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Baylis v Valve. This is key to US©O investigation.
"When submitting an application to register the work the applicant should provide the date that the work was first published in the foreign country and should
submit a copy... of the foreign edition."
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AI users slowly coming to terms with not owning their outputs.
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@CruxDatum
@epistemophagy
Art is accessible to children around the world. All they need is chalk, Clay, sand, a pencil. Two thirds of children in the world have no access to the Internet. So AI art being "more accessible" is a stupid premise in the first place.
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@JoJoesArt
@cartoonbrew
Well done! Stand up for your copyrights! All artists need to educate themselves in the digital age about copyright.
Even creative employees in the EU can continue to earn future royalties from their work even after exclusive rights are transferred under DSM Directive.
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@cartoonbrew
"now considering a Kickstarter to alter the entirety of Akira"
And there you have it. AI bros looking for ways to defraud members of the public by raising investments through copyright infringement schemes.
That's the main premise of all AI developers in totality.
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"[Valve]... wants to ensure that AI models used to generate artwork are only trained on images already owned by developers. As in, developers cannot rely on third-party tools that pull image generation from mass sources."
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Downloading millions of Stock images to use for a commercial product that makes derivatives of said Stock images, in order to replace the Stock image company where the images came from, as well as replace photographers and artists...is not fair use!
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"Stability AI executive quits over copyright row.
A senior executive at an artificial intelligence business has stepped down because it uses copyrighted work to train its models without paying for it or getting permission from the holder."
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@gisellaesthetic
"the Digital Millennium © Act (DMCA) makes it illegal for someone to remove your watermark...you may be able to recover fines up to $25,000 plus attorney's fees for the infringement."
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AI systems require "copying" © works into datasets & getting the AI to reproduce (copy) BILLIONS of images as part of it's "learning" process. AI systems can't work without "copying" & making "derivatives" of © images.
Notice watermark on the last image!
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"the Image (...created by AI) could not constitute a work capable of copyright protection as it was not the result of the creative activity of a natural person... The Image was not therefore a copyright work, let alone a copyright work owned or authored by the claimant."
Czech court finds that AI tool DALL-E cannot be the author of a copyright work
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“Getty Images does not accept files created using AI generative models. This includes Adobe’s recently announced Creative Cloud tools, which are now available with its Firefly‑powered generative AI tools built in,”
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This ruling is devastating to AI users hoping for ©.
"Non-human actors need no incentivization with the promise of exclusive rights under United States law, and copyright was therefore not designed to reach
them."
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AI systems require "copying" © works into datasets & getting the AI to reproduce (copy) images as part of it's "learning" process. AI systems can't work without "copying" & making "derivatives" of © images.
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AI outputs are commercially worthless!
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1/ Iron Sky case-the truth! (In summary)
I worked on Iron Sky as a Senior Modeller, Modelling Supervisor, Technical Director and Animator. I made loads of stuff including whole scenes & led a team of modellers..but I was unemployed for most of the production! Yep that's right!!
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First part of trying to get my works removed from LAION datasets is to ask the researcher directly (
@Rom1504
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Oh dear.
"creative evangelist!" or "con-artist" to use the colloquial term!
At least she gave credit to the photographer! That's an improvement! :)
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@arvalis
@aardman
@TimAnimation
This is why stop motion animation is so under appreciated. It's so meticulously controlled to every detail in a frame. It's heart crushing to see the love of the craft like this. :)
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"Artists could also approach the AI entity and ask for a license fee and if they don't' agree they could pursue legal action through a small claims tracker which is cheaper than a fancy law firm"
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Someone explain to me; Stability are offering "opt out" of their AI system but work of
@kortizart
is clearly in Stability's training data as ANYONE can see. Given Stability are facing legal action, why haven't they "opted out" Karla's work?! She clearly doesn't want it in there!
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So, when is it actually going to hit home to AI users that their AI outputs are commercially worthless? When?! How long are they going to ignore this fundamental fact?! How long can you go with such delusional charade before reality hits you hard in the face?!
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"Mrs Justice Smith has rejected an attempt by Stability AI to dismiss the case brought by Getty Images, which is valued at $1 billion (£790 million)."
