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Shubble made a point to state she’s chosen to talk about her abuse publicly because she realized by not talking about it at all, she was protecting her abuser’s identity. She said she felt he was dangerous and would do it to someone again and didn’t want anyone else to get hurt.
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states in her vod that he is a famous person, and thus has a platform and the means to do this to more women — is extremely harmful. You’re protecting an abuser by ignoring the signs. She said as much as she could not directly that her abuser was Wilbur.
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Shelby shared her story as a form of empowerment; it is brave of her to share it. And to choose to be willfully ignorant about the signs pointing to who her abuser might be, when there’s anecdotal evidence which point to a specific name, for a good reason — especially when she
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Shelby’s abuser being Wilbur isn’t the point of this. The point is she overcame something horrific and has the bravery to share it eloquently and publicly. She is admirable for that. But do not suppress how the facts line up. She said herself she no longer wishes to protect him.
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So stop protecting Wilbur and introspect on why you’re fighting so hard to not speculate on this. She is commendable for sharing and it’s not wrong to acknowledge there are things that align from the stories other people have told about him in the past. Do not suppress the facts.
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Just leaving this here so there’s proof of Wilbur’s recurring ant infestation problem that Shelby specifically anecdotally noted.
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@CosmoNotfound_
Oh get a fucking life and take that cringe ass hashtag out of your name your entire account and existence in this fandom is a plight of secondhand embarrassment get the fuck off my account and remember that Shelby herself said she DOES NOT WANT TO PROTECT HER ABUSER ANYMORE.
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Regardless of the current situation, the amount of virtue signaling you do is absurd, especially when so many people know that you acted disrespectfully with past female content creator friends who have vagued you.
Don’t act like this with skeletons in your closet.
@GeorgeNotFound
huh? what in the living fuck? literally what the shit could you possibly come up with that doesn't make this weird as fucking hell? Literally underaged drinking and freaky ass shit bro. Just stop man.
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And throwing this last thing in here for good measure (same Lexie in both screenshots, same Rhianna in the ant infestation screenshot).
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@RobboNeverDies
So your original tweet is a lie? This isn’t a ‘correction’. Were you or were you not present when he got slapped? That happened in September. These stories seem entirely separate, if they even are true.
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The fact that you guys are more concerned about (publicly available) ‘private information’ over Quackity potentially giving his serial groomer brother (who he never condemned, FYI) co-ownership power in his massive ‘passion project’ shows where your true priorities lie, btw.
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Some food for thought.
@catlyncrespo
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the discourse from random men is SO tiring. we KNOW you don’t think touching women without asking is a big deal. that’s why it happens everywhere everyday. even when we’re uncomfortable. maybe, just for once, you listen to the women and girls expressing discomfort and do better.
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There is one name being overwhelmingly connected to this situation.
If that name is innocent, it takes nothing to state that.
If they’re guilty, it can cost everything.
As Shelby stated, there are countless reasons why people don’t name their abusers.
But don’t be ignorant.
coming on twitter only to say this. "if she wanted to name him, she would" stop saying this. it's a lie. there are a lot of reasons a victim might not name their abuser. don't tell them it's because they don't want to.
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If you’ve seen them acting/talking badly with women “behind the scenes” and continued to publicly associate with them then I’m judging them, and you too. You SHOULD feel complicit.
Also major side eye because of your association to Mizkif who has also done awful shit to women.
ik it’s a long video but everyone needs to watch what connor said.
“the way that circle talks about and treats women behind the scenes”
“i have seen the way that circle has talked about women behind the scenes and what they have done to girls which are not my stories to share”
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Fans were out of line and you did not deserve to get attacked. Though I do think rehashing this incident when it was addressed and handled quickly and maturely in 2021 is disingenuous of you.
Summary of everything can be seen here:
thinkin about the time a certain big creator stole my artwork and put it on their merch and their fans harrassed and threatened me for calling them out. then when the creator admitted to using my artwork the fans carried on harrassing me claiming i manipulated the cc for clout
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‘cause you have no balls
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@Blue_x_Birb
@CosmoNotfound_
She never said do not speculate. I watched her vod twice. By saying she said this, you're putting words into her mouth.
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“Shelby said not to speculate” — no she didn’t. She never said that. You are creating false quotes. Not once in her vod does she say this. She goes out of her way to imply the opposite by saying she no longer wishes to protect his peace with her silence.
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@CosmoNotfound_
“I’m standing with her and what she said. She doesn’t want us pointing fingers at anyone till she tells us who it is.” SHE NEVER SAID THIS. You are making things up. Oh my god it’s beyond delusional.
