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Orthodox convert; St. John Chrysostom; I’m w/ Monica; former Catholic; husband; father; grandfather; backpacker; lawyer; BU-Sic ‘em Bears!
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Today, we moved from Inquirers to Catechumens. We renounce Satan and all heterodox beliefs.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.
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Orthodoxy is worth an inquiry.
Don’t let the Catholics or Protestants tell you what Orthodoxy is.
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The more I come to understand and appreciate Orthodoxy, the more my heart breaks for faithful Catholics who are trying to reconcile today’s Catholic Church with Catholicism. They are being mentally and emotionally abused by the Vatican II hierarchy.
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I love being Orthodox…I loved being Catholic.
I don’t want to ever leave Orthodoxy…I miss Catholicism.
I love Orthodox prayer life…I miss my Catholic prayers.
The Divine Liturgy is so sweet, innocent, pure and enriching…I miss the Mass.
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After RigidCatholicwife tweeted that we’re going to Orthodoxy, some Catholics have kindly sent thoughtful comments, which we welcome & appreciate, but sadly, many Catholics have barraged us with name calling & declarations that we are going to hell and eternal damnation. Nice.
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Sadly, the Catholic Church is not what I thought it was when I converted. I studied hard for seven years before converting. I came from an evangelical background. I thought I was ready; I wasn’t. All claims should be studied out; take nothing at face value.
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I was in New Orleans for a wedding and attended vespers & Divine Liturgy at Holy Trinity Greek Orthodox Cathedral. Beautiful church. There was a nice crowd for DL, but I was literally the only person other than the priest & two chanters at Vespers. Why don’t more attend Vespers?
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RC & EO can quote mine papal primacy/supremacy ad infinitum, but in the end the ecumenical councils governed the church during the 1st millennium & ECs exercised control over Rome w/ no objection from Rome. In the 2d millennium, Rome claimed supreme authority over ECs.
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First Orthodox Lent for me and my wife. This fasting is legit - no meat, fish, eggs, dairy, olive oil, and wine.
We love Holy Orthodoxy!
Lord, help me, a sinner.
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Is it just me or do a lot of Catholics sound just like Protestants when they argue about theology? If you exchange sola scriptura for papal infallibility their arguments and their tone are virtually indistinguishable.
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One should understand the difference between self aggrandizing statements from popes and papal legates as compared to the actual canons of councils. In the end, I don’t blame the Catholic Church. I blame myself. It was all there but I didn’t see it.
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My main issues with the Catholic Church are annulment and remarriage, contraception, and the papacy.
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One pleasant surprise as we inquire into Orthodoxy is the caliber of preaching. We travel often & we’ve visited 5 parishes for Divine Liturgy: 2 Antiochian, 2 Greek, & 1 OCA. Each time, the sermons/homilies have been very, very good without drawing extra attention to the priest.
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@WallWatchmanRC
The rapture is not biblical. Reject heresy and prepare your soul for tribulation while you still can.
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@JeffCassman
The aspersions you cast against Orthodoxy are anything other than “honest debate.” Ryan Grant even kindly called out for your misstatements.
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It would be easier to stay RC & simply recognize & resist Rome as we deem appropriate, but that’s grave sin & not an option for Catholics. To be Catholic is to align your mind & will with that of the Pope. The # of Catholics who actually do that is very small, yet they remain RC.
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Under that reasoning, we in the USA need to stumble along for another 750+ years to the year 2788 AD before they “develop” what the US Constitution really means. Who knows better - those in 1788 when it was ratified or those in 2788?
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Just an inquirer, but the AFR show on women deacons wasn’t explaining & defending EO’s position in not having women deacons, but it welcomed debate on what is correct. Since EO doesn’t have women deacons, isn’t that the correct position? So AFR seemed to undermine church teaching
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Now, maybe you think that’s fine because it took 1,000 years to develop, or you think it’s better to have a supreme, all-powerful, unhindered pontiff for clarity, but it is a significant change after the first 1,000 years of the church.
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It was wonderful! 6+ hour liturgy last night. Absolutely beautiful.
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@DrKwasniewski
Resisting the pope = loss of salvation - see Vatican I, Vatican II, Catechism & Dr. of the Church St. Catherine of Siena:
“Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him…
we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope. SCS, p. 201-202, p. 222.
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@unifiedprolife
But Pope Francis had to step in and shut the Austin, Texas TLM down for the good of the church.
Give me a break.
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@TaylorRMarshall
Orthodox say “no” but Catholics say “yes”:
Catechism 841: “The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men…”
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In the Orthodox Church, we get to meet for Great Vespers tonight to prepare our hearts, minds and souls for Divine Liturgy tomorrow morning.
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Every Orthodox parish is fully and wholly catholic. It was all the catholicism anyone could ever need.
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Great Compline tonight. Beautiful. Thank you, Lord, for Holy Orthodoxy.
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@Marshals_RRABL
I agree with these points, but they don’t support Vatican I+ papal supremacy. That’s the problem. Catholics demonstrate papal primacy and then inflate it into papal supremacy.
