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☦️ Travelling between the Hittite arma and the Shoshone mɯa. Symbolism, that is all
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Shared Numic cognates: A list
Some of you might have seen a glimpse of these cognates that I posted, but I decided to update them properly.
I pin this, so it will be easier for me to work on this list and it will eventually go to my Numic vocabulary comparison thread.
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That one time when the USA and the USSR fought each other in Alaska.
Alright, their arctic people fought each other.
In 1947, the last great Chukchi raid was conducted against the Inuit in Wales, Alaska.
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It is a good thread, but there are some glaring mistakes in it that I could not ignore, so I will explain them to my followers.
Thread on what made the Comanche the most brutal and feared American Indian horse warriors, how they halted European expansion for generations, and how the Anglo-Texans eventually learned to defeat them. 🧵
(Part 1)
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Thank you (or in Comanche, ʉra) for reading my thread, I can provide with citations if my followers/mutuals ask for it and show which books are reasonable about this subject.
If you have any questions, I will be happy to hear them.
God bless and take care.
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Both groups were warlike, however the Chukchi were reknown for their warfare. They targeted their Siberian neighbours, attacked American ships and raided the coasts of Japan.
So it was a surprise to everyone when they voluntarily joined the Russians after decades of fighting.
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People need to know that the Numic expansion accelerated in the 13th century, so contributing it to the climate of Wyoming is hardly justified.
The Numic people apparently wiped out the early inhabitants of the Great Basin and went upwards, towards the Rocky mountains.
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Calling them outcasts or claiming that they were bullied is unreasonable and I can immediately spot that you used Gwynne's book for your thread.
While the book is popular, it is unfortunately the reason why people make baseless and downright wrong claims about the Comanche-
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The Hittites loved beer and they produced several types of it.
The best thing is that we can replicate the method used by them in order to experience their beverages...
...and they do not taste awful.
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Thus you end up with claims such as these:
''So the Comanche, even more so than other Indian tribes, developed an extreme love of violence, torture, and war.''
You base this quote on what? You think that torture among the Comanche was different from other tribes?
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Based on linguistic evidence, we know that they were an off-shoot to the Eastern Shoshone.
However, the Comanche retained some archaic features, thus we can conclude that they left the main Shoshone body around 1650 AD~ and went south.
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That being said, they were NOT outcasts. The current Shoshone reservations stretch from California to Idaho.
Pre-1785 Shoshone were the absolute powerhouse of the western part of the USA, clashing with the Blackfeet in their own territory and fighting them in Saskatchewan.
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The motifs for these attacks varies, but usually consisted of the need for personal glory, loot, revenge and the search for brides.
One of the ships they attacked had black workers and their families as passengers and after killing the men they went away with the women.
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''The Comanche were the first tribe to adopt and master the horse for war.''
The Apache were ultimately the first natives to use it for war against the Pueblo and the Spanish.
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It wasn't any different from other tribes. Yes, there was a reason why, at times, the Comanche were brutal, but it can be explained through their worldview (and their shared heritage with other Uto-Aztecan people).
And while vengeful at times, they were not-
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engulfed in madness and wrath. They were merciful to those who did not challenge them and usually left them alone (Wichita, the Pueblos) as for the Comanche, war is not a necessity, but a game to enjoy.
Can you enjoy a game if your opponent is weary and afraid?
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The Navajo verb for wife beating
Or even better;
A personal name
@GreatValueArhat
I remember a post here that argued that one of the Navajo (sur)names came from the verb ''wife beating''
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HOW DID THE HITTITES LOOK LIKE?
In this thread, I'll be showing some insights on the Hittite appearance.
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Speaking about armour, this Achaean reconstruction is neat.
Far better than to put a 17kg (37lbs) dendra armour on a footsoldier, unnecessary weight so to speak.
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and their enterprises.
It ignores the early history of the Comanche and simplifying the relation between the early settlers (whether Spanish, Mexican, French or Anglo-Irish) and them.
Because of the lack of the Comanche perspective, the tribe ends up being portrayed as dull.
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The Russian presence in Chukotka diminished the intertribal warfare between the various groups in the area, making the Chukchi shift their point of interest to their oversea neighbours.
The Inuit also warred with their neighbours, especially the Dene. Both groups stole loot and-
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They were found living among the Chukchi by the Russians couldn't understand who these people were.
Eventhough the women were popular among the (young) Chukchi men, they were kept as servants who were being sold to other Chukchi villages.
