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Is Jokic the 1st player ever where “he’ll score 30 but also give up 30” is actually a reality?.
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It’s so funny that people were just quick to write him off as a non-top 10 player.
Steph Curry since the trade deadline:. 30.2 PPG.5.2 APG.5.5 3PM.61.4% TS
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Nah I deadass hate yall man. Guy’s been doing this for half a decade in Miami but now he’s playing next to Steph, it’s a revelation.
JIMMY BUTLER III IS A ONE-MAN WRECKING CREW 🔒🔒. He guards everyone on this possession to force the shot-clock violation!
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I don’t think people understand what they’re watching in OKC honestly.
Shannon Sharpe: "Let us get OKC in the Western Conference Finals. I guarantee it! . If the Lakers get the OKC Thunder in the Western Conference, we are going to the NBA Finals!". Stephen A. Smith: "Shannon need to be drug tested." 😂.
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People legit don’t understand how transcendental of a player Wade was at the peak of his powers until you actually play some tape of the man. Unreal athlete with some of the freakiest physical traits of any guard to ever play this game.
It's so crazy to think that the NBA at one point had a player who moved with the flexibility, balance, and angles of Shai. but with the explosiveness of Anthony Edwards.
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Apparently Jokic is the first and only player ever to see remotely tough coverages guys! Wow!.
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SGA’s legit all-defensive while being the single most unstoppable and inevitable scorer ITL. MVP him.
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Someone’s “top 5 peak ever” currently has a 49.61 TS% this series, 55.5% for these playoffs in big 2025 man.
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Lmaoooo blud hasn’t posted since those websites went down #ripbozo guy ruined nba clipping for a whole lot of people man.
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Steph is moderately behind Dame in all of these categories while playing 4 less minutes per game, and is moderately less efficient while having an insurmountably higher offensive load. We can be disingenuous but it’s a bad look.
Dame averages more PTS, REB, AST, and STL while being more efficient and a much better defender. We are talking about THIS year, not their careers. Dame has very clearly been better.
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@washed1000 Maybe but at the same time Jokic occupies a defensive position far easier to target and is inherently more valuable.
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Kobe Bryant vs the San Antonio Spurs in the 2008 playoffs (per 75):. ▫��32.6 points.▫️6.2 rebounds.▫️4.2 assists.▫️5.8 rim FGAs (73.1%).▫️15.6 midrange FGAs (52.9%).▫️5.4 3PAs (33.3%).▫️58.9 TS% (+6.9 rTS%).▫️Spurs were a top 3 defense (-5.7 rDRtg). ATG offensive series.
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2008-10 Kobe Bryant vs elite defenses in the postseason:. ‣ 28.5 points.‣ 5.8 rebounds.‣ 4.6 assists.‣ 3.0 turnovers.‣ +1.9 opponent-adjusted rTS%.‣ engined +4.0 rORtg. Played against some of the most staunch defenses of the modern era and still performed.
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GOAT-level PR team.
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No, Dwyane Wade gave Pat Riley the greatest player of all-time at his peak.
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Team’s OREB% plummeted by like 14% when she went to the bench, coinciding with 4-5 less 2nd chance possessions per 100 (and a 20-point drop in 2nd chance efficiency). She’s undoubtedly immensely valuable to her team.
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Also saying that Dame is “much better” defensively than almost anyone is pretty hilarious, honestly.
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Imagine coming up with the dumbest arbitrary criterion to keep LeBron out of being a Lakers great… that simultaneously keeps out Jerry West… the guy who is deadass Mr. Lakers, out of being a Lakers great.
Ric Bucher says you need 10 years of service and 3 championships to be considered a Lakers great . "LeBron isn't an all-time Lakers great.". (🎥 @SpeakOnFS1 ).
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@na7ural_ That’s not how that works, players having an higher offensive burden and playing on a roster more devoid of offensive creation is going to signal a slight decline in efficiency relative to someone playing in a less strenuous offensive context.
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Oh, how crazy was Steve Nash? . He only averaged 23-4-12 per 75 in the playoffs from 2005-07, on 50/40/91 splits and a +7.4 opponent-adjusted rTS% while leading the best 3-yr playoff offense… ever?