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Parody accounts making jokes at the expense of real people’s trauma is never going to be funny. Reposting and interacting with this shit only encourages them to do it more.
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I mean, congrats on showing exactly what a smear campaign is by deliberately misconstruing the most unserious interaction (i.e. taking a TikTok of you shitting in your friend’s sister’s bathroom?) and turn it into something nefarious. You totally have good intentions here. 👍
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@Blue_x_Birb
@CosmoNotfound_
I’m absolutely not pushing her for an answer. I never once asked her to confirm or deny. Speculation ≠ deduction of facts, the second of which I was doing.
I am uplifting her story. I’m also not protecting a potential abuser.
If it’s proven not to be him, I’ll take this down.
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@cozyscupid
Okay I hope you have fun fighting for the rights of Intellectual Cat Beanie property tonight good day sir.
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@CosmoNotfound_
I asked for a clip. You provided none. “Rewatch” — unlike you I DID. Because you’re putting fake words into her mouth, fighting for something she said herself she does not want to do: protect an abuser with her silence.
She never said not to speculate. Please get a fucking grip.
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@RuiIsInHell
Your points are fair, I even agree with your thread, but this is not the time.
It makes the community look awful, it reflects badly on Dream, and it isn’t the time to be going to bat for this, unless she mentions him by name.
All your thread does is pour gasoline on fire.
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@RuiIsInHell
I get caring about this specific behaviour of hers because I also do but I could not imagine caring about it more than not complicating a story about someone speaking out with them disliking a content creator and smearing his name. I’m sorry but that will never be my priority.
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@prettybun9
She did want her fans to do that. She also said, and I quote, “Silence was my peace, but now I feel as if my silence is my abusers peace.”
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@RuiIsInHell
Why do you care what she knows? She’s never spoken to him in her life and is best friends with people like Harry who stand on nothing. She clearly knows nothing.
Her likes are just blatant dranti bs, and I’m not sure why you care when you’ve never spoken of her before now.
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@RuiIsInHell
Considering she’s speaking against Wilbur it is not the priority to discuss her disliking D for whatever made up reasons when she doesn’t know him. It muddies the waters undoubtedly.
He worries the community makes it harder for victims to speak and this contributes directly.
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@beIowthewaist
@Iovingdream
It is proven that his Google voice number is the one connected, since when he first created his TikTok account. It’s around ~25:00 minutes into the video.
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@CosmoNotfound_
Also you’re an idiot because I’m also an abuse victim and she all but named him directly by giving a thousand clues as to who he was. You’re being deliberately obtuse ignoring what’s in front of you and fighting for the right to protect an abuser.
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@brizzington69
I don’t care about other fandoms, especially fictional ones. In this one, respectfully, the cc we are here for made his wishes very clear.
Invest in a private account and go crazy with all the NSFW you want but don’t expect people to let this be normalized on main anymore.
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I hope you get ratioed and lose your Coachella gig and get side-eyed by every friend you have in this space because what you did that to that woman is fucking disgusting and demeaning and men like you do not deserve the opportunities to take advantage of kind women like that
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Such an incredibly harmful take with hinges on the entire fact that he did not ask. And the assumption that she might’ve said yes. Which even if she did, she was drunk.
We have no way of knowing what would’ve happened; that is the entire point of consent existing or not existing.
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Not only do you not own the concept of cat beanies, unless you trademarked them yourself which I know you didn’t as they’ve existed for years, you were not held at gunpoint to make those damn hats.
I understand the feeling of betrayal is tough but focusing on this is ridiculous.
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You genuinely not only think too much of your own self-importance but also seem to take things too personally.
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@CosmoNotfound_
Please show a clip of her saying do not speculate about who my abuser is from her recent vod, right now. It does not exist. You are making up shit to protect a potential abuser.
She said and I quote, “Silence was my peace but now I feel as if my silence is this person’s peace.”
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Are you insane? You’re accusing admins of embezzlement right now. If that was occurring it would have been explicitly clear and there would be a paper trail leading to prove it. That is a serious crime, way worse than not paying people livable wages. Think before you speak.
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A good reminder, which applies to Boomer as well – for the people reading this.
In the most cynical way possible, I am always wary of creators who insert themselves into situations. Hoping it’s not just posturing for internet brownie points.
A reminder to stop idolizing and regarding 90% of content creators as absolute saints. You don't know these people and you will NEVER know the shit that they do till it comes out. You only see the sides of them that they WANT you to see.
