"Jackson" Park for all
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Let's turn the Seattle city-owned "Jackson" Park 18-hole golf course into a truly free public green space!
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Are you tired of new light rail stations built next to golf courses?
Do you wish that the light rail went to free, tree-filled parks and walkable housing instead?
Send a letter to Seattle leaders about 130th/148th stations to tell them what we want!
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What does a lively, well-used park look like?
On a nice evening, there are hundreds of people at Cal Anderson.
People doing all sorts of sports, socializing, eating, walking kids in strollers, playing with their dogs.
How does this compare to "Jackson" Park golf course? 🧵
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In fact, about 10 Cal Andersons can fit within the "Jackson" Park 18-hole course alone, without touching the 9-hole, driving range, buildings, and natural areas!
Is a fenced-off, barb-wired area all for a single sport the best use of land next to 2 lightrail stations?
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Golf courses including at “Jackson” Park are a horrible use of water during a drought and really anytime. Let’s close the course to save water for our salmon, river otters, beavers, and other aquatic friends. 🦫
Due to an unusually dry summer, Seattle Public Utilities is asking customers to save water until there is enough fall rain to refill the mountain reservoirs to the necessary levels.
For more information and water saving tips,
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We understand that the Jackson-18 course can only accommodate ~4 players / hole (3-6 acres!) at a time. That's why this city-owned land, next to *2* light rail stations, should serve so many more people's park needs, and allow them to traverse it to get where they need to go.
So, let me understand. You took one picture of one hole, correct?
You understand that only 4 people can be on a hole at the same time, right?
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Seattle is a city of parks for the rich and loud arterial streets for the masses. Let’s make it easier for folks who rely on transit and can’t afford to live next to large nature parks on the water to get to free public green space! Light rail to a giant park full of trees when??
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On a nice afternoon over the same size area within Jackson Park golf course, there may be 4? 6? people.
"Jackson" Park consists of an 18-hole course, a 9-hole course, and a driving range. Just 2 adjacent holes on the 18-hole course (1, 18) span the entirety of Cal Anderson.
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Our dream is for a beautiful nature park like Discovery/Carkeek to be accessible via light rail. These large parks are very difficult to reach without a car, which many can’t afford or operate. We’d never call golfers elitist! We want to invest in the 9 holes + driving range
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Join us this Thursday 8-9pm for a virtual meeting with District 5 Seattle City Council candidates to discuss alternate uses of “Jackson” Park! Sign up for our mailing list here to get the Zoom link:
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Last week we hosted District 5 Seattle City Council candidates ChrisTiana ObeySumner and Cathy Moore at our monthly meeting to talk about their thoughts on how to make better use of “Jackson” Park Golf Course. Check out a recording of our meeting here!
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@PuckKJR
@firstteeseattle
Not true! Please read our website and letter. We want to keep the 9 holes and driving range. Great for kids, new players, and
@firstteeseattle
! Please don’t spread misinformation
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And they should get it! ❤️ A park next to everyone’s home please, instead of a large impassable fenced-off area with barbed wire! A place to take a 1yo for a walk, or 8yo to play soccer maybe? Here is a survey from a large community event and how they voted, including for golf!
@jp4all_org
@PuckKJR
@oowm
@firstteeseattle
Practically everyone would like a park next to their house. Their voice doesnt mean much.
We need to see the data. Is there more light rail demand than golf? And is the demand heavily favored enough to overcome the fact that Seattle is already a premier public park city.
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Sure! Agreed. However, Jackson 18 hole golf course is in a park desert, sees the lowest use, and is directly adjacent to 2 new light rail stations, greatly reducing access to those stations for surrounding neighbors and businesses. This is why it stands out as a place to improve
Why not spend your energy in revitalizing the parks already in use in Seattle? Baseball fields are unusable in the rain. Soccer fields damage by dogs. Bathrooms unusable because of destruction and vandalism.
Why no attention to those?