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Dwyane Wade was a *monster* in the postseason from 2009-11 (per 75):. ▫️31.0 points.▫️7.5 rebounds.▫️5.7 assists.▫️1.7 steals.▫️1.7 blocks.▫️58.2 TS% (+5.28 opponent-adjusted rTS%).▫️66.2 rim FG% (7.6 FGAs).▫️42.5 midrange FG% (9.8 FGAs).▫️78.0 FT% (9.7 FTAs). Insane player man.
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“9% drop in TS%… 6-point drop in per possession scoring volume… 2 less assists/75 with 1 more turnover from the regular season…”
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From 1997-2004, Kobe averaged 22-5-4 on like +3 efficiency, was a 6x All-Star and All-NBA player, 3 rings, 0 Finals MVPs. Shaq in that same span? 27-12-3 on +6 efficiency, 7x All-Star, 8x All-NBA and a 3x consecutive Finals MVP. But surely, Kobe was NEVER a sidekick.
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God, there’s only a handful of NBA players to have ever played this game that I’d rather watch than a healthy Kawhi man.
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Hakeem Olajuwon’s adjusted averages through the 1993-95 postseasons (per 75):. ▫️30.2 points.▫️11.6 rebounds.▫️4.5 assists.▫️1.6 steals.▫️3.8 blocks.▫️56.4 TS% (+3.3 opponent-adjusted rTS%).▫️Engined a +5.4 rORtg playoff offense against -1.9 rDRtg defenses. Top _ peak in history?
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Julius Randle—in his first postseason series in Minny—averaged 23-5-4 on 48/39/84 splits with a +3.9 opponent-adjusted rTS%, all the while holding up defensively in spurts against both Luka Doncic and LeBron James. But he’s not a player that’s not additive to winning situations.
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Lowkey think 2015-16 Bron his best honestly. Perfect blend of that later career sage-like approach on offense while still being a clearly elite defensive wing in his athletic prime. LeBron is such an insane player that you can have conversations about 2009/10, 2012-14, 2016-18.
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per 75 Dame is averaging 25.1, 4.7, 7.1, Steph is at 27.3, 5.1, also 7.1.
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Bam Adebayo is averaging 20-12-5 with 55/33/72 splits and a 60 TS% over his last 8 games.
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@Savcon3 Just by nature of the way the game is played now as opposed to then, I just don’t think Moses was as susceptible to being targeted to the degree Jokic is today, nor was he, relatively, as detrimental a defender when he was scoring 30 or close to it as Jokic.
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@Koolaidcooling disagree with that vehemently. Braun/AG are probably the ideal archetype of defensive you’d want to surround him with, and even someone like Russ has been additive in the role he’s been asked to execute on that end.
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@TheFinaleT Literally scum, like not only is he a tub of lard the guy was a weird perv too, fuck him.
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Andy Bailey is legit one of the absolute worst voices in NBA media. Awful, disingenuous hack.
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‘06-‘08 Kobe 31 on +4.9 in the playoffs flirting, ‘09-‘11 Wade 31 on +5.3 in the playoffs harassment.
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Btw whoever is saying “2023 iS His PeAk” is an absolute loser because there’s truly no discernible difference in Jokic between now and then aside from the fact that he’s playing ACTUAL high quality teams/defenses and we’re seeing the difference.
Someone’s “top 5 peak ever” currently has a 49.61 TS% this series, 55.5% for these playoffs in big 2025 man.
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@jfeltonnn I don’t think there’s an actual scenario where a guard is in a position to give up that much. Not to mention that, as much as I love Nash, his scoring totals just don’t reach this kind of convo.
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Reggie Miller’s adjusted averages through the 1993-95 postseasons (per 75):. ▫️30.6 points.▫️4.0 rebounds.▫️3.1 assists.▫️1.3 steals.▫️61.7 TS% (+10.42 opponent-adjusted rTS%).▫️Engine of a +5.7 rORtg team vs. -4.1 rDRtg (on average) teams. Historically great scorer.
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Shaquille O’Neal adjusted averages during the 2000-02 3-peat (per 75):. ▫️32.0 points.▫️15.5 rebounds (5.1 oreb.).▫️3.3 assists.▫️2.6 blocks.▫️75.7 rim FG% (535 FGAs).▫️56.2 TS% (+5.78 opponent-adjusted rTS%).▫️Primary engine of a +9.1 rORtg playoff team. All-time great player.
