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a thread of daenerys targaryen’s arc foreshadowing the great empire of the dawn, and her subversive role in liberating humanity from the bloodstone emperor, euron greyjoy:
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parallels between daenerys stormborn and melisandre of asshai, the two most misunderstood characters in asoiaf:
“dany’s very young. she has lessons to learn. it’s not easy to do good, no matter your noble intentions.” - grrm
“melisandre is most misunderstood by readers.” - grrm
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“cersei and dany are intended as parallel characters - each exploring approaches to how a woman would rule in a male dominated, medieval-inspired fantasy world.”-grrm
“she sat on a simple ebony bench.” - dany, asos
“she sat the iron throne, high above them all.” - cersei, affc
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“no one was calling her daenerys the conqueror yet, but perhaps they would.” dany, asos
“jon snow had dreamed of leading men to glory just as king daeron had, of growing up to be a conqueror.” - jon, adwd
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you can like alicent all you want but saying she’s more complex than cersei, one of the main antagonists of the MAIN 5-book series, is insane. she’s not worth 1/8th of a single cersei chapter, the headcanons are rotting your brains
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asoiaf fans when melisandre misinterprets her visions: “omg she’s a religious zealot and a selfish fraud”
asoiaf fans when melisandre misinterprets jon snow as azor ahai: “jon snow’s azor ahai, he’s the prince that was promised!!”
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“the fire is mine. i am daenerys stormborn, daughter of dragons, bride of dragons, mother of dragons, don't you see? don't you SEE?” -agot
“i am cersei of house lannister, a lion of the rock, the rightful queen of the seven kingdoms, trueborn daughter of tywin lannister.” -affc
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parallels between cersei and melisandre, two female characters demonised by readers; for subverting from traditional womanhood:
“and she is greedy. greedy for power, for honour, for love.“ - asos
“it was her victory. they will say you owe your crown to her spells.” - acok
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i’ve had enough of people saying that cersei instigated the sexually abusive dynamic between herself and jaime; as if his constant possessiveness and obvious coercion hasn’t been prevalent throughout the books
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save me…
save me overly hated female character... overly hated female character save me
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the concept of being a “white saviour” and their want for admiration doesn’t apply to dany. she’s highly criticised when freeing the raped slaves of the dothraki, she’s criticised by jorah for subverting from the initial objective of buying the unsullied, by liberating them.
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cersei being destined for a misogynistic death at the hands of her brother, after living a life filled with sexual violence, alcoholism, frustration, and abuse. grrm you’re going hell
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asoiaf fans will justify khal drogo and dany’s relationship as being “consensual” and “romantic” due to grrm’s intended meaning; as if she didn’t contemplate suicide and wasn’t treated as a glorified child sex slave.
there’s not a single scene where drogo is loving towards dany
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jaime, who thinks about breaking cersei’s teeth, is sexually coercive, saw jeyne poole being taken to ramsay knowing his reputation, & tyrion, who had paedophilic thoughts about sansa, raped a slave, thinks about raping cersei, but cersei’s the problem?
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grrm’s dehumanisation of women in asoiaf is unnecessary. a series with mythical creatures but every single female has been objectified. him saying the rape of 13 y/o dany by drogo was “consensual” &“seductive” doesn’t reflect the “medieval setting” people love using as an excuse.
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firstly, the earliest foreshadowing is during her fever dream in agot:
“ghosts lined the hallway, dressed in the faded raiment of kings. in their hands were swords of pale fire. they had hair of silver and hair of gold, and their eyes were opal and amethyst, tourmaline and jade”
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not even a page later, dany recognises that she has a responsibility to stop the atrocities of war. she freed the child sex slaves, despite being one herself, putting herself in danger by going against dothraki custom.
don’t use quotes out of context.
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funny you say this as if white men aren’t the main demographic committing molestation throughout the global south, to the point where “child sex tourism” has been commercialised in gambia, thailand etc.
radfems diverting blame to MOC won’t hide their fascism, you don’t like WOC
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firstly, they both start off as penniless slave girls. daenerys is sold to khal drogo by viserys, at thirteen. dany connects with magic when she receives dragon dreams. melisandre, named “melony”, is sold to a red temple, where she learns the art of magic from a young age.
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jon snow is not as complex as incels want him to be. he only functions as a self-insert for their medieval fantasies, as his characterisation & arc aren’t as distinguishable or subversive as the other 4 main characters.
