@ukarlewitz
Urban Carmel
2 years
$SPX is down about 9% YTD. Anything can happen but, historically, for it to end the year with a loss like this, the economy would have to be in a recession (red circles) or the US in a world war. Chart from @SethCL ; annotations are mine
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@phyonker
Phil Younker
2 years
@ukarlewitz @SethCL The gdpnow Atlanta fed , ecri wli and spreads hinting to recession. Are bottoms made at the start middle or end of recessions ? Or all over
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@Seawolfcap
Porter Collins
2 years
@ukarlewitz @SethCL Recession or not this a bear market and in bear markets assets can go down a lot further than you think. Margin debt to GDP has never been higher.
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@hydrogenb291
I lee
2 years
@ukarlewitz @SethCL What about the insane accommodation that has been in place for years? 10 percent is a lot?
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@Watchthebest
WatchTheBest
2 years
@ukarlewitz @SethCL At the risk of saying "this time it's different", I would think the starting point matters.. Ie. 2022 ytd or full year is gonna be measured against a pretty high beginning level in the SPX majors (PE, growth expectations)
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@StockShark16
StockShark
2 years
@ukarlewitz @SethCL Valuation matters. Most of them are approaching pre covid valuation, but still more to come down. COVID and subsequent printing of $$ are outlier from the statistic perspective.
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@kireytrades
kireytrades
2 years
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@lesha22
Leo
2 years
@ukarlewitz @SethCL What about if it’s AND?
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@stevethunder16
Steve
2 years
@ukarlewitz @SethCL It will end the year around 4800-4900 so a dip in late March Early April then a top in August before pullback to late Sep, early October then the rally, next year 2023, Q3 and Q4 will be very bad, Q1 and Q2 will be very good
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@filledindablank
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2 years
@ukarlewitz @SethCL Well, what if we have both? 🤣
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@SoulModerate
Moderate Soul
2 years
@ukarlewitz @SethCL This time for both
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@TAbbate2
Tony Abbate
2 years
@ukarlewitz @SethCL What about the bursting of a historic bubble? The P/E ratio of the S&P 500 is still above 20. There is the possibility of significant valuation compression ahead.
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@gbmat1
Whitesox Rock
2 years
@ukarlewitz @SethCL We once were compared to the 30’s and many experts laughed, ….bet they got flat this year 🤨
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