Madi Hilly
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MYTH: We don't have a solution to nuclear's "waste problem"
REALITY: Nuclear waste isn't a problem. In fact, it’s the best solution we have to meeting our energy needs while protecting the natural environment!
Here's what you need to know:
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In summary, nuclear waste:
- is solid (not glowing green goo)
- is tiny compared to the waste from all other energy technologies
- is easily contained
- has a perfect safety record
Nuclear waste does have a problem, however...
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Because uranium is very energy dense, the amount of waste is relatively small.
All of the fuel rods ever used by the commercial nuclear industry since the late 1950s could fit on a single football field stacked about 50 feet high.
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...which is that policymakers and the public think that nuclear waste has a problem!
The prevailing belief is that nuclear waste is uniquely dangerous and that the industry doesn't know what to do with it.
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The best part: when the fuel rods are done in the reactor, over 90% of the potential energy from the uranium is still left in them!
That means we can recycle the spent fuel and turn it into new fuel, which is already routinely done in Europe, Russia, and Japan.
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WHAT ABOUT CHERNOBYL?
Chernobyl the accident shows that, even in a worst-case scenario, the health and environmental risks of nuclear are small.
Chernobyl the cultural phenomenon shows how dangerous nuclear can be.
Here’s what you need to know:
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Most of the industrial waste we manage never gets less toxic over time.
Not in a million years. Not even in a billion.
Mercury, lead, cadmium, arsenic, etc. are all dangerous and remain so forever.
In rich countries, this waste is gathered up and stored without fanfare.
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Let's start with uniquely dangerous.
The main concern associated with spent nuclear fuel – radioactivity – diminishes with time.
About 40 years after it's done making power, the heat and radioactivity of the fuel bundle will have fallen by over 99%.
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Nuclear waste concerns are overwhelmingly focused on “high-level waste”, which is almost entirely spent nuclear fuel.
Nuclear fuel is made up of metal tubes containing small pellets of uranium. These tubes are gathered into bundles for loading and unloading into the reactor.
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Rather than being honest and explaining that 1) radiation does not make nuclear waste uniquely dangerous and 2) dry cask storage at the plant is safe, cheap, and has a flawless record, the industry has attempted to offer technical solutions to what is a political problem.
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So what to do about the true nuclear waste problem?
The Netherlands offers a compelling solution: encourage people to visit!
Their facility is open to the public, contains an educational museum, and is decorated with large-scale art installations.
"WHAT ABOUT THE WASTE?"
Nuclear energy's got EXCELLENT waste: there's almost none of it, and it announces its presence reliably even w/ cheap detectors.
The Dutch have solved it: make the place with the waste HIGHLY ACCESIBLE, CLASSY, and most of all, FUN.
@ParisOrtizWines
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Yucca Mountain is an anti-scientific dumpster fire, eating up public wealth.
It would save 0 lives, protect against 0 injuries, avoid 0 cancer, and give the false impression that nuclear waste is the most dangerous waste.
$15 billion flushed for no benefit.
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Scientists and engineers abuse public trust when they pretend we must bury nuclear waste deep underground or put it in the middle of a desert.
Any "expert" who believes this is, at best, confused about the role of science and engineering in advising public policy.
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After nuclear fuel has spent about five years in a reactor making energy, it's placed into a pool of water to cool off for another five years.
(Storage pool at Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station)
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After that, several bundles are placed inside concrete and steel "casks" and placed in rows next to the reactor.
(Dry cask storage at Palo Verde)
Everyone: But what about the waste??
Me: What about it?
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There’s nothing special about radiation that would prevent us from doing this with high-level waste.
The only difference is that high-level waste is much easier to detect and thus easier to monitor.
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The U.S industry gives off creepy vibes when it comes to waste.
People should be allowed to check it out for themselves! At worst, they'll be bored. At best, we can find a way to make it more interesting like the Dutch do.
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Glad to be hearing from so many of you in response to this thread!