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@DanielBairdDev
@UrbanistOrg
Jackson Park is a fully city-owned, city-subsidized public golf course, with greens maintained by the Seattle Parks dept. The day-to-day business operations are managed by a for-profit contract vendor.
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We absolutely need more parks in Seattle, and I think overwhelmingly everyone can agree: residents, tree canopy protectors, parents with kids who want to run freely across trails and fields and even play a huge variety of sports -- including the sports covered by
@PuckKJR
😀
Can't make this stuff up.
The "we need more parks" crowd like
@jp4all_org
This is from the cities OWN website
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We’ve talked to many neighbors about preferred park uses, including several golfers who say the 9 holes would absolutely meet their needs. We hope that the city doesn’t repeat past mistakes listening to a tiny vocal minority at the expense of creating a better city for everyone.
I listened to the whole 54 minutes.
The 9 hole isn’t applicable to the people that use it.
One more than one occasion your guests referred to the elitist nature of the sport and people that use it.
It was amazingly tone deaf. But, par for the course on this issue.
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An 18-hole course right next to light rail creates a unique accessibility nightmare full of barbed wire for neighbors and travelers. With any other park use - trails, sports fields, playgrounds - people can traverse the park to homes and businesses.
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Great questions! We’ve spoken to hundreds of folks throughout the city who would use the park as a park and would come via light rail. Also many neighbors who live directly next to the golf course that want to be able to walk to a park where their kids can play. So lots of demand
@jp4all_org
Honest questions.
How do you know people want to light rail to a park?
Was a study done?
How many and how often will people light rail to park?
Will people light rail to the park year around?
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In fact, we know exactly how many people use golf, and the 18-hole is the *least* used course per acre. The Interbay 9-hole: 3 people enjoy it / acre-day. Jackson 18? Each acre, on average, sees 1 person.
It's also least diverse of all 6 public courses.
Great thread! Awesome proposal for a new park!
And time for me to remind y’all that Seattle’s golf courses serve just 1.38 people per acre per day. 9 hole courses serve more.
We can build a better city by making critical parks more accessible!
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Kinda like this? Let’s do it!!!
@_KateMacfarlane
So, to work within the constraints of Initiative 42 (preserve park size/usage), the city might be able to convert some public golf space into generic green space and then hand that over for housing, while converting adjacent on street parking into green space.
@jp4all_org
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We have over 80 responses so far for our survey on what you’d like to see at “Jackson” Park! Soccer, disc golf, hiking trails - what else?! Tell us what your dreams are!
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We’re halfway to our goal of 300 letters! Help us get there!
Are you tired of new light rail stations built next to golf courses?
Do you wish that the light rail went to free, tree-filled parks and walkable housing instead?
Send a letter to Seattle leaders about 130th/148th stations to tell them what we want!
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We want to see "packed" green spaces! A packed Cal Anderson is hundreds of people playing different sports and activities. A packed Magnuson - full fields of intramural.
A packed Jackson is... 20? More than that becomes dangerous as golf balls fly.
if you live in District 5 be aware of who you are voting for. This group and one of these candidates will try and get rid of it.
The course is a major hub for
@firstteeseattle
that serves kids of all backgrounds.
HS kids practice there. There yesterday and it was packed.
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@LyfeStiles
Awesome! Glad to teach! Ppl who don’t own cars and rely on public transit including light rail tend to be lower income, POC, disabled (for ex, seizures or eyesight leave them unable to drive). So having park access via our best transit really helps them
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Unfortunately the D5 area of Seattle *is* a park desert, as anyone who has lived/worked here know! Esp N of 115th St. When we asked D5 neighbors, they overwhelmingly wanted trails, paths, and playfields! And sports! What they didn't want: 160.7 acres all for one single sport.
