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An incomplete list of arguments/criticisms/general rhetoric that will cause me to ignore anything you say
- Rhetoric about a creator's personal understanding/respect/love/fandom or lack thereof
- Hyperbole, exaggeration or outright bullshit
- Making things personal in general
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@cavalierremedy
Not a movie but the ending of this episode of Black Mirror still haunts me
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People on here talk way too much about Scorsese and Denis Villeneuve and Ridley Scott's dislike of superhero films and not enough Pedro Almodovar's take
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@avaanoel
@darlasdudley
On the same note, someone being articulate and able to talk very fast or for long periods doesn't make them intelligent
It's usually a way to make sure no one notices they don't have much of value to say
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@miyafilms
Find someone who loves you as much as Chris Nolan loves practical effects/hates using CGI
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Me seeing MCU fans realize Andrew Garfield was a great Spider-man all along after he appeared in an MCU film
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Warning about the first episode of Moon Knight
There's a scene during a car chase where a truck gets turned over and wrecked
I bring it up because it's clear that some folks on here are REALLY fucking sensitive about damage to trucks in superhero media
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@AMagicWriter
People wonder why Bruce doesn't use his money to just fix Gotham
He can't because Clark keeps volunteering his fortune to clean up the messes the team makes
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@andrealongchu
I really wish more directors now had Kenneth Branagh's energy of not giving even the slightest fuck about what people think
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@prosebforebros
While we're at it, let's stop the "if you kill him, you'll be no different" nonsense
I want the hero to respond that they'd be killing to stop the villain while the villain was killing for fun so no, the two are not the same at all
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Clark saving his arch enemy is a far more powerful Superman moment than him smiling or giving a speech about hope
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@PixelArtist95
@CaptainGalxy
I'd describe it as less "indie people" and more the "right-wing media folks"
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@JohnDiLillo
This just proves he was the only right choice to take over for Harrison Ford
I will go to bat for his performance in the film though
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I actually agree with nerds about Batman and Superman killing
If they do, they stop being symbols and paragons of virtue that others can look up to
I mean, can you imagine a hero who has killed being the leader and moral compass of a universe of superheroes?
It’s impossible
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@dillydingdong3
@Iastyrwasweird
Alternatively
Someone: I hope you know what you're doing
Lovable rogue action hero: So do I
And all variations
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"Joss Whedon might be awful but he does understand and know how to write Superman"
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I'd rather see DC films get hated for being their own thing and trying to push the genre forward than praised for being exactly like Marvel films and trapping the genre in an endless loop of the same kind of films forever which is exactly what many people seem to want
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I actually agree with certain people that Henry Cavill deserved better
He deserved a studio that didn't actively try to sabotage films he was in and refuse to do anything with him afterwards
He deserved Superman fans who let him be his own version, not a repeat of another
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Imagine if that money had gone to Covid research
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If you're still so upset about Clark killing Zod in MOS that you need a new film to retcon it away, you are everything I detest about modern fans, especially Superman fans
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@JoseRay99
@hawkofkrypton
Ah, the old "I made people mad so I must be telling an uncomfortable truth" bit
The logic of edgy comment sections the world over
The far more likely idea that people might just think you're an arsehole doesn't seem to ever occur to people who like to use it
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If I can only have one casting choice in the new X-Men happen, I'm pushing for this
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I feel like we should talk a bit more about how when Cathy Yan made an r-rated Harley Quinn film, she was blamed for it's failure as young kids couldn't see it but when James Gunn did the same and got the same result, the same nerds chastising Yan made excuses for him
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2016: "A real DC fan is willing to criticize decisions made in the comics, TV shows and films because they care enough to want to see them be better"
2021: "A real DC fan has no criticisms of any kind and completely supports everything the studio does without question"
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I don't mind if Ben Affleck is done with Batman but the way many people are trying to frame it as him making an entirely independent choice and ignoring the toxic studio environment he said played a part in him wanting to leave, one that's still there, doesn't sit right with me
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@slfricky
@mymyatwaterloo
Yeah Riverdale has caused people to notice that the CW and teen shows in general have a questionable history of objectifying and sexualizing teenage characters played by adult actors
Even actual underage teen actors still get traces of such treatment as Titans has shown
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@CeybaSol
@JoshuaPHilll
I’m kind of glad that we didn’t get the “heartwarming” version where she got a $1.25 raise in gratitude
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I kind of love the irony of Superman fans complaining about Jesus symbolism while also wanting Clark to be a perfect being who is above all human sins and temptation, NEVER slips up, makes mistakes or has to make tough decisions and will save humanity with his superior morality
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"It is April 2017 and Geoff Johns is about to save DC"
"It is July 2018 and Patty Jenkins is about to save DC"
"It is December 2019 and JJ Abrams is about to save DC"
"It is May 2021 and Walter Hamada is about to save DC"
"It is March 2024 and James Gunn is about to save DC"
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Superman saving his arch enemy who had kidnapped and tried to murder his mother mere moments ago is the most Superman thing DCEU Superman has done yet
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@MrNarci
@Srirachachau
Thank you for saying that as no one else has made that joke and I was worried that I'd have to.