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"Stop trying to make AI copyrights happen. It is not going to happen."
Federal judge rules that AI art can't be copyrighted
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This is important!
If AI is "fair use"; the whole US creative economy will lose trillions in licensing revenue. e.g. It would allow foreign firms like Nintendo to raid the IP of Disney, Marvel et al to make competing works FOR FREE at an exponential level.
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@thoughtrise
You should check out Patience Worth.
I see parallels with communicating to entities over the Internet via computer, in principle, the same as using a Ouija board.
Imagine an entity hacking into a human brain like you can hack into a computer or a robot.
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I'm finally writing that novel that's always been inside of me!
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AI Copyright Infringement Suit Proceeds in California District Court.
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Here's a summary of the US Senate Subcommittee's hearing on Artificial Intelligence and Intellectual Property.
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AI gens democratizing abusive behaviors. 'Wanna see the girl next door naked?! You too can get arrested and live with social shame of your actions for the rest of your life! Subscribe to AI gens now!'
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"Shutterstock believes that AI-generated content is the cumulative effort of its contributing artists."
This is evidence right here!! They admit that AI gens are derivative works. Derivative works require explicit "written consent" from © owners.
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Let's play a game. Who can spot the '5 stages of grief' emerging on this AI reddit sub. :)
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@DarrylMason
I stopped film producers using my work for a sequel and a whole franchise. That's why my work is not in the sequel. ;) Producers went bankrupt and 2 million in debt. 3rd film got shelved.
Disney can't take my work either. (Not that they would want it)
1/ Iron Sky case-the truth! (In summary)
I worked on Iron Sky as a Senior Modeller, Modelling Supervisor, Technical Director and Animator. I made loads of stuff including whole scenes & led a team of modellers..but I was unemployed for most of the production! Yep that's right!!
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@TitoShroom
@DJFreshUK
@NetflixJP
Yep. Films never make "net profits" due to opaque accounting. Netflix may put money up front for production but studios take their cut before the production starts as they won't benefit from net profits through distribution. They keep wages low as a result. It's a corrupt system.
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AI comic decision from US©O. :)
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@insectoideart
@MsLisaHendricks
It says "Black Bikes Matter". It's equivocation (being ambiguous to hide his truthful nature). Just like the way racists use the OK symbol as a "dog whistle". You know the meaning if you are "in the group" & you can deny any negative meaning to those outside the group.
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Lol!
@keyboardmedics
Ben Brooks admits artists should be allowed to have their work taken out of AI systems to the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee.
He also tries to make a "fair use" argument. Er, so, why allow artists to have their work removed if it's "fair use"?!
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Altman basically confesses to Congress that data really is used unlawfully by AI developers and that ALL © owners (and everyone else) should be able to exclude their work and information from AI datasets. ;)
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Ooooh! But don't worry. Sam Altman offered to pay for everyone's © infringement cases! Hey Sam! That's right isn't it?..Sam?...Sam?!...oh wait, he's been sacked.
"it’s a near certainty that Bing Image Creator has already been trained on copyrighted Disney and Pixar artwork."
REPORT: Disney asked Microsoft to prevent AI users from infringing its trademarks. The key issue: Microsoft’s AI image-creation tools were generating a Disney-Pixar logo. | Click image for the story 👇
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Adobe appear to know they are on shaky legal ground.
There is a No Commercial Use clause with their Generative AI service. Once again this demonstrates that AI is not a tool for pro artists.
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25/ Finland now has a case where exploited artists can take back their work from nefarious employers and use it all themselves. The DSM©Driective requires a “chain of title” be maintained and equitable remunerations. Know your rights! ;)
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"Rather than a tool that Ms. Kashtanova controlled and guided to reach her desired image,
Midjourney generates images in an unpredictable way. Accordingly, Midjourney users are not
the “authors” for copyright purposes of the images the technology generates."
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@zachsilberberg
Why did you knock? Isn't there a lock on the door?
If I'm in a locked cubicle and someone knocks I'd be very confused.
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US Copyright Office to revoke registration of AI generated Comic book. 30 day appeal window.