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@PuckKJR
Sure! Agreed. However, Jackson 18 hole golf course is in a park desert, sees the lowest use, and is directly adjacent to 2 new light rail stations, greatly reducing access to those stations for surrounding neighbors and businesses. This is why it stands out as a place to improve
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@LyfeStiles
Seattle is a city of parks for the rich and loud arterial streets for the masses. Let’s make it easier for less wealthy folks who rely on transit and can’t afford to live next to large nature parks on the water to get to free public green space!
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@Transit_Trekker
@DanielBairdDev
@UrbanistOrg
We had not seen this yet, and it is very helpful, thank you for bringing it to our attention!
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@LyfeStiles
Great questions! We’ve spoken to hundreds of folks throughout the city who would use the park as a park and would come via light rail. Also many neighbors who live directly next to the golf course that want to be able to walk to a park where their kids can play. So lots of demand
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@PuckKJR
@oowm
@firstteeseattle
Gotcha! We’ve spoken to hundreds of folks throughout the city who would use the park as a park and would come via light rail. Also many neighbors who live directly next to the golf course that want to be able to walk to a park where their kids can play. So lots and lots of demand
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@meanie
Please read our letter carefully! We don't call for housing INSIDE the current golf area, just in the walkshed of the stations. But yes, it'd be great to alter Initiative 42 to allow golf courses to convert to nature parks! At a min, it should be much easier to walk through
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@meanie
@OaksfordJustin
Sure! Take our survey here to tell us what you’d like to see. Dog park is an option we’ve always included. Feel free to add more new ideas!
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@PuckKJR
Our dream is for a beautiful nature park like Discovery/Carkeek to be accessible via light rail. These large parks are very difficult to reach without a car, which many can’t afford or operate. We’d never call golfers elitist! We want to invest in the 9 holes + driving range
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@FearTheBeardPNW
@PuckKJR
@firstteeseattle
That’s awesome! We should definitely keep the 9 holes at Jackson (and even expand it!) so other kids like you can learn there
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@PuckKJR
@oowm
@firstteeseattle
Green lake is a pretty good one! Have you tried getting to any of these without a car? Many of us have and it’s not as simple as this blogs makes it seem lol especially if you want to get to the best/most popular spots :( please try it out and let us know how it goes!
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@AlisonSmith1889
Yes! DMing you. We will be making it available publicly soon after getting permission from folks who are in it
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@jonathan_miner
@Drew_Brew24
48,442 rounds, which is less than 132 people per day. (~1 round / acre-day)
@Drew_Brew24
@jonathan_miner
This is incorrect, btw. That number is for all 6 Seattle public golf courses. The Jackson Park 18-hole saw 48,442 rounds total in 2017.
That is an average of ~1 round / acre / day, and has been steadily trending down. If the trend held, < 40,000 rounds in 2023.
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@FearTheBeardPNW
@PuckKJR
@firstteeseattle
In my neighborhood we only have half court haha so the kids and adults play it forever 😂
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Awesome! Glad to teach! Ppl who don’t own cars and rely on public transit including light rail tend to be lower income, POC, disabled (for ex, seizures or eyesight leave them unable to drive). So having park access via our best transit really benefits them
@jp4all_org
Sounds great. Please show the data that the less wealthy will in fact light rail to Jackson. I would love to learn more.
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@PuckKJR
@oowm
@firstteeseattle
What does question the use of park via light rail mean? Like you think people wouldn’t use it as a park (say nature trails, picnic tables, bball court, etc) and wouldn’t come to it via light rail? Sorry just wanted to clarify
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@Drew_Brew24
@jonathan_miner
This is incorrect, btw. That number is for all 6 Seattle public golf courses. The Jackson Park 18-hole saw 48,442 rounds total in 2017.
That is an average of ~1 round / acre / day, and has been steadily trending down. If the trend held, < 40,000 rounds in 2023.
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We have a great guide to how many households and businesses are impacted by the park! And please learn more about the other impacts at
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And we invite you to experience the park as a neighbor and non-golfer, by walking around the *entire* trail around the park and see what the experience might be, if you haven't yet already!
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