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@claire__mrcl
@HeatherAntos
Here's the outrage
God damn THE PUNISHER Netflix show is so good.
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"Give Gunn a chance to make a new kind of Superman film and DC universe instead of being hung up on past portrayals"
Like you gave Zack Snyder a chance?
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One more thing:
The usual "I would've supported the Snyder Cut release but fans were so mean" claims are complete bullshit
I was there and I remember all the snide remarks, insults and claims it didn't exist/still would've been bad and so on
It's pure historical revisionism
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"Snyder and Affleck shouldn't be forced to go back to a toxic work environment"
"So you agree that WB is a toxic studio that treats it's talent badly, exactly as ZS fans have been saying?"
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"Accept that WB are going in a different direction to what you'd like with DC films and move on"
Like you did in 2016?
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If this is legit and they actually are using Keaton as the new Batman to erase/replace Affleck, I'm officially done with DC films
I love the characters and the actors involved but I have no interest in seeing the films reduced to cheap nostalgia created by incompetent executives
Batgirl credits and synopsis from WB’s 2022 Preview press release reveals Michael Keaton will be appearing in the HBO Max film 🦇
#Batgirl
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@rkylesmith
I didn't particularly like WW84 but changing it's classification on a site is a strange to be happy about or take some kind of pride in
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If you're willing to side with WB and their horrific mistreatment of actors solely because they're on the opposing side to "Snyder cultists", please never talk about how you think Superman should be portrayed ever again
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It's funny to read about the production of the Keaton/Reeve Batman and Superman films
How Keaton was HATED by fans for not fitting their image of Bruce and how Burton was fired after Returns because his work affected sponsorship deals, leading Keaton to walk with him
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"It is November, 2017 and a new portrayal has saved Superman after Zack Snyder tarnished him""
"It is February, 2021 and new portrayal has saved Superman after Zack Snyder tarnished him""
"It is July 2023 and new portrayal has saved Superman after Zack Snyder tarnished him"
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Fans who think Superman's entire character can be boiled down to that panel from All-Star Superman
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@mattxiv
If hearing people advocate for not massacring civilians offends you, you really have to ask if you’re in the right
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People wondering what Zack Snyder has done to earn such a devoted fanbase are asking the wrong question.
They should instead be asking what he's done to earn such an intense level of hatred that has long since become personal, even from professionals.
That's the bigger question
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I honestly feel bad for comic book fans who only seem to care about Superman having red trunks or smiling or Cyborg saying "booyah!" or believe a lack of such moments is evidence of "hating" them
Imagine your love for a character being so dependent on such minor elements
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"ZS fans will never be happy if Superman isn't exactly like they want" say the people who spent years furiously demanding the character be "fixed" to suit their preferences and making ugly edits with trunks, brighter costumes and spit curls or the John Williams music
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Since "real DC fans" have determined that anyone who doesn't like James Gunn's style of humor is against humor and levity of any kind in CB media, I'm using the same logic to declare that said fans' dislike of ZS's DC films means they can't stand anything serious with superheroes
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@bigt1nystank
Don't worry
There's still the chance that it will get great reviews but bomb at the box office like West Side Story or The Last Duel
The fight is not over yet
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@lyleleander
@ben_rosen
Yeah but then you have a look on your face afterwards that implies it brought you no pleasure and was simply a distraction from regrets about you work and/or a way of having even some fleeting human connection which the nature of your work generally denies you
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"Accept that some DC media won't be for you and move on, don't get angry at creators who make stuff you dislike, let others enjoy stuff and focus on what you like rather than what you don't"
- Folks who spent the entirety of 2013-2017 doing the exact opposite
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@KeiziTV
@LilChonkz
I agree
He's bald and a businessman and...bald...and...