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Man, I absolutely fucking WISH KG had a modicum of the talent, and lineup versatility Ant has had to play with during his Minnesota tenure. Cuz then we wouldn’t have to see dumbass rhetoric like this.
Anthony Edwards is already the greatest hooper to ever play for the Timberwolves 🐜 . That's no disrespect to Kevin Garnett. The Big Ticket was a beast during his time at Minny. But individual accolades aside, Ant's already cleared KG and any other player that donned a
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Caruso might be the best defensive guard this league has ever seen man.
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@Chp_Spinna “Look at me, I know ball, let me speak about a random player who’s ass for 95% of his possessions but he has an occasional few highlight plays 🤓👆”.
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I was looking at this last night. I’m sorry DK fans but I’m making that move so fast if that’s what it takes.
kessler is younger than knecht.
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@ManuEBC2 This is apparently acceptable defense to be compared to top 5 players to ever play this game.
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Magic Johnson vs elite defenses (1988-90):. ▫️18.8 points.▫️5.5 rebounds.▫️11.9 assists.▫️3.5 turnovers.▫️+7.8 opponent-adjusted rTS%.▫️led +7.9 opponent-adjusted team ORtg. Some of the most resilient offensive players to have ever played this game.
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Even at his advanced age, still one of the premier defensive playmakers ITL and easily in the convo for best off-ball defensive wing in our game. Guy just changes life on that end.
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Why can’t we ever just leave it at ‘this guy is an awesome player when healthy, truly an all-time great whenever he’s on the court’?. Like why do we feel the need to unnecessarily insert players in discussions they have no business being in?
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In non-LeBron minutes since 2023, AD raises his scoring average to 29.4 points/75 with a respectable 61 TS%. Like, this is very much a guy that can scale up and occupy a scoring vacuum at a high level.
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People were so preemptively putting him > peak Bean/Wade man, like let’s slow things down a little.
SGA being a playoff dropper is strange to me man.
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“Ja vs Spida” omg they don’t know 💔.
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In 60 playoff games from 2017-21, Kawhi Leonard averaged 29.3 points/75 with a 63.1 TS%. Behind that production, Kawhi shot 67.7% at the rim (5.0 FGAs/75), 49.5% from the midrange (9.0 FGAs/75), 38.3% from 3 (5.5 3PAs/75), and 88.9% from the line (8.1 FTAs/75). All-time scorer.
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From ‘89-‘91, Jordan shot 70.8% at the rim (7.3 attempts per game) and 47.1% from midrange (11.2 attempts per game). What a special scorer bro lmao.
I'm proud to say that we now have shooting data for Michael Jordan's entire playoff career. Here is a summary but for a breakdown of each postseason plus some individual games, check out the RealGM thread:
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Highkey hate to see Wemby not finish out the year. Guy was having a ‘94 Shaq/‘86 Hakeem kind of breakout season.
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1993-95 Hakeem Olajuwon vs elite defenses in the playoffs:. ▫️28.1 points.▫️11.6 rebounds.▫️4.4 assists.▫️5.7 stocks.▫️4.0 turnovers.▫️+5.0 opponent-adjusted rTS%.▫️engined +3.4 opponent-adjusted rORtg. The pinnacle of two-way play in the postseason. Just an absolute monster.
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Scottie Pippen from 1994-96 (per 75):. ▫️23.4 points.▫️8.6 rebounds.▫️6.2 assists.▫️2.8 steals.▫️1.0 blocks.▫️+1.3 rTS%.▫️+7.2 BPM.▫️85-50 record w/o MJ (63.0%). One of the greatest players of all-time.
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Stephen Curry has another amplifier in Jimmy Butler:. ▫️Curry’s points/75 w/ Butler on: 27.7 points.▫️Curry’s points/75 w/ Butler off: 26.8 points.▫️Curry’s TS% w/ Butler on: 64.1%.▫️Curry’s TS% w/ Butler off: 60.8%
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The guy legit creates or exploits practically every advantage in the half-court/semi-transition/transition for this team man.