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@Christojt
I suspect you are probably correct. I’m imprudent and impatient at times, and yet God still calls us. Lord have mercy on me a sinner.
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Is it just me or are the Great Complines and all of the prostrations this week REALLY HARD?
…and I love it.
Saint Mary of Egypt, pray for us.
Have mercy on me, oh God, have mercy on me.
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My point is contraception is rampant in the Catholic Church and it’s hardly ever addressed by church leadership. So it’s on the books as wrong, but not enforced. That’s an issue.
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It’s just easier to say when we don’t fast than when we do.
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2 chapters after the rock & keys scrips in Matthew, the disciples are disputing which 1 would be greatest.
Jesus doesn’t say Peter. No, He says the least among them will be great. To be first, be last. Be humble, a servant.
No room for a supreme, all-powerful, unhindered Pope
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@MilitantThomist
But didn’t the Catholics approve the reinstatement of Photius and reject the Filioque at the 8th Ecumenical Council in 880?
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Catacombs of Commodilla, 4th century, in Rome with inscription “don’t say the secrets aloud”. Orthodox.
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@Catholicizm1
Married at 20 - best decision I ever made. Paid for wedding ring on layaway at Montgomery Ward. Poor and in college waiting tables. Student loan debt. First child at 22. Then law school. Mom stayed home with kids. 33 years later, kids now grown and I’m planning to retire early.
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Is it a misnomer to call the church of the west the “Catholic Church” or the “Roman Catholic Church”or would it be more accurate to call it the “Papal Supremacy Church”, since the Orthodox Church is fully catholic and fully Roman but not the church of papal supremacy?
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@kennedyhall
It fits nicely with the Protestant desire for comfort and pleasure in this life instead of sacrifice and denial of the flesh.
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Today at church…
Please forgive me, I am a sinner.
God forgives you and I forgive you.
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The Catholic Church I attended is administering sacraments of initiation tonight at the Easter Vigil Mass to catechumens and candidates who are cohabitating and living as husband and wife.
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Russia’s president can sit for hours and spew off detail after detail for a 1500 hundred year time period including names and dates and our president can’t even remember he was vice president just seven years ago.
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Blessed to be in town this morning and able to attend Divine Liturgy at St. Sava with Father Photius!
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Catholics to Protestants:
some of your teachings are clearly wrong bc they are nowhere to be found in the first 1500 years of the Church!
Orthodox to Catholics:
some of your teachings are clearly wrong because they are nowhere to be found in the first 1000 years of the Church!
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@DrKwasniewski
Haha - so one day we’ll thank them for restricting the TLM because we will finally realize that all along it was actually good for us. Unbelievable.
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@EdsPurgatory
@Michael_Haz
Ed - depending on the type of bankruptcy, they might not have to pay because the debt will be dismissed in time. You should tell them to make the abusers work to pay restitution.
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@michaelbd
Not gonna lie, Pope Francis’ issues caused us to honestly consider Orthodoxy & take a deeper look into the papacy. Eye opening. Pope Francis merely exposed the errors & fallacies. If Cd. Burke becomes pope tomorrow, we’ll continue to Orthodoxy. Others should similarly investigate
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@TaylorRMarshall
@ShadowHodl
Thank you Dr. Marshall. This pope is causing anxiety, confusion and mental anguish for many of the faithful, but we must deal with the reality of the situation. The pope specifically intended to authorize a blessing for a same sex couple and that’s exactly what he did. Hard stop.
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@strivetobekind
Given this fire storm, I’m afraid my wife just unintentionally fired the first shot of World War III.
Thank you for your kind and thoughtful response. I will review and be in touch. God bless you, too.
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@HonoraryRoman
@bro_ortho
Can’t survive a crisis? For half of its existence (over a millennium) Orthodoxy has been subjected to 1) excommunication & persecution from the RCC for rejecting Rome’s papal innovations, 2) Muslim invaders, & 3) communist tyranny. Orthodoxy has survived and flourished, my friend
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@ShaneSchaetzel
Geez, there are a few new ones on there for me. Surprised they haven’t tied us to global cooling, acid rain, global warming, depletion of the ozone, cancer, and the southern border crisis!
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@emzanotti
You’ve misunderstood her position. She’s saying Pope Francis’ issues caused her to take a deeper look into the history & foundation of the papacy, and she found it is built, not on rock, but sand. Pope Francis merely exposed the error for her. Others should similarly investigate.
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@quoodle1
@EdwardPentin
Not so. He wouldn’t meet with Cardinal Zen, Mike Pompeo and the Dalai Lama. He wouldn’t allow a photo with Kim Davis. He’s ignored Dubia Cardinals.
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@LPhitney
I suspect you know better and that Vatican II’s Lumen Gentium 25 requires submission of the laity’s mind & will with reverence & sincere adherence to the pope’s documents, doctrinal teachings, and speeches, even if the pope is not speaking ex cathedra. Vatican I requires the same
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@ProtecttheFaith
Hmm, sounds like a large majority voted for the church to join the Episcopalians.