If you like what you read here, there’s a lot more coming and I would definitely appreciate your support.
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I love getting asked about the waste. I never get tired of seeing people relax when they hear me explain it.
I think the impatience with the question is what has led the industry and advocates to support ill-advised, "technical" fixes for problems of trust and openness.
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No babies received any excess radiation in the making of this nuclear waste maternity photoshoot
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It’s disappointing to see
@PeterZeihan
pull the same old ‘I’m pro-nuclear BUT’ schtick on Joe Rogan.
Let’s put these anti-nuclear myths to bed and clear the record:
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Also, Chicago enjoys a nearly carbon-free grid thanks to four local nuclear plants
That’s round-the-clock, weather-proof electricity to power all of our future aspirations
Extremely bullish on this city
Chicago is a ridiculously under tapped ecosystem. It’s moment is fast approaching. Lower cost of living, tons of design talent, music talent, Virgil DNA all over the place, lots of new cultural and creative talent starting moments, new funds launching, will be obvious in 5 yrs
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@Campaign_GND
accepts no industry or NGO money. I’m funded by small donors pledging on Patreon and the rest comes from my husband (love u honey 😘)
If you like what you read here, there’s a lot more coming and I would definitely appreciate your support!
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MYTH: radiation is uniquely dangerous, and there’s no safe exposure – no matter how small.
REALITY: the idea of “no safe exposure” has caused far more harm to public health than actual radiation from all nuclear accidents.
Here's what you need to know:
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“As a young person in my 20s expecting a child this year, I feel very comfortable with the way we manage nuclear waste, with making more of it and with passing this responsibility onto our kids.”
My latest, in
@nytimes
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I've been disappointed in content coming from
@sciam
for a while now, so I guess I'm not surprised to see this.
Let’s examine these claims:
1. Is nuclear waste “piling up”
2. Is nuclear waste becoming unsafe?
3. Do we need a repository now?
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France’s nuclear fleet is failing at a time when Europe most desperately needs reliable power.
Some point to this as evidence that nuclear in France is old and unreliable.
The truth is, France worked very hard to achieve this collapse 🧵
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A lot to unpack here, but worth going through
1. "It's too expensive..."
A nuclear plant requires a lot of money up front to build. But given the lifetime of these plants and how much electricity they reliably produce, they generate cheap electricity over long periods of time.
@stonk_the
Yes we do. Nuclear power is still a problem not a solution. It's too expensive and too slow - it simply cant compete with renewables - and the radioactive waste problem still exists >>
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If there’s a silver lining in people living near Chernobyl being kicked off the land, it’s the accidental experiment in rewilding.
The Exclusion Zone is the 3rd largest nature reserve in Europe. Lynx, wolves, bison, and deer all thrive in its forests.
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But to prevent another Chernobyl-the-Cultural-Phenomenon, we must revisit the accident, the people, and the wildlife of the Exclusion Zone to understand and address our fear and anxiety.
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“I got radiation from the flight…from the banana I ate for breakfast and from being out in the sun for the photo shoot. However, I got no registrable dose from bumping up to the nuclear waste.
The extreme safety of nuclear waste management can't be faked."
In
@Newsweek
today:
Pregnant woman poses with "nuclear waste" to prove point about radiation
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Excited to finally announce the launch of my new organization, the Campaign for a Green Nuclear Deal!
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The true human tragedy of Chernobyl is the aftermath of fear and stigma around the accident.
Association with Chernobyl led to significantly increased rates of alcoholism, mental health issues, and suicide for those who were forced to leave or clean up the site.
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Here’s the breakdown of deaths from Chernobyl:
- 3 deaths from the initial steam explosion
- 28 firefighter deaths from acute radiation syndrome (ARS)
- 15 deaths from thyroid cancer in the first 25 years after the accident
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“We don’t have that kind of time”
This same argument was used by Britain’s former deputy PM in 2010: nuclear isn’t an answer because “they wouldn’t come on-stream until 2021 or 2022.”