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It was eventually decided to close the borders for the arctic natives, discourage any contact between them and issue a residence permit in order to choke out the raids.
Which it did.
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Comanche warbands were actually innovative as they did not have a single warchief. They did, in fact, not have a ''war chief''. If anyone wanted to start a raid or an expedition, he could just make a group of his own, without needing the permission of the elders.
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''So the Comanche migrated southwards to be closer to horseflesh, which they stole and bred and learned to ride on the Great Plains.''
That is not true, I will not bore you with the additional events that led to this migration, but to put it simply: The French lost a proxy war-
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Thomas Stewart Denison claimed that the Aztecs weren't originally from the Americas, but were actually a lost tribe of Aryan people from Central Asia.
He made a comparisons between classical Nahuatl and languages such as Sanskrit.
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women from each other, turning the hostilities quickly into an act of vengeance.
The relation between the Inuit and Chukchi were most of the time strained, with any misinterpretation becoming an analog for a fight.
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village named Wales and plundered the reindeer herds. The fight resulted in several dozens of fatalities. The Inuit answered with similar raids on Chukchi villages.
Despite the confrontations, neither the USSR nor the USA provide an official statement about said situation.
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One of the way to reduce the bloodshed was to have a duel. A walrus skin was stretched and served as a platform for the two fighters to engage.
Shards of bones were stitched at the edges of the skin and the goal was to roll or throw your adversary on the shards.
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against the Spanish in that region and the Comanche, being an ally to the French, had to move from the encroaching Utes.
They did (kinda) prefer the Southwestern region due to the abundance of trading hubs(Pueblos) compared to Texas and surrounding areas.
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The violent interactions did not stop when the USSR began its existence. It became worse as the Chukchi coveted the equipment that they couldn't get on the Soviet market, so they targeted the Alaskan natives instead.
While the WWII did slow down the hostilities,-
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''The Comanche never understood why the whites seemed to take this all so personally.''
No, they knew and understood it, but ask yourself; why would they care? The Anglo settlers challenged them in their own domains, which the Comanche found to be treacherous and impudent.
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The Soviet placed their paratroopers in Chukotka and worked out scenarios for a possible landing in Alaska if the Americans would start an operation. The area quickly became very hostile.
small skirmishes were known, however in 1947, several dozen Chukchi attacked a small-
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both the Americans and the Soviets saw a potential war brewing in the arctic.
The USA warned the disbanded territorial guard (that consisted of arctic natives) of ''inevitable war'' with the Soviets and tested their military equipment to examine its usability in the arctic.
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The other half of the thread is about the Comanche warfare, which deserves its own thread. The reason why I am still semi-active is because of some threads (warfare being one of them) I am currently making. You'll see what I mean in a month, at the end of my Lent.
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No, they would not and wouldn't want to rule over Oaxaca. That is not how Comanche or Plain indian style expansion worked. It was never about the land, but about the buffalo and trade. Usually, plains were of interest to the Comanche, but assuming that they-
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This is why Comanche had a tendency to use different methods at different times, as it was the group who decided how to fight, not the warchief or the older warriors of the band.
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The Spanish actually managed to ''subdue'' the Comanche, but not through force, but rather through diplomacy. The Spaniards made peace between the Utes and Comanche and used the combining force to crush the Apache.
The Spanish influence dwindled and the alliance broke down.
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The did in fact managed to travel to Yucatán and the Comanche word for monkey is kwasi taiboo or foreign (white) man with tail.
But they would not consider that to be a part of a conquest as none of the Comanche bands lived there.
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''The Comanches had lived unmolested deep in the high plains for generations, so their perpetual weakness was lax camp security.''
That would have been a death sentence for the Comanche as other rival tribes would have exploited it. While this did happen, it was not the norm.
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only there to catch buffalo is simplifying their relation with the settlers and other native american tribes. This is why they liked to be around trading hubs, for the Comanche did in fact like the commerce in the region. They did not want more land than that which they can hold.
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They did have a very bad relationship with the Mexicans, but that can partly be explained due to the Mexican government and its attitude to captive Mexicans.
The Comanche would not respect those whose own people did not respect.
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comparing the Kóryos with any of the mentioned examples is wrong. The Kóryos is actually a tragic tale, rather than a story of great conquest that the three other examples had.
Yet none of the three examples are close to each other.
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''The Comanche multiplied and became the undisputed rulers of the American steppe, exactly like the Mongols or Huns or Yamnaya did with their koryos warrior brotherhoods. If given more time, they would have conquered the continent from Alberta to Oaxaca.''