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Saw this from St. Gregory the Great, Doctor of the Church (590): “I say it without the least hesitation, whoever calls himself the universal bishop, or desires this title, is, by his pride, the precursor of antichrist, because he thus attempts to raise himself above the others.”
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@DigestTom
It’s magisterial & infallible when the teaching is initially declared & for so long thereafter as it appears to be correct, but once it’s been proven false, then it retroactively becomes non-magisterial, not a matter of faith and morals, not ex-cathedra, etc. Sadly, a shell game.
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Catholics often say Protestants don’t know/acknowledge the first 1500 years of the church. But I wonder if Catholics know/acknowledge the first 1000 years of the Church when the Pope had primacy & honor, not supremacy, infallibility & universal jurisdiction over the whole church.
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@DrKwasniewski
Tucho is a pervert and Francis will leave him hanging out to dry to protect his own reputation-that’s why he had Tucho author Fiducia Supplicans.
Francis likes to float bombshell balloons thru others in order to check the wind, & if there’s stiff resistance then he’ll back off.
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@greta
Oh no, you see the men who intentionally murdered him were Black, so it was just a bike crash because to say Black men murdered a white man would be racist.
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@iOnly_die_n_lag
@DrKwasniewski
They are - she’s a doctor of the church, so her teachings are faithful to Catholic teaching and have authority. Vatican I, Vatican II, and the catechism all say a Catholics cannot resist the teachings of the pope.
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@matthewpao1
Vatican II’s Lumen Gentium 25 requires submission of the laity’s mind & will with reverence and sincere adherence to the pope’s documents, doctrinal teachings, and speeches, even if the pope is not speaking ex cathedra.
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@langluigi_
It appears the response of Catholic X is to cancel anyone who makes effective and respectful arguments in support of Orthodoxy.
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@langluigi_
Because it is very hard for Catholics who know history to remain in the Novus Ordo church. They are trying to remain Catholic and faithful to Catholicism.
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@byzantinetx
My understanding is “deaconess” refers to a limited non-ordained service role whereas “female deacon” refers to a role equal to a current (male) deacon.
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@JeffCassman
He claims the pope is not only bad but “evil” - that violates a # of Catholic claims re the papacy.
Papal supremacy had a good run but it’s been exposed. Catholics cannot resist the pope so they have to follow a bad, “evil” pope into error. That’s really sad. Jesus have mercy.
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@TheRealLogosT
So does RCC - approval of divorce:
698 St. Theodore of Canterbury;
826 Pope Eugenius, Synod of Rome, Canons 8 & 36;
853 Pope Leo IV;
731 Pope Gregory II;
735 Synod of Verberie Canons 5 & 11;
750 Pope Zachary;
868 Council of Worms;
1031 Councils of Bourges & Limoges
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Enjoyed visiting St. John the Wonderworker parish in Atlanta, GA today for Divine Liturgy. It’s a very welcoming OCA parish!
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@MementoMori_JMJ
@TheBabylonBee
Or better yet, in an act of mercy, rebellious faith -denying Protestant allowed into purgatory and learns God is Catholic after all.
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@ShaneSchaetzel
But you are required to sincerely adhere your mind and will to his teachings, Shane. There’s not such thing as a Catholic who resists or rejects the pope.
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@langluigi_
It looks like your church has good attendance for Vespers. Our little mission church will have 25-30 people for Divine Liturgy on Sundays but only 3-4 for Vespers on Saturdays. Is such a small attendance as vespers typical?
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@black_ortho
Yes. Recovering 20 year Catholic convert from Protestantism who is now an Orthodox inquirer.
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Wow-thought control-it’s red, but you cannot think or say it’s red.
Cdl. Fernández-new statement: “there is no room to distance ourselves doctrinally from this Declaration [Fiducia Supplicans] or to consider it heretical, contrary to the Tradition of the Church or blasphemous.”
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@CatholicDwong
Don’t spread forgeries. We know this for sure:
St. Gregory (590): “I say it without the least hesitation, whoever calls himself the universal bishop, or desires this title, is, by his pride, the precursor of antichrist, because he thus attempts to raise himself above the others”
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@spes_man
I don’t think these prove that you think they do. There was a council, against Leo’s wishes. The Tome was submitted to the bishops for review. After careful study, the bishops approved it. Neither reveal the papacy of Vatican I by any stretch. Next?
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How many Roman Catholics are there who:
1) don’t support contraception; and
2) sincerely submit their mind and will to the teachings, doctrines and speeches of the pope?
However many there are, and I suspect it’s a small %, they are the RCs in good standing with the RCC.
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@Kaleb_Atlanta
We can also say…Catholics who follow Pope Francis in communion with Catholics who say Pope Francis is a heretic in communion with Catholics who attend the Novus Ordo mass in communion with Catholics who reject the Novus Ordo mass as invalid.
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