The UK could sure use that power right now…
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My thread on nuclear waste seems to have touched a nerve!
Interestingly, most pushback has come from INSIDE the nuclear industry, not outside.
A follow-up on the physics & culture of nuclear waste, & why the industry has gotten it wrong for so long:
MYTH: We don't have a solution to nuclear's "waste problem"
REALITY: Nuclear waste isn't a problem. In fact, it’s the best solution we have to meeting our energy needs while protecting the natural environment!
Here's what you need to know:
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HBO’s success shows how special Chernobyl is compared to other deadly accidents: the fascination looms far beyond the event's death toll and physical impact.
The reverse is true for other industrial accidents, which are nearly unknown outside industry and local communities.
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Myth
#1
: Nuclear is too slow
“We don’t have that kind of time, honestly”
On the contrary: nuclear power is proven to be one of the fastest ways to scale up clean energy for deep decarbonization.
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@viclough
@ShellenbergerMD
describes what would be required to steal and use spent nuclear fuel for nefarious purposes (it's a scenario even too ridiculous for Hollywood to consider making a movie out of lol)
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“[A]fter the environmental stress caused by irradiation, ecosystems close to Chernobyl have recovered and are now 'flourishing'. It concludes that the exclusion zone has become a 'wildlife sanctuary' as a result of the large availability of food and the absence of human activity”
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War-torn Ukraine is even offering to send more nuclear electricity to Germany, which is having an energy crisis in part due to their own fear-driven nuclear phaseout.
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There have not yet been any increases in other types of cancer.
There were no effects on infant mortality, malformations, or fertility.
These scientific findings represent the widest divergence between popular and scientific understanding of Chernobyl.
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Chernobyl surged back into popular culture with the release of HBO’s Chernobyl miniseries.
The show — ostensibly about how lies caused Chernobyl — itself lied about the potential stakes of the accident, inflating it upward by orders of magnitude.
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Because of the mythology around radiation and Chernobyl, few people realize that the other three Chernobyl reactors continued to operate after the accident.
In fact, for three years in a row, the plant improved its performance, up to 18.7 TWh in 1989.
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Chernobyl-the-Accident can’t be repeated.
The remaining reactors of the type that were built at Chernobyl have been altered to prevent the triggering sequence, and most of the world’s operating reactors were never at risk of this type of explosive accident.
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Many people who point to Chernobyl as the ultimate reason to condemn nuclear don’t know or care that Ukraine has gotten more than half of its electricity from nuclear since 2015, or that the country wants to build more.
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I will accept absurd, but I'm actually extremely basic
I am consistently in the top 0.1% of Taylor Swift listeners on Spotify
Nuclear fission fanatics are such deeply weird people, you really wouldn't want to run into any of them. Grotesque and absurd.
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The stigma of Chernobyl had significant consequences outside of Ukraine as well.
It led to the loss of almost all of Lithuania’s electricity production. Again, under immense pressure from the EU, the country went from 90% nuclear to 0% nuclear overnight.
Today, on the anniversary of the accident, I’m seeing a lot of pushback on Chernobyl fearmongering - which is great! 👍🏼
But I’m seeing a lot of people doing this by trashing Russian nuclear engineering capability, and specifically the RBMK design, which I have a problem with 👎🏼
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Dresden was scheduled for permanently shutdown last year.
We fought hard and the decision was reversed — by a single vote.
Now it looks like Dresden may be providing Illinois with carbon-free power through the middle of the century.
You absolutely love to see it 😍
20 MORE YEARS?
Great news to start the week.
@ConstellationEG
announces it will seek to extend the operating licenses of its Clinton and Dresden nuclear power plants.
If approved, the reactors would run through 2047, 2049 and 2051.
News release:
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German nuclear plants are among the youngest in the West and finest in the world.
The majority of Germans support nuclear power.
Staff and leadership at the nuclear plants want to stay.
FINALLY, they got the green light. An important first step.
