
Ernest Fischer, MD
@EAFischer
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#Hospitalist | APD | #POCUS | #CCeEXAM testamur | Proceduralist | Allan J. Goody Bedside Medicine Series | Medstar Georgetown University Hospital
Washington, DC
Joined June 2018
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Vascular #POCUS review - @EAFischer and team https://t.co/bgUfdLVNId Lower extremity DVT #anatomy ๐ #FOAMed #Nephpearls
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Bad math: 1) Know how a vertical dimension relates to the length up the neck at different angels a. 30 deg โก๏ธ3 cm b. 45 deg โก๏ธ2.1 cm c. 60 deg โก๏ธ1.7 cm
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2) Know how a ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐น ๐ฑ๐ถ๐บ๐ฒ๐ป๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ญ.๐ฑ ๐ฐ๐บ relates to the length up the neck at different angles a. 30 degโก๏ธ3 cm b. 45 degโก๏ธ1.5 cm c. 60 degโก๏ธ2.6 cm
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PS โ What ๐ถ๐ณ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐ฑ๐ผ๐ปโ๐ ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ผ๐๐ป๐ฑ ๐ฎ ๐ฟ๐๐น๐ฒ๐ฟ or straight edges? Credit to @ria_dancel for this? 1) Know your probeโs dimensions
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Why the gray area (uHJR 0.5 to 1)? (I think) Slight probe angulation can lead to a significant height difference e.g. For an IJV 2cm deep, โณ14 deg change in angle is a โณ0.5 cm difference!
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How one might use uHJR? Useful cutoffs : ๐๐๐๐ฅ โฅ ๐ญ.๐ฑ ๐ฐ๐บ- positive ๐๐ฅ ๐ฐ.๐ฏ ๐ต๐ฐ๐ธ๐ข๐ณ๐ฅ๐ด PCOP โฅ 15 mmHg ๐๐๐๐ฅ < ๐ฌ.๐ฑ ๐ฐ๐บ- negative ๐๐ฅ ๐ฌ.๐ฐ ๐ข๐จ๐ข๐ช๐ฏ๐ด๐ต PCOP โฅ 15 ๐๐ฆ๐ต๐ธ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ถ๐๐๐ ๐ฐ๐ง 0.5 ๐ต๐ฐ 1 ๐ธ๐ข๐ด ๐ข ๐จ๐ณ๐ข๐บ ๐ข๐ณ๐ฆ๐ข https://t.co/n4oLuutLx0
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We found (via logistic regression) that while uHJR did not improve on uJVP for predicting RAP (p=0.27) ๐๐๐๐ฅ ๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฑ ๐ถ๐บ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ผ๐๐ฒ ๐ผ๐ป ๐๐๐ฉ๐ฃ ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฐ๐๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ฃ๐๐ข๐ฃ (p<0.001) and uHJR was a stronger predictor of PCOP (uHJR adjusted OR 2.6 vs. uJVP OR 1.2)
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How well does POCUS for HJR perform (๐๐๐๐ฅ)? To answer this we had 2 students with basic POCUS training perform uHJR (and uJVD) on 99 patients immediately before RHC, results in @amjmed. https://t.co/dCqwiJpOt9
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2) How HJR is performed: https://t.co/iupXPwxU2h
4/ ๐๐๐ง How to โข Palpate anywhere mid-abdomen (RUQ not necessary, may be more painful) โข Use even pressure (20-35 mmHg) for โฅ10 s โข Avoid Valsalva / pain โ have pt breath calmly with mouth open โข ๐ฃ๐ผ๐๐ถ๐๐ถ๐๐ฒ โช sustained increase โฅ ๐ฐ ๐ฐ๐บ https://t.co/YOnfi8WS1D
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Before we get into HJR with POCUS, primers on 1) POCUS Neck anatomy: https://t.co/m1VhPldFUn
1/ 3D Models for introductory #POCUS of the neck This view is in the ๐ฃ๐ฅ๐ข๐๐๐๐จ๐ฅ๐๐ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐ป๐๐ฒ๐ป๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป with the probe marker to the ๐ผ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฎ๐๐ผ๐ฟโ๐ ๐น๐ฒ๐ณ๐, if standing at the head of the bed
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๐๐ - 2 ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐ฐ๐ฅ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฏ PE ๐ด๐ต๐ถ๐ฅ๐ช๐ฆ๐ด ๐ฅ๐ช๐ฅ๐ฏโ๐ต ๐ฎ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐ช๐ต ๐ช๐ฏ๐ต๐ฐ ๐๐ค๐๐ฆ๐ฆs ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ด๐ถ๐ญ๐ต๐ด ๐๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ข๐ฃ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ณ๐ฎ๐ข๐ญ ๐ค๐ถ๐ต๐ฐ๐ง๐ง ๐ง๐ฐ๐ณ ๐๐๐๐ ๐ช๐ฏ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ ๐ด๐ต๐ถ๐ฅ๐ช๐ฆ๐ด ๐ช๐ด ๐ฉ๐ช๐จ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ (>22 ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐๐) ๐ธ๐ช๐ต๐ฉ ๐ฎ๐ช๐น๐ฆ๐ฅ ๐ณ๐ฆ๐ด๐ถ๐ญ๐ต๐ด
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How well does HJR reflect left sided filling pressure? According to S. McGeeโs pooled results, HJR has the ๐ฏ๐ฒ๐๐ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐บ๐ฏ๐ถ๐ป๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ฝ๐ผ๐๐ถ๐๐ถ๐๐ฒ ๐๐ฅ, ๐ป๐ฒ๐ด๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐๐ฒ ๐๐ฅ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ผ๐ฑ๐๐ฐ๐ถ๐ฏ๐ถ๐น๐ถ๐๐. https://t.co/1FNneJQJj6
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Thatโs the history. Today it is well established that ๐๐๐ฅ ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ณ๐น๐ฒ๐ฐ๐๐ ๐น๐ฒ๐ณ๐ ๐๐ถ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ๐๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป (in patients with heart failure) https://t.co/MWJkcDgaSh
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It is not until 1957 (๐ต๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ ๐ค๐ฐ๐ถ๐ญ๐ฅ ๐ง๐ช๐ฏ๐ฅ) that HJR is described as โpresent with heart failure of all etiologiesโ. https://t.co/CMhEsaFXk6
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In 1925 Lian (professor) and Blondel (internโฆ wonder who did most of the work ๐ ) reported that ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐๐๐๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐๐น๐ฑ ๐ฏ๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ฝ๐น๐ถ๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐ฎ๐ป๐๐๐ต๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐ผ๐ป ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐ฏ๐ฑ๐ผ๐บ๐ฒ๐ป, not just the liver, to get the response
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Pasteur (not Louis) first described HJR as a sign of TR in 1885 Rondot in 1898 actually coined the phrase HJR and noted that it didnโt just reflect TR
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(HJR) History, utility and how well does it perform ๐๐ถ๐๐ต ๐๐น๐๐ฟ๐ฎ๐๐ผ๐๐ป๐ฑ a thread
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Principle of mass conservation: in the absence of valvular regurgitation/ intracardiac shunts, stroke volume is the same across each valve or orifice. #POCUS #echofirst #MedEd #Nephpearls
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