very pro therapy, very skeptical of therapy; very pro meditation, very skeptical of meditation; very pro rationalism, very skeptical of rationalism; very pro woo, very skeptical of woo
some of the most enlightened people i know call mdma molly and lsd acid and do not know anything about the words parts work, dharma, never meditated, only been to therapy like 3x, not in wellness culture at all just out living their lives and more based than anyone
@kaitlin_cassell
@kpfeffss
I studied philosophy in college and I’d rather the American people understand basic personal finance than Aristotle.
Food on table first, food for mind second.
I no longer believe in psychedelic therapy.
don’t get me wrong— I strongly believe in psychedelic healing, and mystical experience.
but psychedelic therapy has an American healthcare system problem.
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Psychedelics won't produce utopia, but god damn, why is it that like half the people who take them kinda conclude that, at least initially? That can't be for nothing, right?
The problem isn’t actually folding your clothes, this task isn’t too difficult even within the context of your busy life.
The difficulty is in being comfortable enough within your body to perform such a mundane, unstimulating activity without some other distraction involved
Ketamine and the psychedelics are, at best, symptomatic treatments. While they may alleviate symptoms more rapidly, they are the equivalent of aspirin; they do not target disease at the level of etiology or pathogenesis. Thus, they do not represent major advances in psychiatry.
Psychedelic critics often mock Rick Doblin’s vision for a more “spiritualized society” by 2070.
but I don’t get the “gotcha” there. Our society kind of sucks. I feel that we could benefit from a lot more spirituality. And psychedelics and MDMA could help.
You stop chasing the happiness-concept because you already feel happy. You come to realize happiness is — blast, these darn Buddhists are right — here and now, without seeking. It’s literally right here, we are literally surrounded by wonder, what the hell are you seeking after?
@magghu
Altered traits not altered states; psychedelics only “work” for a short time but an actually spiritual life means treating other people well, being well yourself, and enjoying life
humans: *evolve in deeply complex interwoven relationship with all life*
humans: *eats mushrooms and directly perceives the grand interconnected nature of all beings, all life, all the cosmos*
humans: yee crazy hallucinations bro. anyways can we treat depression with this?
it’s cool that psilocybin will soon be legalized for therapy
but it’s bullshit we’re not allowed to just use it on the grounds of religious freedom
as always, it’s okay if it’s for profit, but illegal if it’s for people
my least favorite belief i genuinely hold is that drugs can really induce “enlightenment” whatever it is, it’s a possible mental state, and you can easily reach it with LSD
I struggle with calling psychedelics medicines — even though obviously they have medicinal value — because they’re not medicinal in their core effect. They just open you up, but what you do with that is your own initiative
“Your psychedelic therapist should have experience with psychedelics” sounds to me like “the sky is blue” and yet it remains surprisingly controversial 😳
@keyknowledge
@itskerrii
It’s a dumbass rule Christopher
Btw I would really recommend you check your tone speaking to a literal olympic athlete this person could snap you in half condescending like that
I am sooo addicted to weed it’s crazy. I still don’t actually mind? Weed is probably the chillest psychoactive thing of all time ever. “I can quit anytime I want” (not actually really true, but it’s fun to believe). Can someone tell me it’s bad and I should be ashamed / quit?
@PyramidRealm
Maybe for you bro, I wear my mask happily without feeling like a hospital patient all the time
I feel emotionally protected because no one can see my ~smile~ or ~frown~ I am invisible
i love being on acid and seeing shit that defies all known laws of physics and is probably a significant new metaphysical / mathematical discovery and thinking to myself “yup i could never possibly tell anyone about this in a meaningful way, just another saturday on 250 mics”
the problem with psychedelic therapy is institutional: medical access is regulated access, in other words, restricted access but with professional clothing
it’s prohibitionism with special exception made for avenues where profit can be had
This is a pattern which could be studied a lot more: the Western impulse to commodify and “technique-ify” ancient spiritual practices into psychotechnologies, into methods. But ayahuasca isn’t just a method, or a chemical combo. It’s an entire practice, embedded inside culture
At high doses, LSD turns off the self/world-created heads-up display of the life-navigational-meaning-significance trauma-karma stimulus-response system
Ayahuasca tourists who reject Shipibo philosophy are funny as hell
“I am willing to take your medicine but I will not take seriously the epistemology you have developed along with it. I am going to keep my own epistemology that comes from the culture which made me sick.”
So like, something is happening rn.
People are starting aya and shroom churches left and right. People are openly hosting entheogenic medicine circles right on Meetup and Eventbrite plain as daylight.
Bad drug policy may fall quicker to civil disobedience than any other route.
People tend to interpret the raw experience via the lines of death and rebirth because experientially that’s precisely what happens: “you” and all the ways “you” understand the world are killed. You are a baby again, soaking all senses without capacity to discriminate
With image gen + LLM + VR, it feels like we are absurdly close to a fully functioning VR dreamscape generation type thing? Like I am articulating a scene and it’s generating around me in real time
medical access is the government saying, you are not to be entrusted with the exploration nor healing of your own mind, you simply must go through these social portals
there are some good arguments for guided use. and credentialed supervision/ advice can be helpful, but…
You let go of resisting the meaninglessness. You let go of having to make sense of the senseless. And precisely at that moment, somehow it makes sense. You stop engaging with the data and just let it flow and SOMEHOW this clarifies the whole matter. Idk how to say this part tbh
Sustained mindful attention. Some people think they have this continuously, but for most of us, there’s a lot going on in our minds we aren’t privy to. That whole subconscious black box is operating and we’re just riding the top current in the little boat of being here now
"There is no such thing as a bad trip" is such a dangerous idea, and as a community we'd be well served organizing some active effort to dispel that myth
@robjpalmer
being mindful of the JADE trap
Justify
Argue
Defend
Explain
in 95% of contexts other people aren’t owed reasons for our actions. there’s also a big difference when people ask with curiosity “why are you doing that?” or the more attacking “WHY are you doing THAT?”