BREAKING: GERMANY TO POSTPONE NUCLEAR CLOSURES
From
@bopanc
at the Wall Street Journal.
"Temporary" move that is easy because reactors are ready to roll with no modifications or upgrades or even new fuel at the moment.
Expect extensions beyond this.
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Myth: nuclear is too slow to combat climate change
Reality: nuclear has a proven, historical track record of being one of the *fastest* ways to scale up clean energy for deep decarbonization
Largest 10-Year deployments of electricity generation via Statistical Review of World Energy 2023.
More solar entries, Australia moves past half way. Can Finland, Norway and Sweden maintain the wind momentum?
#electricity
#energy
#rstats
#ggplot2
h/t
@EnergyInstitute
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Those are the deaths that’ve already occurred. What about future deaths?
The report estimates an additional 145 deaths may occur, from thyroid cancer. Dr. Thomas says this number may be on the high side based on the data collected from case histories of people affected.
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Similarly, antinuclear campaigners don't really discuss that reactors of the same design and size (RBMKs) are still operating near large European cities.
There are 8 of them left and, having been retrofitted after the 1986 accident, are still producing carbon-free power.
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Widespread fear of Chernobyl radiation across Europe led to an increase in elective abortions.
There was no medical justification for these abortions.
Nevertheless, this fear was reflected in a reduction in total births.
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The next-largest deployments are nuclear power.
That’s because — though nuclear plants take longer than industrial wind and solar facilities to build — they produce vastly more power once they’re on.
And importantly, they produce reliably & on-demand.
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"plus batteries" is doing a lot of work here
Here's a rough, back-of-the-envelope calculation of storage for the EU's energy needs met by "solar plus batteries"👇
@Rainmaker1973
Even solar plus batteries on a small section of Spain would solve EU energy needs
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Late at night on April 25, 1986, the reactor crew at Chernobyl 4 disabled the system’s automatic safety mechanisms and simulated an emergency to see what would happen to the plant’s safety in an emergency.
An hour after midnight, about 1 AM on April 26, things went wrong.
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Everyone should have the opportunity to get up close and personal with nuclear waste (mamas included!)
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The region around Chernobyl suffered a major economic setback when the plant was forced to shut down at the end of 2000 to satisfy European pressure.
Ukraine refused to do it until they got $4.5 billion (USD 2022) in part to fund the completion of two more nuclear reactors.
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Tell me you aren’t serious about reducing emissions without telling me you aren’t serious about reducing emissions
Every single Democrat on stage at the CA senate debate indicates that they support shutting down the last remaining nuclear power plant in the state.
Barbara Lee: "I don't support nuclear power."
Katie Porter: "Diablo canyon needs to be safely decommissioned."
Adam Schiff:…
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Yesterday, the same lawmakers in New York who frequently demand we Believe the Science instead went with Feels Over Reals, passing a bill to ban the release of wastewater from the shuttered Indian Point nuclear plant into the Hudson.
Here's what you need to know:
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One might say “those builds were in the past”
The UAE decided it wanted a nuclear program and broke ground on the Barakah NPP in 2011. It has already turned on 3/4 massive reactors.
Barakah will produce ~25% of UAE’s electricity at ~25% the cost of gas.
And just like that, the UAE has *doubled* its installed capacity of clean energy!
Barakah 1 should single-handedly produce more clean electricity by the end of the year than the entire country did in 2019.
Best part: there are 3 more reactors just like it on the way 🎉
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The test resulted in a massive surge of power, followed almost immediately by a steam explosion and, a few seconds later, a second explosion caused by what experts now believe was the ignition of flammable hydrogen gas.
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When people imagine nuclear meltdowns or worst-case scenarios, they’re imagining Chernobyl: a glowing reactor exposed to the environment and on fire, spewing radioactive particles.
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In today's installment of "Nuclear Regulation is Beyond Parody": THE TALE OF TOOMER'S CREEK
Years ago at Idaho National Lab, a small cask of spent fuel was being moved from the storage pool to the hot cell (a chamber for inspecting spent fuel)
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What are the environmental impacts of Chernobyl?
