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1/ The Internet Computer may replace Chainlink as the premier provider of secure oracles to the blockchain space (and possibly the world).
That's right, by the end of Q1 2022 the IC will be capable of hosting extremely simple, efficient, secure oracles:
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Chainlink people.
ICP is capable of hosting oracles built directly into its equivalent of smart contracts, known as canisters.
This is achieved through a general-purpose http request capability where all nodes in a subnet come to consensus on the requests.
See the advantage?
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Just in:
@dfinity
plans to increase the amount of storage available to individual canisters (~dapps/smart contracts) from 96 GiB to 400 GiB soon, with more storage coming sometime after that.
More info in the forums:
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1/ ICP now has the ability to bridge BTC and ETH.
The bridging tech is unique, with interesting security properties.
For those interested in the major technical details, I highly recommend searching the DFINITY forums for the most in-depth discussions:
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1/ Please take time to digest this and understand the nuances of what I'm about to explain
It's too complicated to explore every possible implication and possible future here
But here we go...
ICP has a number of crucial weaknesses
We need to pay attention to
@aoTheComputer
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1/
#supplygate
I can say beyond reasonable doubt, that the total amount of ETH issued up to and including block 9193265 (the last block in 2019) is 109,094,014.21823.
Three independent scripts attest to this number:
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I don't think the world understands this about ICP.
ICP is a giga-level general-purpose decentralized cloud platform...giga-level!
Each app/canister/contract gets:
Gigabytes of heap
Gigabytes of storage
Gigahertz of CPU
Orders of magnitude difference from the status quo no?
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1/ Look, the Internet Computer faces a host of technical, social, and other challenges.
With that being said, I am very impressed by what DFINITY has shipped for the protocol in 2022!
The IC is materially improving and will continue to do so in 2023.
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It's done, the first functioning token for the Internet Computer written in TypeScript/JavaScript.
I call it JSONIC.
Here's a faucet (works with Stoic Wallet and canister id nmgdh-xqaaa-aaaae-qaauq-cai):
Here's the canister code:
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The awesome thing is that we don't need to wait for an official Ethereum integration on the IC.
A partial integration that allows for signing, sending, and reading txs will be possible with:
1. tECDSA
2. HTTP requests (POST)
Even just tECDSA will be enough for some use cases!
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There is $34,142,137 worth of BTC on Ethereum.
The recent launch of TBTC has inspired me to create a dashboard to track Bitcoin's progress on Ethereum:
So far it's tracking WBTC, HBTC, imBTC, sBTC, pBTC, renBTC, and TBTC.
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1/ Welcome to video and audio streaming on ICP, using range requests.
Live demo running on ICP mainnet:
Those video and audio files are stored in an Azle (TypeScript/JavaScript) canister running on ICP.
It uses range requests for simple streaming.
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@Chadwick_Moore
@giacomozucco
I don't think most of the comments I've read in this thread are right. We should seek to defend ourselves, not seek revenge. Self-defense would allow harming the woman until you know you and your family are safe. Anything beyond that is wrong
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@ChainLinkGod
Hey, I'm the developer of both of those websites, and you should know that integrating the Chainlink feeds was incredibly simple and an amazing experience!
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Express.js, Node.js fs, async/await...it's all working so far.
TypeScript and JavaScript on ICP.
We're really turning canisters into decentralized servers.
Express.js is working quite well so far in Azle...can't wait to get Azle 0.20.0 out to you.
This is Express.js working from within a replicated Wasm environment on ICP.
It will make building REST or other web server applications in a web3 context much easier for devs.
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1/ I see a lot of people complaining about Ethereum fees.
You should consider that Ethereum will most likely be scaling by ~100x this year with just one scaling technology: optimistic rollups.
Sharding will hopefully get us to ~1000x to ~10000x in the next few years.
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Any Ethereum maximalists out there?
Distrikt is a live social media app running entirely on the Internet Computer. The frontend, backend, the whole thing. You need to take a look.
