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Stockle is LIVE on Product Hunt!
Any support or feedback is greatly appreciated!
💡What is it? An investment management platform for retail investors across the globe
👨💻Who is it for? Every investor, regardless of their expertise
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Tech start-up starter kit:
- Laptop, preferably Mac (Fight me)
- X account✅
- Lack of interest in working for others
- Mad determination and a touch of insanity🧠
- Girlfriend that asks, is it finished yet?
#buildinpublic
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What are my posts about?
Programming, Investing & Fintech through sharing the process of building
@stockleapp
🚀
Feel free to join the journey!
#buildinpublic
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Sign that you are a software developer
You cringe at coding/hacking scenes in movies.
It’s just too much🫠
Why is it so hard to make them realistic.
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Had to give twitter circle a go myself also! Thank you all!🚀
All the best for the upcoming week🚀
@ruchernchong
@stockleapp
@PLBompard
@_hariti
@courtneymmmmmm
@mattdotbartlett
@florianvates
@phsfboys
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If you are building something that already exists🚲
What are the unique factors that set you apart from the rest?
#buildinpublic
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Woke up, searched Stockle from Google
First search result! Finally!
It’s about the small wins📈
#buildinpublic
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Just when I crossed 400
and now
not a single follower found...
Okay enough with the dad jokes
Thanks to everyone following the journey of building Stockle!
🙏✨
#buildinpublic
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Thought I'd share a little status update on Stockle, after all it's
#buildinpublic
$0 spent on ads
Been live soon 3months
- 300+ sign-ups
- 2500+ page visitors
- Three new versions deployed
However, the most important thing...
Received awesome feedback from investors!💯🎉
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You can make a lot of 💰 building SaaS
Well, yes...
But, there is thousands of hours work before that and no guarantees even then.
The question is, who is willing to put in the effort?
Likely those building something they're interested in, not those chasing💰
#buildinpublic
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The easiest way to validate whether a SaaS will work or not..
is to build it over years,
market it day in and day out for years,
occasionally pull half of your hairs out of your head,
listen to feedback, and continue improving.
Easy peasy lemon difficult
#buildinpublic
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My daily routine:
Workout before coding 🏋️♂️
Do you have must dos before working?
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Made a TikTok reaching 8.7k views
How many Gen Z points is that?
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Difference between a construction worker and a programmer?
Construction worker finishes the building at some point
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Notes from a novice SaaS builder:
1. Build your waiting list early🗒️
2. Find the sites your potential users are active💻
3. Interact with your target audience🗣️
4. Always aim to build value to users💰
#buildinpublic
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As a SaaS dev you can always find things to improve.
That's one of the interesting aspects of product development.
None of the features has to be 100% finalised to the point where you can't change them anymore.
(Deploy those features at some point though😂)
#buildinpublic
Position tracking in Stockle was already a top-notch feature.
However, we asked ourselves: could we make it even more user-friendly and intuitive🤔
The answer is YES!
Check out the end result below and see the critical information YOU can access for your investments!📈
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What does the tech stack for backend devs look like in 2023?
For me it's:
Serverless, NodeJS, GraphQL & Typescript⚙️
Demonstrating that fintech platform doesn't require Python, Java or C# (Though I love Python❤️).
How about you?
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Buildinpublic community has lots of talent.
Recommend a project from someone you follow that you think is creating something awesome!
I’ll start MonAi. Tested and can recommend💯Extremely good work by
@florianvates
#buildinpublic
@joonatanvanhala
My app MonAi is in a very competitive space (expense tracking). No one has brought AI nicely into the mix yet though.
Plus most of them are ugly 😅
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Testing out
@prisma
extensions for
@stockleapp
Been exploring ways to separate some of the model-specific logic in Stockle.
So far, it seems promising.
How's everyone's coding going? Any new discoveries?
#buildinpublic
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As a dev you can't build every feature at once.
How did we decide what to code for Stockle's latest release?
Three points:
‼️ Missing core-features
👨💻Users' requests outside core features
🚀What we need:
- For marketing
- For speeding up the dev process
#buildinpublic
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Started being active with
@stockleapp
account in the summer when launching Stockle Beta.
Literally 10 people saw the posts.
Up until that point been only a lurker here so no idea what to post.
Now: +600 followers and just getting started👀
#buildinpublic
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What's your way to build⬇️
bootstrapping or planning to get/already got funding?
#buildinpublic
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No one.
Absolutely no one.
Developer sees a new app: Let me think how I would've coded that
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What I like about building
@stockleapp
It solves a problem I’ve faced myself.
It combines things I like: Investing & Coding
I believe it can help other investors to achieve their goals.
It is simply awesome.