I guess most of the world thinking Buddhism is about becoming enlightened (having no thoughts) so you’re not reincarnated as a mosquito isn’t much better
At no point did the golfers stand around and thinking god damn if only everybody GOLFED we'd really get these centuries-old social problems figured out, gee whiz hallelujah. Stop the war in nam, let's golf
In order to be consciously happy, you might first have to make your unconscious unhappiness into conscious unhappiness, and then do something about it. This is what they mean when they say the only way out is through
Which drops you into life-unfiltered, a direct and unstoppable barrage of sense-data which our brains normally interpret into concept-land using the t-k s-r system, our waking map of navigable terrain
Over the course of the trip you build entire new habits of action. The old ways are out, and you *have* to recompose a worldview over the course of your 12-18 hour cosmic journey of the soul. The next morning you wake up with the tksr system back online, but significantly altered
A sustained period of mindful attention. Concentration. Samadhi. That’s what you can reach in the high dose LSD state, and why a lot of people turn Buddhist or take up another contemplative path — to further cultivate this ability while sober.
We have given all these unfamiliar things Names, and cherish these Names as grounding truths. But there isn’t any Milky Way. There is no Earth. These are just labels man, *rips bong*
Twitter is crazy. One minute you’re sane and normal and the next you’re vibing with a guy who’s talking about enlightenment and his username is pee zombie
And not any obscure mystical truth — though perhaps maybe — things like “this is what desire, anger, sadness, and love feel like” or “oh fuck, that’s a CHAIR!” because for years all you have seen is your chair-concept and not actual chairs
@realpotofgreed
Feature, not a bug!
Why is it helpful to remain like-minded to one’s peers and family? I am happy much of my family looks upon me like a stranger. I am strange and so are they, they just refuse to admit it.
I would argue the world is much in need of some alternative thought.
extremely tragic the conversation continues to circle "do hallucinations fix depression?" and not "hm, what are the implications of natural substances inducing mystical experiences?"
This is the golden egg because for those of us with especially problematic trauma-karma stimulus-response systems, it’s already malfunctioning. We really, genuinely benefit from that hard reboot that is the LSD ego death. Sometimes our “understanding” sucks and we need help.
@motorskilless
@Joexor
@keyknowledge
@itskerrii
Nah bc it’s mad disrespectful to someone who’s worked for YEARS at their running, only to have the entirety of that effort negated because some racist white people half century ago decided pot was evil
And it says “none of your work matters if you smoke”
And that’s dumb af
@jomo137
Culture has a framework around therapy it doesn’t have for shamanistic / cosmological / entheogenic use
The culture readily accepts “I’m taking mdma to heal my war ptsd”
whereas the culture has no existing frame nearby “I’m taking LSD to grasp fundamental metaphysical truths”
medical access, in US healthcare, is barriered access, it’s paywalled healing.
you can argue the service ain’t free, but why is it restricted anyways? ketamine is accessible via k clinics *because* of restriction, it’s available via these means because of prohibitionism.
And this is pretty true for, I think, just about everyone. We have a delicately self/world-created personal delusional system called self-identity and “understanding” to help us navigate our lives. But actually, we’re just lost souls wandering a rock in the middle of nowhere
Now lemme take a detour and discuss meditation. The most basic instruction provided to all new meditators is to follow the breath. The idea is that sustained periods of mindful attention can reveal mental realities that were before in-darkness. You were simply unaware of them.
“the most popular psychedelics 10 years from now probably haven’t been invented yet”
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this feels like hella propaganda for all these new companies doing RCs. i just don’t get how you can take LSD and then be like “nah this wasn’t it, we need more drugs”
Under the influence of high dose LSD though, nothing really makes very much sense, and your experience of the world can be transformed in several different ways. But across the spectrum, it’s difficult to reason, remember the past, or plan for the future.
Eventually, rebirth. You wake up on the sands of the cosmic river and take a look around. Eventually, slowly and maybe suddenly, things start making sense anew. And herein lies the golden egg of LSD therapy: things make sense!! Oh fucking hell, green blue joy!! Things make sense!
I walked from $25 an hour guiding ketamine last year.
I now make $100+ an hour driving people around on electric tricycles.
$25 an hour is bullshit for anyone doing anything lol. Is anyone’s time really worth so little?
i know everyone on twitter wants psychedelic medicine sessions to be cheap but the people I see charging too little get burned out quick. guiding/sitting is too hard a job to pay someone $25 an hour to do it.
On high doses of LSD, these periods of meaningless sense-data overflow can go on for what feels like years. You just kind of give up making sense of any of it, and relax. You let go because you have no choice but to!
i wish i could live forever in the psychedelic afterglow, and i think that’s what drives a lot of my interest in meditation / integration etc. im truly just chasing that open loving expansiveness cause fuck man its just a better way of being
@TheGrandBlooms
There is a part of you which cannot and does not ever lie. You can be out of touch with this inner knowing in a conscious way, but in a subconscious way, this inner knowing persists whether you are aware of it or not. In this way, there is a sense in which lying is not possible
It is very weird that we don't conceptualize the SSRI withdrawal as "addiction" nor even really "dependence"
somehow as "medicine" SSRIs get a free pass to give brain zaps if you stop taking them