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“she could use her pillow to muffle her cries of pain. he would begin to snore softly […] her body bruised and sore.” - dany, agot
“lying helpless underneath him as he took his pleasure. he rolled off, went to sleep and snored. she was always sore afterward.” - cersei, affc
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daenerys is a “generic fantasy protagonist” but they can’t name a single female fantasy protagonist, let alone an asoiaf character, who remotely holds a candle to one third of her narrative
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a thread of melisandre’s visions and how they’ve turned out to be true, as well as debunking misconceptions of her unreliability:
“there was no one, even in her order, who had her skill at seeing the secrets half-revealed and half-concealed within the sacred flames.” - mel, adwd
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clearly, this is a reference to the valyrians. later on, the same visions encourage dany to fly and wake the dragon. despite “opal and amethyst, tourmaline and jade” being commonly referenced, it’s mostly used in dany’s arc for their specific colours; relating to her ancestry.
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@Sael_Collins
what agency does she have in that relationship? drogo had no respect for her up until she became pregnant, in which he gave respect to her solely for carrying his son.
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cersei isn’t in love with rhaegar, and wouldn’t have been if he was still alive😭, just say you don’t understand her character and go. cersei has been socialised into weaponising her womanhood in order to gain individual power in westeros; rhaegar is no exception to her pursuit
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parallels between lady macbeth and cersei lannister, through their rejection of idealised femininity:
“come to my woman’s breasts, take my milk for gall,” - lady macbeth, macbeth
“a warrior’s heart, gods in their malice had given her the feeble body of a woman.” - cersei, affc
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i wonder why she threatened to murder her abusive rapist when he beat joffrey so bad that two of his baby teeth came out? clearly, she’s endangering herself for her own selfishness amirite r/asoiaf
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it’s no coincidence that she’s upset and frustrated in every single video. some of you will dehumanise disabled people so much that you fail to realise they have feelings and can recognise when they’re being mocked
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why do people want dany to sacrifice herself to undo her house’s wrongdoings? people never say tyrion/jaime should die to make up for tywin, the starks to make up for the kings in the north stealing women.
identity politics is silly, hold every character to the same standards😭
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the 14 year old bridal sex slave, who experienced starvation, poverty, abuse and being in exile is the “one who gets exactly what she wants” ?
her to join a death cult at 11
sansa’s complete loss of innocence
bran becoming an amoral tree wizard
jamie’s whole redemption arc — to name but a few
it’s daenerys who gets exactly what she wants, with only the tear in her eye that she couldn’t have everyone
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JON SNOW…
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“begun running in her mother’s womb, and never stopped. [..] a step ahead of the usurper’s knives? but it was run or die.” - dany, acok
“danger to her own person was the first thing she had learned to see, back when she was half a child, a slave girl bound for life.” - mel, adwd
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dark fantasy means women getting raped and abused left, right and centre??😭 name three male protagonists facing sexual abuse
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sex work offers “more autonomy” to women but 71% have experienced physical assault, 63% have been raped, 68% have met the criteria for PTSD. what autonomy do sex workers have? 90% of them are controlled by pimps, who have lured them into exploitation when majority were teenagers
not to take user “femcelbbz” seriously but having worked for st*rbucks for 2.5 years, i can say SW offers more autonomy than schlepping coffee at the mall for barely minimum wage
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@theesilver
real jon snow fans want him to remain as jon snow not aegon aemon nedgar targaryen
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coincidentally, the same colours “opal and amethyst, tourmaline and jade” strikingly correlate to the rulers of the great empire of the dawn,
“jade emperor, the tourmaline emperor, the onyx emperor, the topaz emperor, the opal emperor followed in turn…the amethyst empress.”
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additionally, the parallels between daenerys and the amethyst empress are emphasised when euron greyjoy is the only one linking dany’s purple eyes to amethysts - twice.
“her hair is silver-gold, and her eyes are amethysts . .” - euron greyjoy in the reaver, affc
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if you’re going to fault dany for being a descendant of the valyrians, lets talk about sansa, a descendant of the kings of the north who famously enslaved the women of their enemies as war prizes
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tumblr really is the cesspool of idiocy. cersei is apparently the one “exerting control” but it’s jaime who objectifies and demeans her, coerces her into sex in front of bran, coerces her again in front of joffrey and fantasises about removing her tongue due to his jealousy.
