@ukarlewitz
Urban Carmel
2 years
Tomorrow the FOMC is expected to raise rates for the first time in the current cycle. You’d have to go back before even the geezers on FinTwit were born to find a case where equities peaked BEFORE the first hike. Shown here is just the last 40+ years
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@ukarlewitz
Urban Carmel
2 years
In the 1970s: Raised rate SPX Peak April ’72 Jan ‘73 May ’77. Dec ’80
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@ukarlewitz
Urban Carmel
2 years
If you’re wondering how stocks and bonds reacted after each hike during the last cycle
@ukarlewitz
Urban Carmel
3 years
Here’s what stocks and yields did during the 9 rate hikes in the most recent cycle. Pretty consistent
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@ukarlewitz
Urban Carmel
2 years
The 10-2 spread was this tight 2-1/2 yrs and 1-1/2 yrs before the end of the prior two bull markets, respectively. It was 20bp tighter when the FOMC last raised rates in 2018 and $SPX gained another +35% before Covid. So yeah, freak out
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@ukarlewitz
Urban Carmel
2 years
During the last rate hike cycle, we had China's hard landing, an ‘earnings recession’, the EU disintegration/Brexit and an idiotic trade war. You’ve forgotten all of this so it seems like risks are uniquely higher this time. This is recency bias
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@ukarlewitz
Urban Carmel
2 years
@ukarlewitz
Urban Carmel
2 years
With hindsight, inflation expectations amounted to not much during the last cycle. At the time, expectations were running high; that's why there was a tightening cycle
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@ukarlewitz
Urban Carmel
2 years
“3 steps and a stumble”: Can’t say anything especially noteworthy happened during the last cycle (circle)
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@TheShortBear
THE SHORT BEAR
2 years
@ukarlewitz An issue this time too will be causation. the QE end was a couple of days ago and with the FED tomorrow it could mistakenly be thought as the reason. Historically the markets reacted far more to a QE end induced liquidity retrieval.
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@XKihan
Xlan Kihan
2 years
@ukarlewitz Any data on the high inflation era , i.e. the 70s?
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@lcduer
Larry Duer
2 years
@ukarlewitz Geezers? I resemble that remark.
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@MDoptiontrader
Elite Trader
2 years
@ukarlewitz @UPBOptionMil Fair to ask, what are the long term implications?
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@ES_F_Leo
LeoTheTiger
2 years
@ukarlewitz Past performance is not indicative of future results 😉 Only kidding. Idgaf what happens.
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@FredWick7
Fred Wick
2 years
@ukarlewitz @CanteringClark Is my interpretation correct here? immediately following historical rate hikes, markets continued on an upward trajectory before correcting to down side ? Thanks
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@_cr3d_
shuffle王mode
2 years
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@FerGarcia90
Fernando G.
2 years
@ukarlewitz What does that means? More inflation? Less? Please explain
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@DodosRun
Dodos Run Semi Wild
2 years
@ukarlewitz How far back do we have to go back to find 8% inflation and 0% Fed Funds rate?
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@ScarlettJDN
Scarlett
2 years
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@bjj22222
Annie
2 years
@ukarlewitz Last taper tantrum basically reversed the carry trade by EM debt scurrying for $ to repay dollar denominated debt. Swiss had too much upward pressure on franc that they created a SWF to invest in — well, US stocks. I’d be curious to see that timing overlay here
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@Rock228VIX
Investor Dad Libertan
2 years
@ukarlewitz When did they hike this late in business cycle? (Never) When did they hike with inflation this high? 1970s. Why did stocks crash in late 2018 but not earlier when Fed hiked? Bc in Dec 18 they hikes into a slowdown. That's the difference. Hike into slowdown = down markets.
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@jefffocker
Jeff Smith
2 years
@ukarlewitz Yeah but were they behind the curve always ?
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@kSeo17
Anecdote~Great Lakes
2 years
@ukarlewitz What about when they started to reverse rate hike or pose it? What happened?
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