I used to be a denier but Halliburton is simply a winning player, he doesn’t have the gaudy PRA of other “stars” but he’s legit the system in Indy. There’s a reason the impact stats love him (8th LEBRON, 24th DARKO, 11th eRAPTOR) despite mid on/offs and PRA.
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Honestly Jimmy to GSW has to suck if you’re a team like Memphis or whomever else cuz he’s legit a clear needle-moving guy. Lowkey would’ve wanted to see him on the Grizzlies, that would’ve been insane hoops.
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“They the Magic but they know who really got the Magic over here, no Harry Potter.”. — Jaylen Brown before Game 1 vs. Magic. (h/t @SportsCenter)
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People treat TS% like it’s 2012 or something man, y’all seriously have to stop thinking so archaically man.
Someone’s “top 5 peak ever” currently has a 49.61 TS% this series, 55.5% for these playoffs in big 2025 man.
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Dirk gets super underrated on O because of his less than standout PPG in the regular season and lack of APG relative to other offensive engines. The truth about his game lay in the nuances that come with truly *watching* him, and he is undoubtedly a top 15 offensive player OAT.
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Dirk Nowitzki in the postseason from 2009-11 produced at rates seldom seen before or since in NBA history; his 31.1 points per 75 and +9.68 relative TS% ranking 5th and 3rd for me of the players I’ve sampled thus far (only player top 5 in both volume and efficiency). Special.
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@Chp_Spinna He doesn’t need to be my brother in Christ. I hate when y’all get uber literal with everything, like a guy can be all-defensive level or produce at an all-defensive level for his role/position and not make the team or be top [insert arbitrary number] ITL.
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9 point drop in volume and 8% drop in efficiency juxtaposing his production from top 10 teams vs bottom 10 teams #hmmm.
This shouldn’t come as a shock. Jokic against Top 10 record:. 25.1 PPG.12.2 REB.9.1 AST.59 TS% .74 FT% .4.0 TOV.
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Obviously LeBron is wrong and was being super hyperbolic regarding his ‘70s comments, but I’m like 99% sure those comments stem from being fed up of *that* generation of players saying nonsense of guys playing today. LeBron would be great in any era, as would Giannis.
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Ngl it is pure insanity to have a player *average* 4 blocks per 75 all the while giving you an efficient 30-12-5 man lmao.
Hakeem Olajuwon’s adjusted averages through the 1993-95 postseasons (per 75):. ▫️30.2 points.▫️11.6 rebounds.▫️4.5 assists.▫️1.6 steals.▫️3.8 blocks.▫️56.4 TS% (+3.3 opponent-adjusted rTS%).▫️Engined a +5.4 rORtg playoff offense against -1.9 rDRtg defenses. Top _ peak in history?
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I do think people need to wake up, sip on some coffee or whatever, and realize that we’re watching the most transcendent team defense since the NBA/ABA merger in ‘77.
The 2025 Thunder have a… *checks notes*… -9.8 rDRtg through ≈40 games. The only team to have ever produced results like that was the 1964 Boston Celtics, anchored by the most single impactful defender to have ever lived in the history of basketball. What a damn team man.
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So at what point do we start respecting Wade as a historically great scorer?
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This isn’t even an indictment on Jokic as it’s not like he’s telling the statkeepers to do this but man, we’re VERY generous regarding how we quantify what an assist is.
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Like being a Lakers fan is just nonstop blessings every 10 years or so man. You just get blessed transcendent talent after talent after talent.
@Sageof6turtles 50s- mikan.60s- west.70s- wilt, kareem.80s- magic, kareem.90s- shaq.00s- shaq, kobe.10s- kobe, lebron.20s- lebron, ad, luka. they got a top 3 talent of every decade to play for them every decade. you cannot convince me this isnt foul play or satanic involvement.
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@georgemikan They were literally going to link up no matter what, Wade and Bron that is, they’ve deadass admitted that they were going to go to New York instead of Miami but opted to go with the latter instead of the former. Riley wasn’t a factor in acquiring Bron, it was Bron wanting to-.
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I think it’s awesome that KG is a former player that *gets* this era of basketball, probably because he himself was almost punished for being too different, too skilled, too guard-like for his time.
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Excuse me sir? Yeah, uh, Tony Parker is maybe the greatest short-guard finisher in league history. Go about your day.