Reconsider what blockchain can do.
Please join, and give me a follow ;)
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In my discussions with ICP developers, it's becoming very clear what they want.
There's more than one thing of course, but if I could boil it down to the absolute most important and pressing thing:
Developers want a database!
Demergent Labs will bring SQL to Azle this year
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The Ethereum flippening has occurred...on ICP.
108.7539 ckBTC
112.4004 ckETH
Taken from the dashboard:
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I now feel more than ever that there is a constant, steady, growing foundation of apps and infra forming a solid base for an explosion of activity on the Internet Computer.
Progress has seemed somewhat slow, but in hindsight I think this will appear to have happened all at once.
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As much as we talk about the BTC/Ethereum integrations on the IC, don't forget that the Web 2 integration is also coming: outgoing http requests
The initial version of the feature should be live this month.
The age of IC oracles is about to commence.
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Here's a more formal introduction to Demergent Labs if you're interested.
TypeScript, GraphQL, and Python are coming to the Internet Computer in full force!
🆕:
@lastmjs
introduces Demergent Labs, a new company that wants to make it simple for developers to write dapps that run on the
#InternetComputer
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Python canisters are coming to the IC.
We've started working in parallel on Kybra now. Azle is being refactored and made beautiful in Rust.
By the end of all of this we will have TypeScript, Python, and a CDK framework for adding more high level languages to the IC.
We've started work on Kybra, a Python CDK for the Internet Computer.
Similar to Azle, Kybra will allow you to write canisters in a higher level language (Python in particular).
Things are very experimental right now, but if all goes well expect an alpha in the next few weeks.
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I've been building an oracle to Chainlink contracts on the IC.
3 asset pairs (ETH/USD, BTC/USD, ICP/USD) pulling from two chains (Ethereum and BSC) through JSON RPC endpoints.
Local n of m consensus on the answers. Built in TypeScript with Azle, running locally like clockwork.
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ICP is about to standardize NFTs through the NNS process.
Two standards are being proposed and will soon go to NNS vote: ICRC-7 and ICRC-37.
Please take some time to review the standard and give any final suggestions or comments:
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Demergent Labs will be starting work next week to bring first-class BTC, tECDSA, and HTTP support to canisters written in TypeScript with Azle.
Azle aside, we're getting close to this powerful triple-combination going live for all canisters on the IC.
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For the foreseeable future, I'm going to be moving most of my Internet Computer content from Twitter to Distrikt.
If you follow me for the IC, you might want to jump over here:
My tweets will probably be geared towards more existential crypto/tech issues
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1/ Demergent Labs just recently returned from spending a week in Switzerland at DFINITY headquarters.
I wanted to give a huge thank you to all of the team members who welcomed us and listened intently to all of our feedback.
A few technical highlights:
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Just an update. I've been pretty heads-down with Sudograph the last little bit. Building in robust automated testing.
I am extremely optimistic about the Internet Computer. I build with it nearly every day. Just relax and build or watch.
I feel calm about the IC's future.
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Hey everyone, we're getting close to $1 billion of tokenized BTC on Ethereum, and nearing 100,000 tokenized BTC.
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Very tight Bitcoin and Ethereum integrations are coming to the Internet Computer.
These integrations may make it so that the best, most secure, most user-friendly Bitcoin and Ethereum wallets ever created are implemented with the Internet Computer.
Imagine.
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I've been blown away by how smoothly the Ethereum Merge has gone.
It's a testament to the absolute rigor of their testing processes.
I see similar rigor from DFINITY, and we should all be grateful for that.
The Merge gives the IC stabler ground for direct Ethereum integration.
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InternetDAO
Raising $100 trillion to buy the internet.
Stretch goal of $101 trillion to buy Internet Explorer and Bing and delete them.
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1/ Some new personal lines of thinking kicked off by
@harris0nhines
.
We should seriously consider that DFINITY should stop building the SNS, Internet Identity, People Parties, and anything else that DFINITY isn't uniquely positioned to build.