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"it's impossible for a person to contribute an original element when they can't know in advance what the machine will produce in response to their prompt."
Yep. Brian wrote this! He finally gets it! I'm stunned! :)
Unsurprising, but welcome. As a doctrinal matter, copyright can't protect AI output, because it's impossible for a person to contribute an original element when they can't know in advance what the machine will produce in response to their prompt.
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@Rahll
The whole thing is a scam. They are simply raising funding. There's no film & certainly no film distribution.
It's the same type of scam producers used with Iron Sky. They promise investors a share of profits but as there is no distribution there are no profits. A Ponzi Scheme.
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@TimSweeneyEpic
@Im_Jayes
@garrytan
@WholeMarsBlog
But AI gens are derivative works based on © works that haven't been lawfully licensed. That means no work that used AI gens can be protected by ©. See US17 §103a & US©O circular 14 plus Anderson v Stallone. Publishing platforms would also lose their safeharbour under DMCA laws.
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Let's address
@sharongoldman
Article () where Andres Guadamuz claims Adobe have "a license for perpetuity" from Stock contributors "for whatever medium shall be invented".
This, to be quite frank, is utter, UTTER bullshit!
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This guy gets it! :)
GM - this is the hot and stupid future I ask for.
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"Why..should a for-profit company be permitted to feed the paintings, drawings and photographs of living artists into a program ...so it can then be used to generate doppelganger versions of those very artists’ work...?"
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EU moves closer to passing one of world’s first laws governing AI
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Another loser can't take the truth about AI systems using © works and making derivatives.
Context :
@benedictevans
@starsea099
Like I said you make specious arguments. AI system deliberately make derivative copies of the work the are trained on. This is well known and your arguments are just false.
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The dumbness keeps getting dumber. Not even a shred of irony detectable.
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6/ Similar to Margret Keane (Big Eyes case), I had to demonstrate to the judge I could do 3D animation work using my Iron Sky work. The judge believed me and got very angry with Troll VFX. I won the case and had all my Iron sky work back....Troll VFX appealed. It got crazier.
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@AnTimNguyen
@Saihtamen
Also useful. Make the client understand that copyright doesn't belong to the commissioning party. Put it another way, the client won't get copyright even if they paid for the commissioned service. Needs separate payment for exclusive license or assignment.
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I mean, you can block me but the point I make is still extremely valid!
#cognitiveDissonance
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AI images ARE text files. It's all code to AI software. Any argument suggesting img2img can produce © works is utter nonsense. It's ALL JUST TEXT!
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"...a generative AI is not just a tool."
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@arvalis
@oneunderscore__
- Mum, dad, come look what I made in physics class!
-Oh nice, what is it?
-it's a device to vaporize 300,000 innocent people!
-Yay!
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"no one wants to spend millions of dollars to produce and market a work that they can’t fully protect. And merely having a human writer give minor touch ups to an AI-generated screenplay won’t provide the desired copyright protection either." (A. Moss)
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"A UK court ruled a lawsuit from Getty Images against Stable Diffusion creator Stability AI can move on to trial, finding merit in Getty’s insistence that its copyrighted material was used to train AI models."
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I've mention before how a Disney trained AI system would create unprotected works and that Disney would be likely committing corporate suicide by using such as system for major assets. Seems at least one © lawyer (Leonard French) agrees with me. ;)
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If only there were some kind of regulation to prevent such things?!
"AI co-founder Ilya Sutskever told The Verge...that keeping information like training methods and data sources secret was necessary to stop its work being copied by rivals."
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@itsPaulAi
You'll get black listed in the industry using AI for this stuff. It looks awful too. No brand manager could allow this.
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@JoelCHoltzman
@zeo4k
I think users really believe they are creating something when in reality the software is just random. It works using pariedolia effect (finding images in noise). Even Kashtanova has admitted it's just randomness and there little genuine control.
@franklingraves
Well here is the addmition from Kashtanova that using AI images gens really isn't authorship. It's just random generations that one has very little control over. Eventually you just have to settle for what it produces. That's not authorship.
