Jacob Mendelsohn
@themendelbrain
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Attorney. Jewish follower of Yeshua. Biblical Christian. Family Man.
Joined April 2022
Apparently you must believe in “once saved always save” to be saved. New salvation criteria pops up every day.
@themendelbrain that is because they are not saved, man is spiritually dead and incapable of coming to God on his own. God draws His people whom He chose back to Him through His word, Romans 10:17, Isaiah 55:10-11. freewill gospels are works, nobody is getting right with God on their terms.
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Paul says you will be held to a much sorer punishment than those of old. As new a new creation and members of the covenant of promise, we have a higher standard of holiness.
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My thoughts: To be circumcised of the heart means God has to give you a heart of flesh. Now that God made you new, you can’t then become un-new. But you can become uncircumcised by trampling Christ underfoot, treating the blood of the covenant as unholy.
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Question: If Paul says the circumcised in the flesh can become uncircumcision through disobedience; And uncircumcision of the flesh can be counted as circumcision through obedience, Can people’s circumcision of the heart become uncircumcision through the same disobedience?
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The OSAS response: “Once family always family!” But even the prodigal son in Luke 15 was considered dead and lost while away from his father’s house until he chose to return. Any way we put it, God’s grace abounds for those who choose to accept it.
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I realize the response is: “if you leave then you were never saved in the first place.” But that means those who are “truly saved” still can't leave even if they wanted to, confirming that salvation is a cage, not a relationship.
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Imagine if we rephrase the OSAS discussion to: You may freely choose to leave God and forfeit the benefits of His grace at anytime. And the OSAS response is: “No, you can never leave, there’s no escape.” You’d sound pretty psycho. Are we God’s children or God’s prisoners?
That you can lose your salvation.
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Here are Bible verses showing God’s law not only for the Jews, but for all humanity: 1. THE LAW EXISTED BEFORE THERE WERE JEWS Genesis 26:5 “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.” Abraham lived before Israel became a
@Ukpahiojojames @pudicat11 Pastor you still don’t see those laws are made for Jews of a different time. “Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.” Isaiah 43:19 KJV What new thing is this?
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I love how I’m a “Pelagian” now. Jews have always rejected the concept of original sin, and it was Judaism that influenced Pelagius. But now he gets the credit? Not cool.
@bishman316 @themendelbrain Always makes me chuckle when the Pelagians even mention Romans 5. They have no consistent exegesis of it, but they will still quote parts just...for the fun of it, I guess.
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More thoughts here:
@MarbledWell7 Original sin, as Augustine developed it, included original guilt, which was a shift from the earlier viewpoint that the two were separate, which held that there was still a choice. Later theologians the re-separated the two with doctrines such as age of accountability.
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Indeed, one can commit great evils with the approval of their own conscious. “If” babies are morally perfect beings (not inheriting a sin nature), apparently some Christians would then have no problem doing the same against them. Sad.
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Justifying the mass murder of the innocent to get them to heaven is an evil thing to say. Our goal is to love God and each other while establishing righteousness. We don’t compromise on righteousness because of salvation.
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What a crazy world we live in. If I tell a Christian that babies are perfect in every moral, spiritual, and physical way I’m instantly excommunicated and labeled a heretic. So be it. I’m not meant for this world.
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@themendelbrain Augustine was weak in Greek, especially relative to the Greek Fathers, and that this weakness materially affected his theology. Augustine himself admits he struggled with Greek and disliked it. Confessions 1.13 “I disliked Greek literature… I learned it with much difficulty.”
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A couple typos, but I don’t pay for X and don’t have the ability to edit so we’ll have to live with them 😂
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Scholars agree August mistranslated this verse when making his case. But once the council ruled on the matter, it was sealed in theology. Nothing can save this monstrous doctrine that rooted itself in the church except for people’s willingness to be deceived.
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Augustine read Romans 5:12 as “in whole all sinned” when making the case at the Council of Carthage, which is a blatant mistranslation of the text. The significance? “In whom” implies federal headship. “Because” implies a subsequent, intentional choice.
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And we can’t even end the discussion there because Christians weirdly hold the view that Paul can change reality. Paul says in Romas 5:12 “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned.”
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To be more righteous than the most righteous requires us to become as children, pure in heart and spirit. In other words, Jesus himself professes that little children are more righteous than the most righteous Pharisee.
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“For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.” We see two related concepts commanded by Jesus to enter the kingdom.
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