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DFINITY just announced an extremely exciting research collaboration to enable arbitrary computation on encrypted data.
If successful this would allow truly private computing, solving fundamental blockchain/IT issues.
See the presentation for more info:
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Update on Azle.js, a JavaScript/TypeScript CDK for the Internet Computer.
After toying around with getting a JS engine to compile and deploy to a local IC replica, I've finally got a basic version working.
I've successfully executed JS from within a local canister.
Expect more
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I'm currently uploading Ethereum block headers to the Internet Computer.
The canister is processing about 100 GraphQL mutations per second, I could probably push it much higher.
The first 74,000 Ethereum block headers uploaded so far, going for 1,000,000 in a single canister!
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1/ Demergent Labs made a decision yesterday.
We're deprioritizing the ICP-specific Candid language and the query/update RPC paradigm.
We're embracing JSON, HTTP, and REST.
It's time to remove even more barriers to developing on ICP, just give devs a decentralized server.
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My job is amazing!
I work full-time in the nitty-gritty details to bring TypeScript/JavaScript, Python, dbs, and other dev tooling to ICP, and it's amazing to work on a novel decentralized computer.
I don't know what's going to happen with ICP, but it's an engineers playground!
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Let's resolve these crucial ICP weaknesses.
I've opened a thread in the developer forum to specifically address these limitations and to call for prioritizing them.
Especially if you're a dev and agree, add your voice to the discussion here:
1/ Please take time to digest this and understand the nuances of what I'm about to explain
It's too complicated to explore every possible implication and possible future here
But here we go...
ICP has a number of crucial weaknesses
We need to pay attention to
@aoTheComputer
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Yeah so, umm...I just got ApolloServer GraphQL to boot up in Azle and ran a quick query against it...
IT WORKED!
ICP decentralized servers coming your way.
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1/ It's become clear to me that the IC's most likely path to adoption in the short-med term is to support other successful networks, providing solutions where they lack.
I will be much more focused on making Bitcoin and Ethereum better with ICP moving forward.
Join me.
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I'm
@ETH_Toronto
Having lots of discussions with devs and others interested about technicals/capabilities of ICP.
Not going to name names yet, but let's just say I know of a couple teams building on Ethereum that are seriously considering building critical components on ICP.
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Prediction:
20 years from now, the Big Tech giants (FAANG, Microsoft, etc) will all have been removed and replaced by open, decentralized, and tokenized protocols.
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If I'm not mistaken, in "simple English for non-tech people":
tSchnorr and tEdDSA will allow for ICP canisters to sign Schnorr Bitcoin and Solana txs, amongst other Blockchain txs and use cases.
ICP will open up threshold signing for even more chains:
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My mind craves genuine deep technical criticism of ICP from the top minds of the blockchain space.
We've lacked this kind of interaction for so long; mostly ICP has just been dismissed.
I'm hoping that increased attention from recent $ICP events will attract this deep critique.
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Well, I just pulled data from Ethereum from a locally running canister built in TypeScript. The Ethereum integrations are just beginning.
dfx canister call ethereum_json_rpc eth_blockNumber returned me: ("{\"jsonrpc\":\"2.0\",\"id\":83,\"result\":\"0xe8efcd\"}")
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1/ ETH Denver day 1 (for me) recap.
Wearing my DFINITY sweatshirt is a great conversation starter, various people instantly recognized the logo and either said "oh DFINITY" or "oh ICP".
I've been surprised at the positive perception of ICP and people's curiosity towards it.
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Claims of ICP being centralized seem rather widespread.
People seem to say either it's centralized or it's not.
In reality various components of the system are at different points on the centralization spectrum.
Will no one deep dive and analyze each component?
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1/ My 2024 wishlist for ICP.
This comes from personal experience working full-time in the ecosystem as head of
@demergentlabs
and conversations with
@BobBodily
@dansteren
@b_demann
and input from others in the community.
If you have a weak constitution, please leave the arena.