#buildinpublic
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In the first versions of Stockle we had buttons and actions placed all over the site
➡️Not easy, logical or quick to use
➡️Did not represent the feel Stockle was supposed to have
Solution my co-dev built and came up with - Command Menu🔥
#buildinpublic
Quick tip💡
You can open the command menu using key bindings: Cmd + K / Ctrl + K.
Faster way to add a new transaction, portfolio or navigate through different views🚀
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Probably one of the most requested features for Stockle, we had to create this at some point😂
Started to build it last weekend
(Saturday night actually, because no better things to do for a developer in the weekend)
Got it working quite nicely, I'd say!
#buildinpublic
Don't want to add holdings manually?
Stockle's first step towards easy data importing:
CSV-import feature now available✅
Export your holdings from Excel/Google sheets, Yahoo Finance etc. as CSV and import to Stockle quick and easy!
💡Check the example CSV in Stockle
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Biggest struggle in being a startup founder
is that suddenly you have to transform yourself from a developer in a basement to a customer management specialist.
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Stockle
@stockleapp
is being built with the skills of two developers.
You don't always need a large team to create something awesome.
Pick a problem and find a solution.
If there's a problem you are facing yourself, sometimes you are the best expert to solve it.
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One of focus points of
@stockleapp
Users should not only see their current holdings but also have the ability to revisit any past investments from their history and access *comprehensive* details for them.
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Have you considered the ideal customer profile for your SaaS?
Funny thing is, I myself am ideal customer for Stockle:
I use multiple brokers and accounts
I like to structure my investments with different ideas
I want to see exactly how I am performing in the market in detail
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JUST. ONE. MORE. FEATURE
Okay, okay, we've taken a big leap with the newest version currently under development.
BUT
IT IS AWESOME
Sometimes you just got to go for it.
#buildinpublic
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Product Hunt looks to be very popular among start-ups and indie developers.
What’s your take on it,
Has it benefited your project or not?
Also let’s connect there!🤝 Using same handle as here in X!
Thought I’d dedicate more time to it⌛️
#buildinpublic
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Technical challenge in Stockle.
Many operations (update, create, delete) trigger a chain of subsequent events.
Preserving clean and maintainable code is tricky when enabling a single command to initiate a sequence of other actions.
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💡Quick tip
I personally use
@stockleapp
by creating portfolios for different countries, e.g Finland & USA.
This approach allows me to analyze and compare the performance of my holdings categorically, rather than considering my holdings as a single unit.
#FinTwit
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Huuuge update now live! Go check it out!🚀
#buildinpublic
BIG NEWS‼️
The Biggest update since Beta launch is now live!🚀
🎨 Polished UI+Light Mode
💰 Enhanced Dividend Tracking
⚡ Faster Transaction Management
📊Even more In-Depth Investment Analytics
📈Custom Benchmarking & More!
The New Standard for Investment Tracking 🔥
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What's the most complex coding problem you've had to solve in your project?
Or has it been just smooth sailing and straightforward coding.
For Stockle's API it's the continuous changes in data where a single action triggers a set of other events.
#buildinpublic
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Wow +100 followers crossed!
Thank you all!
Will continue to leave weird and awesome comments to your posts✨
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Reaction on someone being police officer/nurse/teacher for a living:
"Oh how cool, must be a really taxing work, please tell me more😍🥰"
Reaction on someone being a programmer:
"Ah, okay. Well, I could never sit in front of a computer that much😐"
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Your product is rarely the first one in the market, does that mean you shouldn't do it?
No.
I believe there are always things you can try to do better.
If every one thought that way we would still be using Facebook instead of X.
And no one wants that.
#buildinpublic
What is Stockle actually?
Investment tracker? Yes
But to be more specific, it provides you the ability to structure your investments.
A good example of this is using Stockle for thematic investing
Even if investing in its nature can be conservative you can be creative
#FinTwit
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Fun fact:
Before Stockle, with the same two-developer team, we were developing B2B platforms.
Those experiences taught us a lot.
But I have to say that building something for other consumers is much more fun.
It's also more challenging in many senses.
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Some late night weekend coding🌃
Started to work on CSV import for Stockle.
How's everyone else's weekend going?
#buildinpublic
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Roses are red, violets are blue
time to write some unit tests
even though it's something no dev likes to do
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With Stockle the user feedback has mainly so far came through email, but also X.
How do you collect user feedback for your SaaS and which are the main channels users use to provide it?🧑💻
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Findings from building a fintech platform for investors:
1. Investors value easiness and customisation.
2. Specificity: Investing style effects what sort of analytics are interesting to each investor
3. Details matter: Investors are used to finding those winning edges.
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Is Stripe the best option for SaaS or do you prefer some other alternative for payment handling?
From my experience the setup is simple, testing features very handy and moving from development to production is smooth. No problems so far.