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why do sansa stans demonise women retaliating after persistent sexual abuse? a 14 year old daenerys, liberating herself after being sold into sexual slavery, shouldn’t evoke that much hatred out of you
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“oh, and flowers for my hair.” - dany, a dance with dragons
“if i could show her winterfell . . . give her a flower from the glass gardens.” - jon, a storm of swords
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finally, grrm has constructed dany
to provoke progress in a declining westeros by defeating slavers. through the parallels between euron and TBE, as well as the subversive nature of dany, she will be victorious in the long night; symbolising a new era of prosperity & equality.
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while dany overcomes her situation by stopping the rape of lhazareen girls:
“stop them.” she spoke to her khas, “i want no rape.” - agot
cersei reenacts her rape as the rapist,
“[…] gave a gasp of pain. “you’re hurting me.”
“i am the queen. I mean to claim my rights.” - affc
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“the red door was so far ahead. she ran. “..don’t want to wake the dragon..” she could feel the heat inside her, a terrible burning.” - agot
“strange voices called to her from days long past. “melony,” she was weeping, and her tears were flame. and still she drank it in.” - adwd
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“every reign was shorter and more troubled than the one preceding it, lesser kings grew prideful and rebellious, and the common people gave themselves over to avarice, envy, lust...”
their reigns directly parallel the downfall of the targaryens, ending with robert’s rebellion.
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“lesser kings grew prideful and rebellious” represents robert baratheon being fuelled by his jealousy over rhaegar & lyanna, and also walder frey, to restore his pride - after robb stark disregarded his vow, he resorts to rebellion and takes an active part in the red wedding.
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why did she object to myrcella’s marriage when it benefited the lannisters socially and politically? why did she employ and allow the groping of the kettleblacks? why did she threaten her abuser, robert, when he beat joffrey? but she doesn’t love her kids despite textual evidence
I thought y'all were obsessed with the books? haven't you read enough to know cersei only loves her children as an extension of herself?
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overall, both dany and melisandre are characters who have noble intentions to fight for justice, representing a wider issue in society. grrm’s humanisation of his characters represent the blur between good versus evil - which subverts from traditional fantasy conventions.
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both of them have clearly been endangered during their childhood. while mel’s is unclear, dany has been threatened by viserys, drogo and robert’s assassins. neither of them have a sense of security until they connect with magic, mel as a red priestess and dany with her dragons.
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you’re an idiot if you believe that the freed slaves who wish for the return of slavery is a result of dany’s “incompetence,” rather than the strenuous path of a revolution. which revolution didn’t suffer hardships when altering its system?
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next, euron clearly symbolises the bloodstone emperor, who was the “younger brother of the amethyst empress .. he slew his sister and proclaimed himself the bloodstone emperor.”
euron is a kinslayer and kingslayer, who murdered his older brother and usurped his throne.
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“the flames writhed like the women who had danced at her wedding. dany opened her arms to them, her skin flushed and glowing. this is a wedding too,” - dany, agot
“the ruddy glow of her red lord’s blessed flames, flushed by the wash of heat as if a lover’s kisses.” - mel, adwd
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dany’s dragons aren’t going to be enslaved by euron. grrm constructs them to exercise free will (through dany’s arc), which entirely juxtaposes the enslavement of the others. an anti-slaver, daenerys, with her dragons liberating the others & humanity are so fitting to the story.
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both of them are confronted by people from their past during visions, dany seeks safety in the house with the red door - a symbol of her past - away from viserys’ abuse, whereas mel seeks solace in fire from the present.
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argue with grrm who views jon as the popular archetypal fantasy hero. how is jon’s storyline more distinguishable than the 14 year old mother of dragons, the 9 year old disabled greenseer, the ostracised dwarf with sophisticated knowledge, or the 11 year old soon-to-be assassin?
that’s crazy that you would call jon the self insert character lmao. anyways, this is stupid, as per usual
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daenerys being a “white saviour” despite being an ex-slave herself who faced poverty and starvation, freed thousands of slaves - even though it wasn’t expected (and was highly criticised) of her.
If we're gonna criticize anything it's Daenerys being a white savior but even then who tf cares if the story and character are great
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essentially, daenerys’ characterisation is full of subversions: the role of past targaryens, the role of leaders in the timeline, the importance of women/slaves/destitute persons.
dany has especially overcame many obstacles that have stopped others, through her perseverance.