Alright-
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The educative visuals made by the Chinese about the Hittites is better than what we have here in the west.
It is not even funny anymore, why are we lacking visual representation and decent information of them for the public?
They used the bad map though.
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UTO-AZTECAN ICONOGRAPHY IN THE SOUTHWEST: PART 2
TEZCATLIPOCA'S FANGS AND THE CULT OF THE OBSIDIAN BLADE
Today we'll look upon the symbolism of the obsidian stone for the (Proto-)Uto-Nahuan people and the Aztec comparison of it. (1/19)
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EXPLAINING HITTITE RELIGION: part 1
The sun god and the earth sun goddess
Welcome to my new series, where we look into the confusing and misunderstood Hittite religious beliefs.
One of wrong claims I saw here is that the Hittite sky sun deity is a female, which is not true.
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All these signs dropped the ball by not using this:
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Some Erzyan content:
I (loosely) translated the part of the Erzya-Mokshan epic Mastorava that sings about the death of a woman named Kilyava (birch woman in Erzyan), who fought against the Nogai raiders that attacked and destroyed her village.
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that is actually an infant girl from the Tundra Nenets people in her malitsa
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I got one for you, Southern Cheyenne style: ''Message sent by an old man of the Cheyenne tribe to his son. A man named Turtle-thatfollows-his-wife sends the pictographic message to his son named Little-man. Their names are indicated above their heads. (1/3)
@huhlakat
When a second century Teotihuacanian emits a speech bubble I sit my white ass down and I listen.
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Today I'll present you the earliest Indo-European verse that we have found, coming from the Hittite Puḫanu-text that speaks about the time of Ḫattušili I and his Syrian campaign.
Puḫanu is also narrating the struggle between the Hittites and the Hurrians (1/4)
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Still one of the best Hittite kingdom/empire map I have ever seen
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The first one is a Tlingit, next to him is a Pomo warrior. The armour is similar, perhaps a result of some trading connections?
The PNW natives did raid the Californian coast, but was that enough to influence the inhabitants?
from ''American Indian Material Culture'' of Pieter Hovens
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So I want to discuss this site with my followers because it has some pecularities.
But before that let me explain the problem with this site.
Deposit of remains from the Crow Creek Massacre, in present day South Dakota. Dated to about 1350, this deposit of at least 486 victims - men, women, and children - represents the largest pre-Columbian massacre with an archaeological record. Virtually all the victims were scalped
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@TogaPartygoer
Great observation, I will be honest to you, I made it a bit informal as I did not know that it will take off. However, as I mentioned in the thread, these claims come from certain sources rather than from OP himself, so my refutations are against the sources themselves.
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UTO-AZTECAN ICONOGRAPHY OF THE SOUTHWEST PART 3
Quetzalcoatl's transcendence and the tamer of death.
It is only fair that we'll discuss the symbolism of Quetzalcoatl, after talking about his twin brother. (1/16)
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I was asked about the material I used for my Comanche threads, so I will use this thread to explain some details:
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Exerpts from ''Comanche Ethnography''
Some stories from Niyah, a Comanche.
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THE UTO AZTECAN ICONOGRAPHY OF THE SOUTHWEST: PART ONE
The serpent symbolism.
Several people were interested in my refutal of the claim that the serpent is purely a symbol of earth in theAztec worldview, so this thread has been made to explain my standpoint.
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Today, I will teach you how to pronounce Šuppiluliuma
hint: It is not Shuppiluuliuma
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Two Hittite scribes drew their self-portraits on the tablet they worked on (KUB 38.3)
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Long distance running among the natives in Mexico and USA are both dominated by the Uto-Aztecans.
I cannot really explain this phenomena other than it has to be a core concept among these people as they're not the only ones who live(d) in dry, mountainous areas.
Uto-Aztecans and running, name a more iconic duo
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The Lakota will look you dead in the eye and proclaim themselves to be a humble nation after casually claiming half of the United States.
What amazes me is that when I was in Pine Ridge rez, I asked this lady how such and such is said. It was just like how we, Dene, also worded it.