#buildinpublic
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In my first degree I focused on embedded systems. Coding in C, microcontrollers and blinking lights on arduino. Great for developing general programming skills.
Never used those skills in work.
Good times though.
Do you hold degrees that don’t directly relate to your work?
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One of the hardest things to build in Stockle.
Was worth it though!
It’s a real game changer🚀
💡Distinct advantage of Stockle.
Aggregation is truly aggregation.
Overview-page includes all of the exact same features as portfolio view while...
it aggregates everything in your portfolios all the way from charts to individual lots📈
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What is one thing you wish you knew before embarking on a start-up project?
I’d say find and connect with like-minded people who share similar interests. it can significantly accelerate the building process.
Do it early on.
#buildinpublic
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Great things take time to build⌛️
Have you experienced Hockey Stick Growth with your products, even in small scale?
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If you had to start your startup, side project or
#buildinpublic
over,
what is one thing you would do differently?
For Stockle, it would be building a three-kilometer-long waiting list.
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Next up in the design for Stockle:
Allocation feature📊
As with other Stockle’s features the aim is to make it compact, yet detailed and informative.
What features is team
#buildinpublic
currently implementing?
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The ultimate reason to build
@stockleapp
in the first place?
Well, let me explain
It’s easier if I just…
show you this meme
✨
Share the idea for your project with one pic! ⬇️
#buildinpublic
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Design choices in Stockle:
Portfolios work as structures for investments.
Viewing a single portfolio filters the data by portfolio
Aggregated view combines the data across all portfolios, while keeping the same detailed coverage on data as in portfolio view.
#buildinpublic
One unique feature of Stockle is accurate and detailed aggregation on investment portfolios🧩
We view aggregation a bit differently.
Because...
When we say aggregation, we really mean it.
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@ProSportMoney
From my short X career I would say just post the most random ideas that pop in to your head
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What is the best series/movie every programmer should watch?
I’ll say this one⤵️
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Seen a lot of people ask here what makes growing on X so difficult?
Let me clear that for you, it’s
10% of being consistent
10% of being active
80% of being able to avoid thumbs getting tired after fierce engaging
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@DevKEIRE
@ThePrimeagen
@vivek_naskar
@chfsrh
@Eche_000
@csturner88
@iamatifriaz
@GaborPfalzer
@pseudokid
@Maintel
@speckydude_js
@thedevbek
@OpenDevLog
@OpenAI
@mfranz_on
@HainingMax
The beard is a definitely a creator magnet
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Always building📈
Worked on some exciting ideas today🚀
#buildinpublic
We've got some interesting new features brewing🫖
Rest assured, they're well worth the wait!
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New feature added!
Differs quite a bit from the initial plan we had for the allocation section.
BUT, it turned out to be much better!
Some features require some time to brew🔥
#buildinpublic
Huge bonus of being a Stockle user:
You get to enjoy a continuously improved platform📈
Allocation analysis is now live on Stockle!
As always, available on both aggregated overview and in a single portfolio🚀
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Design choice:
Enable user to input the original investment data instead of split adjusted
➡️All transactions reflect the actual flow of events in one’s investing journey
➡️More accurate & detailed data
➡️More possibilities to calculate returns & dividends e.g closed positions
Stockle Transactions Log - Purchases Table🗒️
- Current Qty refers to the no. shares is left in purchase after sells and possible splits
- Purchased Qty refers to the original number of shares
- Green ↔️ icon next to qty implies that a split has occurred after the purchase
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Lots of investment trackers
But when it comes to simply having detailed data on investments at multiple levels things get tough
💡In my experience this has a lot to do with how the tracker's logic and data model is designed
It affects how investments can be analysed for a user
💡There are numerous dividend trackers to choose from, and Stockle is one among them.
However,
analysing and managing long-term investment portfolios with various strategies can be challenging using current tools.
We are here to make a difference in that regard📈
#FinTwit
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💡Similarities in investing, finance and coding.
Sometimes you need to clear the crap out of the way first in order to start from a clean slate.
This can be applied to e.g. fixing your finances, investments or broken function in code.
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@michaelambass
@jash774
@codev206
@OpenDevLog
@romanmoneyconvo
@sunwooz
@shnai0
@samuelonyebekeh
@noahgsolomon
@_miloi
@edkinge_
@rossalex_
@digitalideas
@pseudokid
@BDHoang_
@SYS_Jordan
Sure no problem! Thank you!🤝
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@BonVisions
@IAmDavidFavour
@X
Tried using hashtags in the beginning but did not see any benefits.
I think the algorithms have passed the hashtag stage and its more content + engaging now.
However tags like
#buildinpublic
have some benefits.