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Favorite players at each position ever:. PG: West, Oscar, Nash, Lowry, Smart.SG: Wade, Harden, T-Mac, Reggie, Bane.SF: Bird, Pippen, G-Hill, Butler, Iguodala.PF: KG, Dirk, Barkley, AD, Rodman.C: Shaq, Hakeem, Russell, D-Rob, Walton.
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I’ve made hundreds of tweets on my old account about how that was the dumbest form of mismanagement I’ve maybe ever seen. Bron/AD/Gasol (347 MP): +11.95 net. Bron/AD/Drummond (74 MP): +1.83 net. From every perspective, AD/Gasol was the move man.
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Bmore’s NBA Awards. MVP:🥇SGA🥈Jokic🥉Tatum.DPOY:🥇Draymond🥈Mobley🥉Zubac.ROY:🥇Castle🥈Risacher🥉Edey.COTY:🥇Mark D🥈Kenny🥉JB. All-League.🥇SGA/Ant/Tatum/Giannis/Jokic.🥈Jalen/Steph/Cade/LeBron/Mobley.🥉Haliburton/D-Mitch/Harden/JJJ/KAT
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Reggie Miller’s 3-year postseason stretch from 1993-95 marks an impressive outing, even if strictly from a production standpoint:. ▫️30.57 points per 75 possessions on efficiency +10.42% adjusting for opponent quality (2nd highest per my sampling). A historically potent scorer.
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i do think tatum is super over scrutinized to some degree. like he’s undoubtedly one of the best itw, and has been for quite a few seasons in a row now. probably the most well-rounded player since true prime years bron.
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1st round predictions:. EAST.BOS > [insert] in 4-5.CLE > [insert] in 4-5.IND > MIL in 7.DET > NYK in 7. WEST.OKC > [insert] in 4-5.HOU [TBD].LAC > DEN in 6-7.MIN > LAL in 7. I do *not* feel confident in like 2-3 of these outcomes mans These playoffs are going to be so fun.
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It’s so funny how end-result based a lot of basketball discussions are. 1st round of the 2023 playoffs, “You could never win a ring with Jokic at center cuz he’s ass at the rim on D!” and then wham, they win, and he’s all of a sudden he’s a unanimous top 15 peak of all-time.
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Zion’s averaging 26-7-5-1-1 on 60.6% shooting (62.6 TS%) in less than 28 MPG.
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I feel like this has been said before but at times, aside from someone like LeBron maybe, Hakeem is legitimately the closest thing the a created player, the perfect basketball specimen on a macro scale ever honestly.
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Funniest thing about all of this Jokić nonsense is advanced statistics are meant to be indicators to things seen on the court, purely for guidance, not the entire crux of a point/argument/etc. Somewhere along the lines his fanbase just threw logic and reality out of the window.
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Shaquille O’Neal vs Philadelphia in the 2001 NBA Finals (per 75):. ▫️33.6 points.▫️16.2 rebounds.▫️6.3 oreb. ▫️4.9 assists.▫️3.5 blocks.▫️10.2 rim FGAs (72.0%).▫️56.1 TS% (+6.3 rTS%).▫️76ers were a top 5 defense (-4.1 rDRtg). One of the most dominant players of all-time.
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I do think people undervalue how much alleviating a defensive load can help a star or stars just function better during the duration of games, and subsequently a full season.
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And the absolutely stupid people saying that Luka is the greatest player to have ever been traded must’ve forgotten that Kareem, Shaq, and KG were all traded at one point or another.
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The greatest defensive playmaker our game has ever seen.
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JJJ legit a top 20 player in our sport, talk to a wall.
Are we sure Wemby is the DPOY?.Jaren Jackson Jr. has joined the conversation…
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‘60s: ‘65 Russell.‘70s: ‘77 Kareem.‘80s: ‘89 Jordan.‘90s: ‘91 Jordan.‘00s: ‘09 LeBron.‘10s: ‘16 LeBron.‘20s: ‘20 LeBron.
Highest NBA player peaks since the 60’s. 60s - 1967 Wilt.70s - 1977 Kareem.80s - 1989 Jordan.90s - 1994 Hakeem.00s - 2009 Lebron .10s - 2016 Curry.20s - 2021 Curry. Any changes?
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