 is up and running, step one in calibration is deflection and the foundation is HFREQ, Video Phase and HCENT.
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Typical Sony PVM 14L5, it's not even close. This is deep into the color decoding oscilloscope work required to bring the L5 into spec.
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It's officially spooky season once it's cold and you really need to stay in and play Castlevania Symphony Of The Night for the 25th year in a row.
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I used my trusty gray card and white balanced the photo against that, rather than the CRT. That way, the extra blue in the 9300K display isn't crushed down in the process.
Then, you can crop down to just the screen and adjust exposure to optimize the game alone.
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Total heaven! The
@MarshallAmpsUK
Class5 + Heritage H150 with
@SeymourDuncan
Whole Lotta Humbuckers! Leftys are almost never this lucky 😆😆😆
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I watched Micheal Mann's Heat for the first time last night, in the dark alone with headphones...
The problem with seeing a transcendently beautiful movie is that I couldn't fall asleep for hours.
My only nitpick is my own
@lgusadigital
CX OLED, the APL dimming that confuses…
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Keep in mind that this is my personal Sony PVM 14L5. Meticulously calibrated to a nearly perfect grayscale in both 9300K & 6500K, as well as the entire signal processing board checked with an oscilloscope. It's probably the most accurate CRT in retro gaming on this continent.
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@MegaDriveShock
Their comments on non-square dots vindicates my own efforts to create a calibration pattern to set aspect ratio correctly at both 320x224 and 256x224
Not only their comments but the fact that the results conform to real NTSC Monoscope Patterns means you'll get the right picture
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@dieworkwear
It doesn't matter how big or small your room is... postage stamp sized TV above the fireplace, too far from the seating, way above eye level will always scream "this room shouldn't have a TV"
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@zeynepmyenisey
@ateenyalien
If I had to do it again, (again) I wouldn't.
It would just be coffee dates and discussions on marriage and children.
Anything less than Courting is a waste of time.
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@Vincent_Teoh
the rumors of 2024 LG Display OLED panels being 144Hz hopefully means they will display 24fps film content properly at the correct 3:3 BFI, just like a real film projector.
144Hz PC Gaming is not likely what they're aiming at.
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Mariokart 8 Title Screen on Switch, 720p HDMI to YPbPr on my Sony PVM 14L5
It looks really great, like way better than sending 1080p to my LG CX.
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Took my first stab at calibrating the Sony BVM 1911 today. Very intensive workload. I had 2 Z Boards for extension, which helped. I definitely got the signal response amplitudes and phase relationships in much better shape. I still don't trust the prescribed white balance though.
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ColorHCFR uses incorrect primary chromaticities for Rec601 NTSC.
A more accurate way to organize these would be to equate PAL/EBU and NTSC/SMPTE-C as they're both considered under the Rec601 umbrella.
If you are measuring a PVM or BVM from America using SMPTE-C phosphors, you…
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Pretty solid initial results for this 1953MD that got a safety cap kit this weekend 👌
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@SeymourDuncan
Just plugged her in! Sounds fantastic! I've got a whole new toolkit to learn now!
http://t.co/hBVfoUs8TY
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Your mileage will vary based on your own CRT... but this technique should deliver a photograph that's extremely similar to what you actually see color wise with your own eyes.
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@Cynder666
@DestinyBulletn
I'd love to see the "revenue target ÷ active player count = what Destiny should actually cost" numbers.
Because something doesn't jive with reality.
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These were a quick test with just my Samsung Galaxy S21 manual mode, RAW format, and Lightroom Mobile. I'll attempt something more detailed later.
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There are plenty of reasons to own a Wii... but Muramasa The Demon Blade and Sin & Punishment Star Successor are reasons you can't go without a Wii.
I just got Sin & Punishment again and it's glorious. As perfect and holy as I remember and more.
Playing Wii on a CRT is sublime.
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@240pTest
@FBXGargoyle
@usa_retro
@Artemio
What really opened my eyes was what Title Safe Area really meant and how much was really up for grabs in terms of overscan. You can use this to always get the right aspect ratio, and still overscan or underscan an amount that's right for your setup.
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