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4/ My work had already been sold to a games company in Poland to make the game Iron Sky Invasion. I was bemused by it all. The games company were even sending me messages to ask for help with the files.... I told them I was taking legal action!
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It's not just a Shit Show. It's a Clown Shit Show where there clowns are throwing shit at the public and Investors are now wondering if they've booked the right act!
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2/ After Iron Sky was released in 2012 the production company formed a new company Troll VFX. They paid me minimum wage.
I found out everyone else (Finns) were getting paid more AND there were plans for Iron Sky 2. I'm from UK.
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24/ Financial statements confirm investor's money was being funneled elsewhere. 200K to owner of Troll VFX. True cost of IS2 was 6 million. Chinese film never came out. Producers bankrupt owing 2 million.
I walked away with all my work including IPR to use in future stuff I do.
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3/ I pointed out to producers that I still owned all the IPR for my work on Iron Sky and asked for a salary review.....I was immediately sacked! They were trying to steal my work and Troll VFX owner had already made a €200K deal for my IPR.
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@bennash
@udiomusic
None of it can be protected by © so no one needs to pay for any of your stuff. You are subscribing to a worthless service. i.e. falling fro a scam.
Anyone can take AIoutputs for free without having to pay for the AI software. That's how scammy the whole thing is.
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@fuckyouiquit
Royalty check!? I only got unemployment benefits when film producers stole my work for a film franchise! I fought back and now they are bankrupt! ;)
1/ Iron Sky case-the truth! (In summary)
I worked on Iron Sky as a Senior Modeller, Modelling Supervisor, Technical Director and Animator. I made loads of stuff including whole scenes & led a team of modellers..but I was unemployed for most of the production! Yep that's right!!
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Lol! Class action law suit drops and even the AI starts to panic! 🤣
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26/The Producer's and director were defrauding crowdfunding fans because they didn't own any © to make a sequel. I had 4 court cases where producers claimed I was an "intern" & couldn't do 3D work. They just lied. I'm top of the list of VFX artists in credits
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10/ However, the producers didn't actually own the rights to make any franchise. I had won my case against Troll VFX and had all the 3D artwork. I contacted Pixomondo and told them this. Same with NBC Universal and the Chinese producers. The "chain of title" was broken.
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17/ Eventually, I found some lawyers to help. They understood everything. One was even an ex judge. We got a filing together and news broke in the Hollywood Reporter. Woo-hoo! The shit hit the fan for Iron Sky Producers. They were told by distributors to get things sorted.
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@GeorgeCrudo
"Mostaque himself compared the new model to a pizza base that lets anyone add ingredients (i.e. training data) of their choice."
Mostaque admits AI users are "consumers" making "consumer choices" from a user interface (vending machine). Not artists. ;)
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5/ I was an ERTO union member. They sued Troll VFX for discrimination & unfair dismissal. Then things got crazy. Troll VFX claimed I wasn't a 3D artist in court and had never worked on Iron Sky. Even getting their friends & my work mates to testify I couldn't do 3D animation.
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@emmaisafish
@mspixieriot
@morningwitchy
The winner keeps © ownership proper of their work. The rules only mention a non exclusive license. An exclusive license requires a written agreement signed by both parties. There's no work for hire agreement either.
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To help clarify some of the discourse on US©O guidelines:
I've taken Kashtanova's AI outputs & made my own comic!! Similar to Kashtanova, I can only register elements on the right as human authorship (but not Mona Lisa or Naruto) . There's no © for the rest of the comic.
:)
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@GeorgeCrudo
They are using AI to write arguments to defend the use of AI....
Demonstrating at the same time, that they didn't create the AI output and can't claim authorship of it. :)
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11/ All production plans were going to collapse If I owned IPR. 50Million in deals were on the table but couldn't be finalised if I still held the IPR to all the 3D work. It was all fraud. There couldn't be distribution without a "chain of title". Investors would lose money!!
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16/ I tried a new tactic. To get Iron Sky Universe to sue me! I made a 3D print of the main Iron Sky UFO & started selling it. Got some friends to help making a VR prototype using Iron Sky Models. Demoed it at various places. ISU were watching, & gathering evidence...mwahahaha!
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