Provisionist Standards
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Provisionists... our standards are so high we have 2 of them.
Joined June 2025
Except there is. Unwillingness to understand another's position and declaring it must be how you say it is isnt great. Its not good.
@ProvisionistP @Soteriology101 There is no permission in reformed theology. People do what they’re decreed to do. He’s not permitting, He meticulously decreed. You can’t have it both ways. That’s a square circle.
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Eric is another brother i appreciate. We disagree plenty, but in my interactions with him he tends to be fair in his treatment of reformed thought. We need more (on all sides) to do this.
@_DHDS @SnapThatGinger @Soteriology101 As far as I can tell there’s no inherent contradiction with affirming that (1) God predetermined the truth-value of all “active/passive counterfactual pairs” and (2) that God choosing to actualize the passive counterfactual can be properly called “permission.” Predeterminism has.
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We don't believe in BARE permission. Props to @_DHDS for representing us accurately. Much appreciated friend. Interactions with people like him are much preferred.
@_DHDS @Soteriology101 Yes. That's why I was showing that you are incorrect. The fact is though, Calvinists will do both, even though they logically can't. You can't say both that God is simply allowing sin and ALSO that God determines and decrees all things. Those two things aren't possible.
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Ignorancenof the OT is why atheists get away with using these bad arguments. People professing Christ undermine scripture and accuse God of evil. This pick and choose methodology is indefensible.
@Prov_Standards @scoobthethinker I am just believing what the gospel author of John wrote. When the OT says that God commanded the killing of infant babies and commanded keeping virgin girls as sex slaves, we know that is not correct - missing the grace and truth of Jesus.
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Is it getting mad to correct someone to what is readily understood? We understand the decree/ordaining of all things to include His permitting sin. Also, Leightons OP is foolish. Its misrepresentation ti omit things on purpose that are relevant just to make our view sound worse.
@Soteriology101 I said “decreed/ordained all evils” the other day and some got mad at me that I didn’t say “ordained to permit” even though their own confessions don’t bother with that nuance.
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Biblical ignorance at its finest. Trying to decouple the Gospel and NT from the OT and the Law devalues the whole.
When Paul is sharing the Jesus story with Gentiles, he has no need to share the OT. They were not Hebrew!.
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The prodigal son is honestly about the older brothers to a large degree and his legalism. Its one of my favorites and often misused to push or debunk things it wasn't meant to.
The Prodigal Son only debunks OSAS if you take one of the many plausible views as dogmatic.
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This is how you treat someone you disagree with's arguments fairly. You accurately represent them. Thanks @cmienke8.
@Soteriology101 Your summary of T is wrong. They’d say you have the faculties to seek God but not the will (which is a consequence of the fall God permitted). Your summary of U is wrong. The point of unconditional election is that there is nothing in the Christian pre-conversion that makes them.
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Hottester take: No. but mostly I just wanted to say "hottester" and jump on the bandwagon out of sheer boredom 😁.
Hottest take: Baptists should baptize their children.
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Them: why do you keep saying we misrepresent you?.Someone: posts historical reformed teachings.Them: why do you keep posting reformed teachers saying things that arent what I think calvinism is?!. Maybe the problem is you actually don't understand.
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RT @MikedAlamo: @LaymansSeminary @Pastor_ChrisH Preservation of the saints:. The elect, once called, redeemed, and united in Christ, by God….
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RT @TheProtestantP: “God did not only foreknow our actions, but the manner of our actions; that is, he did not only know that we would do s….
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Im with you when youre right 🤣.
Brought to you by the same folks who won’t shut up about chanting the Rosary.
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RT @ReformedCaio: @TheProtestantP @ProvisionistP @Prov_Standards @DustinSJenkins I don’t know how many times this has been explained. It se….
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We actually differentiate between OSAS and Perseverance. OSAS leans heavy on "at one time you believed so youre good.".Perseverance teaches that those truly in Christ will be held fast by Him and will persevere until the end in the faith.
@farmingandJesus @rockreborn22 @_DavidvGoliath @ProvisionistP You still agree with their doctrine if you feel this way. Only Calvinism preaches OSAS. But we can’t always be saved because the Bible warns of apostasy, and because many use OSAS as a license to sin. Mind you, apostasy isn’t “losing salvation”. It’s a very conscious choice to.
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Im a weird Calvinist. I don't really care about the debate over the scope of the atonement because I see the HU and LA sides being biblically viable. I land on "scripture says that you should come and if you do He died for your sins that you would be forgiven."
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Amen.
“Christ hath suffered the wrath of God in thy room, brought home salvation in gospel-offers to thy door: and then to be slighted! no patience but his own could bear it. Every sermon and prayer you have sat under with a dead heart; every motion of his Spirit which you have.
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The man refuses to deal rightly with categories. Its willful.
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