Well, I'm sure Lex has other traits
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@JohnDiLillo
It's a perfect example of the attitude nerds encourage that studios are too quick to listen to, the idea that if you try something new and it doesn't work out, you need to immediately retreat to what's familiar and do that indefinitely and never try to deviate from it again
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@TomZohar
If this is supposed to be some smoking gun about Joaquin Phoenix that paints him as a bad dude, I'm not seeing it.
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@bambipaisen
It's basically that "who do you think gave you the heart?" meme from the mid/late 2000's in cinematic form
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Me seeing the same nerds who were and continue to be absolutely horrible to Zack Snyder now lecture everyone about being nice to creators:
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@AbeGoldfarb
That kind of edgy humor, the kind where you brag about "triggering" people, is a lot like slapstick. It's a young man's game.
Gervais will be in his sixties soon enough and the fact that he still thinks provoking people is the same as being funny is honestly a bit sad.
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@troyoboyo17
And if you called people "bullies" and "toxic" for that behavior and are now doing the same thing or expecting them to intervene on behalf of a film you want to see, that makes you the biggest hypocrite in the solar system
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If you think Zack Snyder is to blame for anyone who isn't into Superman or finds him "boring" or whatever, I refuse to take anything you say seriously
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@IntergalacticQ
That press tour is going to be awkward as fuck
I fully expect Disney to just force journalists not to ask questions about it and it becomes the elephant in the room
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@BenjaminCrew1
I really hope they imply Val is a relative of Elaine's and integrate Seinfeld into that universe
I want to know how George dealt with the snap
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Jesse Eisenberg was a great Lex Luthor and Bryan Cranston is a boring, uninspired alternate choice.
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@bongjoonwhore
I want to make it EXTREMELY clear to everyone here that this guy is NOT a DC fan
His YT channel is filled with videos about Marvel "winning" over DC with thumbnails of him in the midst of a fan orgasm at the idea
There are plenty of clowns among DC fans but he's not one of them
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If you sided against Ray Fisher or are okay with him being left behind so you don't have to have reminders of his struggles messing up your enjoyment of future DC films, I never want to hear a goddamn word from you about how characters like Superman should be portrayed ever again
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@ValerieComplex
This is probably the most awkward talk show interview outside of the Murray Franklin scene in Joker.
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@l_kingly
I agree and I don't
I agree that studios and creators should always focus on their own vision rather than trying to chase appeasement
But I also think studios need to provide something in place of what fans are calling for which is where some (*cough* WB) fall short
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@killdonggr
@HiTopFilms
Literally his first scene was him rescuing and consoling a kid
This is why some fans think detractors don't even watch the fucking films they complain so much about
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@WakeInShite
I love Cameron and he's by all accounts matured a lot since Titanic but using him as an example of a guy who cares about his crew is...yeah, maybe not a hill you should die on.
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@arianadearmas
And ZSJL isn't even considered canon to WB
I can't see a single reason for this beyond stupidity, petulance or some wretched combination of the two as seems to be behind a lot of WB's behavior the past decade
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I can't stress enough that no one, not a single person, dislikes the John Williams theme for Superman
They just want Cavill and other versions to have their own music made specifically for their portrayals of the characters
It's as simple as that
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MF's will really try to blame a director who hasn't been involved in DC films for five years for the supposed failure of subsequent films due to their "tarnishing the brand" rather than admit that the studio is just fucking terrible at what they do
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Some of y'all Superman fans have never read a single Superman story other than All-Star Superman and even then, just that one scene with Regan and it shows
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The praise for James Gunn for saving DC before he’s actually done anything is a frustrating reminder of how nerds actively refuse to learn from history
This is the same hype given to Geoff Johns, Patty Jenkins, Joss Whedon, Matt Reeves and even JJ Abrams
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"Even with his behavior, I'd still love to see Joss Whedon direct a Superman film as him making Clark smile and give speeches about hope shows he understands him better than Snyder" is a take which sums up everything I hate about Superman fans and modern superhero fans as a whole
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@yesthatCarlo
I didn't see Britney Spears emerging as an advocate for unions but I'm here for it all the same.
