@CFDevelop @lmcdo_ @noseratio @ON4LPF Yeh but this is what users have been asking for 🤷‍♂️

@thenickrandolph @lmcdo_ @noseratio @ON4LPF No it's not You're confusing business clients with normal Microsoft Store users. They are totally different Business clients want you to bypass permissions because it makes things easy for them The average user wants to be protected by a permissions system like iOS and Android

@CFDevelop @lmcdo_ @noseratio @ON4LPF And yet users will forever go to untrusted websites, click on spam and wonder why their machine is bust..... Win10X would have solved this but introduced so many limitations that MS would get completely trashed

@thenickrandolph @lmcdo_ @noseratio @ON4LPF It's 2021. I can't even believe that there is a debate over whether or not apps should be locked down as tightly as possible when they're available to the general public. Privacy 101 dictates that users turn off all permissions that are not essential

@CFDevelop @lmcdo_ @noseratio @ON4LPF There's a distinction between what "should" be the norm and breaking the entire ecosystem of apps - this is just one of the problems faced by UWP. No one wants to rebuild their apps, so we're stuck with the long tail when it comes to security - again, the issue with Win10X

@thenickrandolph @CFDevelop @noseratio @ON4LPF I disagree with this, people are fine with rebuilding their apps, but only on a time frame that makes sense (need to change backend or something else to the point of a rewrite also). Which is why MS impatiently burning through frameworks is so frustrating.

@lmcdo_ @CFDevelop @noseratio @ON4LPF No, this isn't the case. For a major UI overhaul it might be acceptable but it's nearly never ok to rebuild the app. Sometime it does become required, but this is mostly because the original tech was wrong or no longer maintained, or because of some other set of bad decisions.

@thenickrandolph @CFDevelop @noseratio @ON4LPF LOB apps are still not what I'm talking about lol

@lmcdo_ @CFDevelop @noseratio @ON4LPF Neither am I (necessarily) - as a developer, why would I want to rebuild my application for no good reason (other than technology limitations as per previous comment)?

@thenickrandolph @CFDevelop @noseratio @ON4LPF As a developer without a reputation built up already, an untrustworthy app due to full trust permissions is a limitation. The very issue you linked earlier from @sy1ve0n has comments about how their reputation was slandered on TikTok.

@sy1ve0n @lmcdo_ @CFDevelop @noseratio @ON4LPF So the question is - what do you want from MS to fix this? A better security model? More apis available from in the container? I get the issue, and tbh I wouldn't choose to build an app that requires to be full trust and publish in store but I get that there are so many limits

@thenickrandolph @sy1ve0n @lmcdo_ @noseratio @ON4LPF Just give us the same permissions system that UWP already has.