The United Nations has been tracking this for more than 30 years. Its findings were summarized in 2016 by EU researchers:
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From
@nytimes
: “Some workers at Chernobyl signaled their opposition to the shutdown by wearing black ribbons on their jumpsuits…workers unfurled banners that called the shutdown a tragedy and declared, ‘No!’ to the closing.”
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Extremely irresponsible from
@Bloomberg
Tritium has never been shown to cause any of these things
The “link” is that it emits radiation, which has been shown to increase cancer at high doses
At the doses in question, this is equivalent to saying “bananas are linked to cancer”
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Gerry Thomas is a molecular pathologist and the director of the Chernobyl tissue bank.
A few years ago, she walked me through the United Nation’s report on the health impacts of Chernobyl.
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Hydro and geothermal are constrained by geography & geology — not many places have the hydro resources (or low pops.) of the Nordic countries.
Zeihan acknowledges this in his latest book: “Hydropower has already used all available appropriate geographies globally.”
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Myth
#2
: No solution to the waste problem
“Until we solve the fuel containment issue…once it’s spent”
What waste problem?
MYTH: We don't have a solution to nuclear's "waste problem"
REALITY: Nuclear waste isn't a problem. In fact, it’s the best solution we have to meeting our energy needs while protecting the natural environment!
Here's what you need to know:
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In the days and weeks after the accident, an estimated 118,400 people were evacuated from a 30 kilometer radius of the plant. Eventually, about 350,000 people were relocated after the accident.
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Illinois's "nuclear bailout" has cost $0 to date and is resulting in a *$1 billion* return to consumers.
"When is the last time consumers got a billion dollars from anyone?"
"Bailout" has aways been BS — keeping nuclear online is an investment
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In his new book, Zeihan doesn’t say too much about nuclear energy. In the section on greentech he says, “Nuclear would first need a helluva PR campaign to sufficiently improve its image.”
Part of that campaign would require debunking the tired talking points he parroted on JRE.
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Decided to do a follow-up on the physics and culture of nuclear waste 👇🏼
When people want to talk about the waste, they want answers to two questions:
1. Is the waste safe today?
2. Is the waste safe after the apocalypse?
Let’s start with the first.
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“We have to produce…a plutonium disposal & management system — we haven’t figured out how to do that”
France & Japan have been making new fuel out of recovered plutonium for decades. Many reactors in Europe & Japan are licensed to use MOX & do.
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Personally, I’m partial to the Dutch Method: encouraging people to visit the waste!
Their waste facility is open to the public, contains an educational museum, and has large-scale art installations.
"WHAT ABOUT THE WASTE?"
Nuclear energy's got EXCELLENT waste: there's almost none of it, and it announces its presence reliably even w/ cheap detectors.
The Dutch have solved it: make the place with the waste HIGHLY ACCESIBLE, CLASSY, and most of all, FUN.
@ParisOrtizWines
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Many of the largest, wealthiest “environmental” groups care more about closing nuclear plants than they do about reducing emissions.
They scream “climate crisis!” as they petition against carbon-free power plants.
Three major environmental groups just filed a motion to stop California from relicensing its last nuclear power plant.
The groups say Diablo Canyon, which provides ~10% of the state's electricity, is "unnecessary" for California's energy supply.
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beautiful evening for an anti-nuclear concert powered by the most nuclear-heavy grid in the nation ✨
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Scoop: Biden is set to issue a $1.5B loan to restart a closed Michigan nuclear power plant, paving the way for a shuttered U.S. reactor to reopen for the first time.
Biden to Offer $1.5 Billion Loan to Restart Michigan Nuclear Power Plant | Bloomberg
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Hi new followers!
Figured I’d give a bit of background on who I am, what I'm working on, and why:
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In one week, Netflix will release “Meltdown: Three Mile Island”, a four-part documentary about the accident.
