@soltysh @MrBobbyTables @tophee @bridgetkromhout @CloudNativeFdn . @jagosan is a Director of Engineering at Google & a Kubernetes contributor since the early days. He also spoke up and offered to help advise folks on the issue of expressing the business value of open source!

@soltysh @MrBobbyTables @tophee @bridgetkromhout @CloudNativeFdn @jagosan "Scaling. Something Kubernetes is good at. Just not so much on the people side..." - @MrBobbyTables

@soltysh @MrBobbyTables @tophee @bridgetkromhout @CloudNativeFdn @jagosan . @thockin made the generous offer to chat with companies who may need perspective.Core maintainers of Kubernetes, those who have been around since the early days, know a lot about the value of contributions.

@soltysh @MrBobbyTables @tophee @bridgetkromhout @CloudNativeFdn @jagosan @thockin If your company takes a dependency on upstream, that can be a risk. Your company can be on the hook to maintain something, and upstream changes can throw a wrench in things.

@soltysh @MrBobbyTables @tophee @bridgetkromhout @CloudNativeFdn @jagosan @thockin The @CloudNativeFdn is doing work to encourage End Users to contribute to the open source projects they use! @onlydole got a shout-out twice for the programs he's running to help end user companies understand & train engineers to contribute! @jeefy

@soltysh @MrBobbyTables @tophee @bridgetkromhout @CloudNativeFdn @jagosan @thockin @onlydole @jeefy It's important to make the benefits of contributing to open source clear and accessible. The Kubernetes Annual Report is one way the project tries to do this. The @CloudNativeFdn also creates a number of reports across the ecosystem for this purpose.

@soltysh @MrBobbyTables @tophee @bridgetkromhout @CloudNativeFdn @jagosan @thockin @onlydole @jeefy . @MadhavJivrajani once ran a Kubernetes Enhancement Proposal (KEP) reading club! The purpose was to encourage feedback on KEPs at an earlier stage. Especially from End Users. It would be interesting to see collaboration here with the CNCF End User group. @onlydole

@soltysh @MrBobbyTables @tophee @bridgetkromhout @CloudNativeFdn @jagosan @thockin @onlydole @jeefy @MadhavJivrajani The @CloudNativeFdn has a collection of stories about End Users getting benefits from Open Source work. These are great artifacts, it would be great to make them more well-known! @onlydole

@soltysh @MrBobbyTables @tophee @bridgetkromhout @CloudNativeFdn @jagosan @thockin @onlydole @jeefy @MadhavJivrajani End Users might worry that if they get involved in the community, they'll get pulled in deeper than they want to be. We should also work to make it clear that the amount they can participate is valuable, even if it's small.

@soltysh @MrBobbyTables @tophee @bridgetkromhout @CloudNativeFdn @jagosan @thockin @onlydole @jeefy @MadhavJivrajani Cloud Providers are moving out of tree, removing 1.7 million lines of code from upstream #Kubernetes ! 🤯 @dims @thockin

@dims @kaslinfields @soltysh @MrBobbyTables @tophee @bridgetkromhout @CloudNativeFdn @jagosan @onlydole @jeefy @MadhavJivrajani Well someopne just topped the chart :)