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weird how the fandom ignores when melisandre prays to r’hllor to show “his king, his instrument”, it’s visions of daenerys along with her dragons; rather than jon snow whose visions occur pages later, with no relation to the azor ahai prophecy but rather a symbolism of his death.
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drogo’s funeral is a wedding between dany and magic; birthing dragons. fire invokes passion in times of grief, removing them from their pasts.
antis use those quotes to suggest dany and mel are fanatics yet grrm says, “fire is love, fire is passion, fire is all of these things.”
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they’re calling dany a tyrant for killing slavers meanwhile sansa is literally poisoning her cousin in the eyrie so littlefinger can gain power
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additionally, the bloodstone emperor and euron greyjoy both take part in torture (ripping the tongues of his crew on the “silence”), the dark arts (shade of the evening, his ability to enter old valyria etc.), and enslavement (through “the [captured] dusky woman” on board).
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@bookpurism
“daenerys is gonna sacrifice herself to pay for her family’s mistakes🥺”
meanwhile the houses they stan have committed similar war crimes without any consequences
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too many headcanons of rhaegal being the other dragon with a rider.. as if he isn’t loyal to his family to a fault, fighting against quentyn when he whips viserion, fighting against the slavers after being released etc.
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finally, both of them are restless due to their duty to serve.
“i was tired, jorah. i wanted to rest, to laugh, to plant trees and see them grow. i am only a young girl.” - dany, adwd
“she had no time for sleep, with the weight of the world upon her shoulders.” - mel, adwd
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dany’s house of the undying chapter mentions “from a smoking tower, a great stone beast took wing, breathing shadow fire” which signifies the role of rituals and magic in euron’s arc. therefore, euron’s attack on oldtown is possibly fuelled by an avarice for a magical awakening.
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“and daenerys…
her hair was aflame. she had the whip in her hand and she was shouting, then she was on the dragon's back, flying.” - the queensguard, a dance with dragons
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also, the bloodstone emperor worshipped “a black stone that fell from the sky” which perhaps symbolises the black stone fortress of the hightower in oldtown. euron’s relation to valyria is emphasised due to the reminiscence of valyrian roads with the black stone.
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@thelaughinstorm
also it’s cersei that is constantly sexualised and treated like property by jaime, he imagines her having sex with moon boy, the kettleblack brothers etc. he’s sexualising her at every given moment, but it’s cersei who’s always facing the stigma solely because she’s a woman
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lannister fan talking about “entitled” when canonically one of the only entitled and greedy character’s cersei😭😭 how can a poor child ousted from her home be entitled
@Maneskin_24
I always loved the actress that I found really humble looking and down to earth in contrast to her character that I always found excessive, entitled and pretentious. Perhaps (hopefully!) the actress was saying that as a way to mimic the character
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yes! grrm’s story which has multiple foreshadowings of her third child being the one who survives
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“oh, for a sword and the skill to wield it. she had a warrior's heart, but the gods in their blind malice had given her the feeble body of a woman.” - cersei, affc
“come to my woman's breasts, and take my milk for gall, you murd’ring ministers,” - lady macbeth, macbeth
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ironic of you to be saying they misuse words when you’ve put “child bride” and “free woman” in the same sentence ijbol
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i hate that misogynist but name another author winning a hugo award for their subversive novel of a young girl pre-1990? which woman in fantasy has as much depth and intrigue as dany? who else perfectly balanced the tropes of fantasy with the struggles of women in real life?
Like let's be serious for 2 seconds sister girl in the grand scheme of feminism in fantasy literature what... has GRRM done with Danny exactly !@?#
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“the flames were so beautiful, the loveliest things she had ever seen, each one a sorcerer robed in yellow and orange and scarlet,” - dany, agot
“visions danced before her, gold and scarlet, flickering, forming and melting and dissolving into one another,” - melisandre, adwd
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mel’s passage foreshadows the upcoming battle between dany and euron. note the euron references of a “tide rising from the depths”.
“i am the storm. the first storm, and the last.” -euron, affc
grrm chronologically writing dany & her dragons at the end symbolises her victory.
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mel’s visions depict a series of locations, such as pyke, whereas dany sees sigils of great westerosi houses.
earlier on mel asks rhllor to show her “his king, his instrument”, the last visions are “great winged shadows against a hard blue sky” - setting dany to be azor ahai.
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the same cersei who condoned the sexual assault and groping of the kettleblacks to stabilise tommen’s reign, and therefore, his safety? are you stupid?
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