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“Supports the parasocial fuck” I fear YOU’RE the parasocial fuck. Please get a job and stop creeping this poor woman’s likes, she hasn’t said a single thing since everything happened. You’re the ones who can’t bear to leave her alone.
Y’all call me crazy. She supports that parasocial fuck? What are y’all going to say to excuse this? I’ll wait.
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@nep4o4
Yes and that behaviour should be vagued. But your tweet makes us look awful AND reflects horribly on Dream, too.
In his statement he even goes out of his way to apologize for his community & reputation making it harder for victims to speak out. This shit contributes to that.
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@RuiIsInHell
She’s not the first or last someone that is going to pretend to know Dream is a horrible person.
Once again I don’t get dying on this hill especially at this specific time but you’ve shown where your priorities are and I’ve shown mine so further conversation will be unproductive.
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@Leasagne_
Scrolling through your media tab and just wanted to say that you work is really beautiful. I’m sorry you weren’t paid fairly for any of it, you deserved better.
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Blatant whataboutism.
You connected it to Tommy. They didn’t name him; you are the one who thought it fit him.
You claim they’re turning this into “drama” yet all you are doing is twisting an abuse survival story into a stan war when it does not involve Tommy OR Dream.
Do better.
Wow, that's crazy you took these tweets out of context and not the one where I took it all back
You gonna give me context for Dream making sexual jokes to Tommy when he was 16 years old and to Tubbo's younger sister when she was 13?
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@cheesecat25
Hey Nat, I mean this in the kindest way possible. I want to know what makes you think it’s okay to spread intimate stories of someone on the internet which are none of your 6.6K followers business? I’m not saying you’re a liar but I think it’s pretty invasive and gross to spread.
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You would think a community who allows their favourite creator the room to speak his mind in an emotional and sometimes impulsive way publicly would also allow that for female creators too. To judge her on it when you strive not to judge Dream for it reeks of misogyny.
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You don’t care about “respect”.
You hurt her until she bruised, changed the location of the bruises to categorically cover it up.
You ignored her safe word. Pushed her to it gleefully.
Do not threaten her with exposing texts then play it off as some generous respect for privacy.
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@RuiIsInHell
Her posts also distracts from the main point, and she’s using this to turn a situation about abuse into drama. Which honestly I don’t like but by reposting her you just help her do that and open the door for her to say more.
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Your feelings are unfair.
She’s allowed to feel however she likes about her close male friend violating one of her peers boundaries.
Hannah has not commented since it first hit. She’s allowed to be emotional in that moment. She hasn’t spoken since things became ‘clearer’.
not disagreeing with any of what you are saying what this is not even me talking in the ss I'm just voicing how I feel about her MY OWN FEELINGS about how I feel about her now as a fan after now that the accusations are cleared up, leave me alone damn who are you to tell me this
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@junsei_op
It’s hopeless out here if this is the first thing they list as a reason to prove he’s such an awful person. 😭
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Both cases are rooted in similar facts which is where the nuance comes into play. Both Punz and George /believed/ they received consent, when in reality, they did not. This is the lesson being learned. The severity of what occurred is the primary difference (groping vs sex).
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@ShishiNROB2580
No, actually, you care too much.
I’m just fighting on behalf of my fellow women. And I find this kind of attitude towards her incredibly worrying.
But keep up the misogyny! Xx
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@nep4o4
I never claimed you to be a horrible person. You just impulsively reactively tweeted. It happens to the best of us. Just try to think about the repercussions!
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He addressed the racism, pretty thoughtfully, May 2022:
If you recognize the allegations were false, then I’d hope you also watched the video where he very clearly went out of his way to explain what happened with the ‘housing abuser’ situation too.
note says im refrencing the grooming allegations like ok?lets put words in my mouth!
what im referencing is him being friends with awful people, his racist past he still refuses to address, and his housing of an abuser with the only excuse being "i didnt know, he was my friend"
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What a fucking absurd and disgusting thing to put into the universe.
I feel horrible for connecting these dots but Harvey Weinstein got MeTood and now all the new actresses are kinda ugly
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@betoolame
The irony of throwing in “pedophile brother lives with him” with Q in their header like I know you aren’t talking right now…
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The priority here is supporting Shubble and naming her abuser (since legally she cannot), but you’ve spent the past week debating it being abuse, only ‘believed’ her when others joined despite her being a reputable source on her own, and turning this into cc drama. Fucking gross.
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