Completely (and deliberately) missing the point that if you have enough nuclear to cover times when wind + solar are absent, wind + solar are a waste of money. There are no fuel or other operational savings when throttling nuclear
@sideen_dan
grid storage will give nukes variable output while always running at full power-
isn't that the excuse they use about making VREs dispatchable?
@chr0n0kun
Over 400 nuclear power plants have provided power for over 50 years without the need for storage. Before the advent of variable wind + solar, the demand profile of a grid was very predictable.
And even if nuclear required storage, it would only daily, not seasonal needs
@sideen_dan
It’s a cargo cult where the belief is that if you construct enough Holy Turbines and Sacred Panels the woke gods will save the planet and smite the evil capitalists
@sideen_dan
It is quite clear that for some, the goal is not low emissions, it’s the most possible VRE on a grid and anything that might have an impact on that, should be swiftly dismissed.
@sideen_dan
It’s so infuriating. And people freak out when I explain why nuclear is better and makes wind and solar completely unnecessary. Then people say “but the wind and solar people say nuclear is unnecessary, so that’s a double standard.” Not at all. Nuclear is simply more valuable.
@sideen_dan
I wonder if back in the day of steamboats there were people opposed to them because the cost of steam engines to back up oars didn't make sense. 😄
@sideen_dan
Not accurate. If you have enough wind and solar you have a lower carbon footprint even with a little gas back up. How do I know this? South Australia had a lower carbon footprint than France last month even with some tiny gas backup.
@sideen_dan
Just look at what China is investing in. Not nuclear, giant amounts of wind and solar. Because they are pragmatic and know what the future is.
@sideen_dan
Completely missing the point that even with expensive nukes, due to grid fragility, you still need local backup for critical loads.
Combo backup-peaking microgrids leave expensive nukes serving no useful purpose.
Critical loads include:
Hospitals
Home ventilators
Insulin fridges
Military
Fire halls
Fire alarms
Fresh water filtering & pumps to supply fire hydrants
Sewage treatment
Police stations
911 dispatch & phone infrastructure
Elevators
Gas stations
Frozen food
Furnace fans
etc., etc.
@sideen_dan
Dan , I think you are correct but a couple of points
We are never totally without wind or daytime solar & you left out storage .
If we have enough storage to use in conjunction with wind and solar , (& small amount of gas for long periods of low VRE )then we don't need nuclear.