I've created an issue brief anyone can use, print, share, etc:
Communication around the show will be extremely important 🧵
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2021: Byron & Dresden ✅
2022: Diablo Canyon ✅
CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE HAS VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY TO KEEP DIABLO CANYON OPEN FOR AT LEAST 5 YEARS ✊🏼
history was made tonight. if we can extend nuclear power in california, we can do it everywhere! let’s go ☢️
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@bozavlado
We have good experience dealing with waste that remains toxic for far longer!
Most of the industrial waste we manage never gets less toxic over time.
Not in a million years. Not even in a billion.
Mercury, lead, cadmium, arsenic, etc. are all dangerous and remain so forever.
In rich countries, this waste is gathered up and stored without fanfare.
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“…they put it into a pond until the end of time”
That’s cute but not entirely accurate.
In the U.S., spent fuel bundles are placed inside concrete and steel casks and placed in rows near the reactors.
Everyone: But what about the waste??
Me: What about it?
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This doesn’t get talked about nearly enough!
Thanks to the nuclear legislation we championed back in 2021, households are getting an estimated $1 BILLION back over the course of a year.
More like “Based-Load Adjustment”
Our nuclear reactors are outperforming the market so much that we get fat discounts off our already-reasonable monthly electricity bills.
Meanwhile LA and NYC let scammers kill their local nuclear like a bunch of suckers, making them sitting ducks for weather disasters.
Sad!
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This has nothing to do with nuclear
In this case, Chernobyl is meant to signal “big scary industrial accident!”
Author goes on to say “Bhopal is probably a better comparison but it doesn’t hit as hard”
Wild that Bhopal doesn’t hit as hard given the massive disparity in deaths
Chernobyl Lite™️ is happening in Ohio right now but we’re not gonna know the extent of the disaster for another 10 years or so, huh
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Here's the kicker: turns out that the slag used as an aggregate in the blacktop was naturally high in thorium.
Thus, the new road was more radioactive than the material that had been dug up and sent off for long-term burial 🙃
The End.
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Day 1 at
#COP27
— here to share the good news about nuclear power with the world
It’s early, but there’s already incredible energy here. It’s going to be a great week.
#NetZeroNeedsNuclear
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The energy density of uranium means the amount of waste generated by nuclear power is extremely small compared to other energy sources.
@whatisnuclear
found U.S. coal plants made ~30 times more waste every single *day* than the US nuclear fleet has made in the past 45 years.
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An absolute f*cking clown show
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I’m proud to announce this Administration’s support to restart the Palisades Nuclear Plant.
Nuclear power is our single largest source of carbon-free electricity.
Our support would bring more resilient power to Michiganders while supporting and retaining good-paying union jobs.
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2010: the energy crunch is coming SOON and nuclear won’t come online until 2021/22
2022: the energy crisis is happening NOW and nuclear won’t come online fast enough to help
Let’s end this cycle now — it’s never too late to build
This is some grim real life dramatic irony: Nick Clegg opposing nuclear power in 2010 because it would only come on-stream by 2021 or 2022.
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@JBPritzker
’s veto message reads as if it was cut & pasted from the playbook of the fossil fuel lobby or anti-nuclear
@SierraClub
.
Given his past support for IL’s nuclear, we should consider the possibility that it actually has been.
My latest:
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“In academia, there is no difference between academia & the real world.
In the real world, there is.”
Given that scientists who study 100% renewable energy systems are unanimous that it can be done, why do we hear daily on twitter and everywhere else by those who don't study such systems that it can't be done?
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Dads across the Midwest would absolutely lose their minds if they saw this tweet
Homeowners and building managers know how severe freezing damage can be
When you reduce energy to "economics" it's easy to forget physical reality
Don't forget to turn off the heating when you leave for the break.
It matters. A lot.
Running a smallish radiator at highest level consumes around 2 kW. During a 2 week holiday that's 340 kWh.
With that energy you could power a 2 W lightbulb for almost 20 yrs non-stop!
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