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Bloggers: "We're sick of gritty, bleak, nihilistic, grimdark CBM's. Give us a hopeful, optimistic, fun, light-hearted, hopeful Batman film!"
Matt Reeves:
Matt Reeves: "Anyway, here's my dark, grounded, violent, Fincher inspired Batman film with a Nirvana song in the trailer"
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My only request for the new Superman film is that whoever directs it doesn't treat MOS/BvS/ZSJL as films to be "fixed" or erased/retconned/atoned for and they don't just recycle older films for cheap nostalgia
Aside from that, I'm pretty open to whatever they might want to do
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@DennyVonDoom
@starfallgoddess
I hope he gets his own major comeback soon. He deserves it.
He's a terrific actor and, by all accounts, a really good dude who went through a truly awful experience the past few years.
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Me: I love MOS/BvS/ZSJL but I'm excited to see other creators takes on the characters
*Spends five minutes among shitheads who hate those films, ZS and fans*
Me: I want Zack Snyder to not only direct/run all media involving the trinity but all DC media from now until time stops
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@hawkofkrypton
@NebsGoodTakes
Whatever can be said about Bay, his films at least have an energy and creativity that Whedon's boring action scenes fatally lack
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If your response to New Gods being cancelled is to blame Zack Snyder for unintentionally causing it rather than directing your anger at WB for making a poor decision based on flimsy, nonsensical and borderline petulant reasoning, I refuse to take anything you say seriously
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If you're honestly willing to accept or overlook what WB did to Zack Snyder with JL just because they're making DC films and shows you like now, I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in your views on anything, least of all about how characters like Superman should be portrayed
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"Snyder doesn't have ownership or the last word on Superman"
That's absolutely true
Neither do Donner, Timm/Dini, Grant Morrison or any of the other preferred creators and yet the same fans who say the above still expect every version of Clark to take influence from them
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Since I’m a “Snyder bro” and therefore not actually a comic book fan nor do I apparently know or care about them, any suggestions for what to do with all of these and the others I have?
Should I dump them in a sewer or just burn them?
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@JoMomma29
@_TheSmartAlec
I'd argue that the era of stars being necessary to draw in crowds has ended and that Waititi's name would've done the heavy lifting on that front
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I love the irony of certain Superman fans calling ZS fans "cultists" when their own desire, to have everyone who is accepted as a fan think and feel the same way as they do and lashing out at anyone they regard as outsiders who tries to upset that, is the definition of a "cult"
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If you think the current/potential future state of DC films is Zack Snyder's fault, you're a fucking idiot
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Superman fans be like "all I want is a perfect symbol who never makes mistakes, is above humanity and isn't relatable, makes me feel joy for the time in my adult life, never faces any real challenges and who is that way from the start and never changes. Is that so much to ask?"
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Just to be clear:
My disinterest in James Gunn’s plans for DC films, especially his Superman film, has nothing to do with Zack Snyder, just as it didn’t when Hamada was in charge
It’s simply because I don’t find what’s being outlined compelling on it’s own merit
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*Wanting to replace Amy Adams as Lois Lane*
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*Wanting to replace her with an actress who is younger than Henry Cavill*
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*Wanting actresses a full ten years younger or more than Cavill in the role*
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Me: I like MOS/BvS/ZSJL but I'm excited to see other directors and their takes on DC and it's characters
*Spends five minutes with anti-Snyder people*
Me: I now want Zack Snyder to be declared lord and master of all things DC from now until the end of time solely out of spite
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