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from ''American Indian Material Culture'' of Pieter Hovens
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@BardnanGael
Someone on this website called the Egyptians the ''pajeets of MENA'' and honestly I can understand his thought. Very devastating
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WITIKO PSYCHOSIS AMONG NATIVE AMERICANS PART 1: DESCRIBING THE INCIDENT
On December 20th, 1879, at 7:30, a Cree man named Swift Runner (Kak-say-kwyo-chin) was executed at Fort Saskatchewan for murdering and eating his wife Charlotte, his mother-in-law, his (1)
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NO MORE BROTHER WARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
⛔️⛔️⛔️⛔️⛔️
𒁉𒊺𒉌𒌍-𐀒𐀺 (ko-wo) should stay together
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Some notes and critique of S.C. Gwynne's ''Empire of the summer moon''
This book has been highly praised by many, claiming it to be an eye-opener on the tribal history of the Comanche people and a great summary on the feats of both the Texans and the amerindian groups. (1)
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The end result? Apparently the beer the Hittites brewed in Sarissa tasted somewhat like the Belgian Duvel and was found to be of an ale type.
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The katana of Red Cloud (Mahpíya Lúta), an Oglala Lakota leader, in his house. His wife Pretty Owl is pictured here (1890)
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Uto-Nahuan migration between 8000BC-2000BC, the blue pins indicate the settlements left by these people.
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Missed this outrage......
I won't say much, but the people who got mad that he described Moche culture as ''cartoonishly heinous'' should realize that their anger isn't going to be taken serious as almost none of them explained ''why'' he is wrong.
Moche culture was cartoonishly heinous - expert metalworkers garroting teenage girls, necrophiliac ceramic work, an arachnid sacrificial deity called 'the Decapitator', a jaguar-fanged creator...
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They used the seeds of the Indian knotgrass, also known as Madimak, and other plants from the genus Polygonum to make the alcoholic drink bitter as hops weren't known then. However, sweet(ened) beverages were also brewed such as the marnuan-drink (honey-beer).
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Yucátec Mayans had/have slur words towards the Nahua people ( and general highland natives)
Truly, they dislike everyone who wasn't born on their street
@Kalakkmul
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This could be our friendship sign, but someone sperged out with this
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Dibé yázhí in Navajo means lamb
dibé-sheep
yázhí- offspring
LAMB IN INDO-EUROPEAN 🐑
Vedic Sanskrit úraṇ-
Sogdian wrʾn (warān),
Persian barra
Kurdish berx
Ancient Greek ἀρήν (arḗn)
Mycenaean we-re-ne-ja /wrēneja/ ‘of a lamb’
Cretan ϝαρήν (warḗn)
Tsakonian βάννε
Armenian gaṙn
Albanian rrunjë
Tocharian B yriye, obl. yari
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:'<~~''
"A mural in Teotihuacan, Mexico (c. 2nd century) depicting a person emitting a speech scroll from his mouth, symbolizing speech"
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The Hittite (upperclass) society when we realize the [š] in Hittite texts is phonologically an [s].
Šemitic Šibilantš were dešigned to give hištorical phonologists anxiety
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It's almost...... precious. I don't know how to explain it, but it's akin to a child showing their badly made drawing to their idol. It may be ugly, but it comes out of goodwill.
That being said, Every German is partly made of Karl May & co.
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Usually they get posted without a name, so here I post them:
Pedro Begay
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Perhaps some of you might have seen Sheridan's 1883, the tv series The Son, the newest Magnificent Seven or even the Prey.
What combines them is not only the theme of said productions, but also the usage of the Comanche language.
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It has been revealed that helva is actually a Hittite dessert
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They're showing the remains of a man with dwarfism who died in a fire after someone attacked his settlement. Western and Central Anatolia was suffered widespread violence around 1700BC~.
3700 yaşında bir cüce. 1.30 m boyunda ve 40-45 yaşlarında. Yerleşmeye yapılan saldırı sırasında evinden kaçamamış. O'nu evindeki eşyaların altında bulduk. :(
Hikayesi
@AktuelArkeoloji
'nin son sayısında...
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These are the material I use or will use about the Comanche:
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@AmygdalaBurdach
Interesting comment, however, they were not outcasts. Better ask yourself who made them pariahs in the first place if you persist.
Also, the Southern Athabascan tribes have been using the horse before their Numic neighbours and we know this based on the records the Spanish left
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The Indigenous title is one of the worst things that happened to native minorities.
People unironically think that you transcend this realm if your people become the '' indigenous'' people, while in reality nothing changes, you problems will be ignored with great determination.
This is all quite similar to the rhetoric you hear about the Sámi here in the Nordics. I don't dislike the Sámi, at all in fact - their dress and languages are beautiful, their lifestyle fascinating, their history tragic - but the claim that they are "uniquely indigenous" is bunk
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