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How activity in Stockle is somewhat correlated to the markets:
📈When markets go up, investors are more keen to see how they perform
📉When markets are down, investors are less keen to view their investments
🛑When markets are closed (weekends) activity in the site is lower
The past month has been strong in the markets🦾📈
🇺🇸 $SPY +5.62%
🇺🇸 $QQQ +6.05%
🇩🇪 $DAX +7.95%
EURO STOXX 50 +5.84%
🇮🇳NIFTY50 +5.39%
🇫🇮OMXH25 +4.13%
🇸🇪OMXS30 +5.80%
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@SYS_Jordan
@OpenDevLog
@jash774
@romanmoneyconvo
@michaelambass
@sunwooz
@shnai0
@samuelonyebekeh
@noahgsolomon
@_miloi
@edkinge_
@rossalex_
@digitalideas
@codev206
@pseudokid
@BDHoang_
Thank you! I must agree with you on that💯🤝
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@Stammy
Interesting post! We are actually building something similar, just for web, with strong focus on user experience.
Aiming to improve continuously but can definitely acknowledge the exact same problems you've faced!
If you feel like it feel free to test out our design🤝
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Worked on some performance optimisations on Stockle today to prepare for the launch of a new subscription plan🚀
What do you think is the optimal number of different subscription plans for a SaaS?
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Love semiconductor stocks, so interesting to see how this plays out!
Over the course of 3 years, I've been reallocating my portfolio to invest in semiconductor stocks.
I did this instead of using thematic ETFs like $SMH or $SOXX
Did I outperform them?
Or would I have been better off just using an ETF?
Over the next few weeks, I'll be doing…
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What does your project do for its users?
Share your work!⤵️
#buildinpublic
Your job:
Find great investments and allocate your money wisely.
Our job:
To keep you informed of your investments performance and help you become a better investor.
#FinTwit
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@CityCoderUS
@JanuBuilds
@VincetOmniaDeo
@CodexABQ
@bretwp
@ActonIdes
@cloudnativechlo
@duxpod
@socozyy
@jianyusu0988
@JoseMedina724
@nolimits_sagar
@curbyourdata
@techesachin
@rai__bread
Thank you for the mention, I appreciate it! Glad to connect
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Saw a post on Reddit discussing Instagram becoming🗑️ and how it fails to connect like-minded users.
Instead it promotes random content from larger accounts and e.g. hides recent posts on hashtags making it hard to find smaller accounts.
Is X type of platforms the future?
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@mattdotbartlett
@audiencon
@dotinvoke
@_hariti
@nicolasadamini
@robj3d3
@JoeTannorella
@jo4code
@ekremcetinkaya_
@Petegreen_
Wow huge thanks for the mention! Appreciate it🤝
And congrats on the milestone!💯💯💯
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My go-to project management tool is
@linear
(We use it for Stockle also)
The UI and its logic is 💯Can recommend!
Have tried previously
- Jira
- Trello
- Redmine
- Memorizing everything🧠 aka not using anything
Which one do you prefer?
#buildinpublic
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Few words about my investing style:
(🚨Spoiler alert its the boring but effective one)
Focus on long-term, holding for decades
- DCA monthly into index funds/ETFs
- Picking stocks when opportunities arise
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Exploring Naples, Italy
A little over 25k steps today.
Should I stick to 🍻 and 🍕tomorrow?
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Facts.
If you don’t know how to Google are you even a programmer?
used to think googling while coding was cheating
actually realized googling is the top skill a developer should posses
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@codev206
@OpenDevLog
@jash774
@romanmoneyconvo
@michaelambass
@sunwooz
@shnai0
@samuelonyebekeh
@noahgsolomon
@_miloi
@edkinge_
@rossalex_
@digitalideas
@pseudokid
@BDHoang_
@SYS_Jordan
Thanks for being part of it!
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Todo:
Modifying few sql queries to include more fields and writing content for landing page of
@stockleapp
Dropping new features soon!✅
#buildinpublic
What is on your todo list today?
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Pro tip for programmers:
Exercising keeps the mind sharp for finding bugs.
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User reported a bug❌
Time for some quality bug fixing & new tests☑️
Writing tests is probably the most boring thing in coding but usually it saves a ton of time later on.
Do you write tests?
#buildinpublic
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I wonder which one is easier:
Try to make every single country in the world use the same currency
or
just continue to simplify the currency rate logic in Stockle
#buildinpublic
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$HOOD is bringing usability in financial platforms which is often thought as a quite stiff field.
Usually brokerages focus is mainly to enable investing, UX/UI not that much.
One of our focus for Stockle has been to make it simply comfortable to use.
#buildinpublic
What if I told you...
that investing can be fun
and
fintech platforms don't have to be developed with the same user experience as they had in 1990s.
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@AmanBis68156523
AWS has so many different aspects to it so there definitely is something for everyone!
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