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Orthogonal persistence now works!
Basic query and update calls work in a TypeScript/JavaScript environment.
I've created (
@BobBodily
was there) a simple token in TypeScript, and deployed it to the IC!
Here's the TypeScript code:
I'm writing TypeScript and deploying it to a local IC replica!
Query functions currently work very well.
Update functions and orthogonal persistence coming up next.
This is working incredibly well, still waiting for some crazy issue that stops this thing, none yet!
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DFINITY has officially set a launch date for the genesis of the beta main network of the Internet Computer.
May 7, 2021 at 10 AM Pacific Time.
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Demergent Labs is now a team of 3.
Please welcome
@dansteren
and
@b_demann
to the team!
They'll be helping bring Azle (TypeScript CDK), Sudograph (GraphQL database), and Kybra (Python CDK) to the Internet Computer.
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1/ I would like to voice this concern again.
I believe DFINITY is misguided in directing so many resources towards application-level projects like the SNS and ckBTC.
I think it would be much more beneficial to double-down on creating a credibly-neutral platform that can scale.
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Do we agree that if Bitcoin's 21 million cap is removed, then it would be worthless?
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1/ Bitcoin devs...
Imagine a cloud platform that let's you build apps in a familiar server programming environment, but without taking direct custody of your user's private keys.
This is ICP. Using threshold ECDSA, you can programmatically control private secret shared keys.
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$0.001
That's the current charged price for an ICP oracle to fetch the latest answer for a price feed with at least 2/3 consensus of 28 nodes (check me).
ICP canisters are capable of a variety of general-purpose oracle solutions on top of general-purpose compute subnets.
Chainlink people.
ICP is capable of hosting oracles built directly into its equivalent of smart contracts, known as canisters.
This is achieved through a general-purpose http request capability where all nodes in a subnet come to consensus on the requests.
See the advantage?
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Exciting things to look forward to on the IC:
Announced by the team:
1. DNS integration
2. HTTPS/SSL integration
3. Public subnets
4. Bitcoin and Ethereum integration
5. Encrypted canisters
My hopes:
5. Infinite virtual memory
6. Node shuffling
7. Public bug bounties
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Partly in preparation for the BTC integration, this past week at Demergent Labs we revisited, studied, and discussed the Bitcoin Whitepaper.
We'll be ready to integrate this into Azle soon after the BTC integration launch so that you can program BTC with TypeScript.
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HOLY SMOKES the Apollo Sandbox worked right out of the gate!
I loaded
http://asrmz-lmaaa-aaaaa-qaaeq-cai.localhost:8000/
in the browser and a beautiful GraphQL playground loaded right up.
Azle 0.20.0 is really going to be 🔥🔥🔥
Yeah so, umm...I just got ApolloServer GraphQL to boot up in Azle and ran a quick query against it...
IT WORKED!
ICP decentralized servers coming your way.
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The first 1,000,000 Ethereum block headers were successfully uploaded to the Ethereum archival canister prototype running on the Internet Computer
I'm now uploading the transactions for each of those blocks, I think there's a good chance they'll all fit in one canister.UI coming
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8 Improvements to the IC that would make it an even more powerful machine!
1. Multiple independent audits
2. Bug bounties
3. Formal verification
4. Random node shuffling
5. Encrypted canisters
6. Social recovery of identities
7. DNS integration
8. HTTPS/SSL integration
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1/
@BobBodily
@ryrubenhorne
and I have an idea on the heels of
@ConstitutionDAO
Imagine a Bitcoin-powered DAO on the Internet Computer, its purpose to raise BTC to buy green power plants and convert them into Bitcoin mines
Reach out if you're interested in making this a reality
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memory64 was just implemented in wasmtime, the Wasm runtime used by the IC.
This was one of the main blockers to greatly increasing the canister size limit (currently at ~4gb).
I wouldn't be surprised to see the canister limit lifted soon.
Possibly terabytes per canister!
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1/ I'm becoming more and more convinced that zkWasm will be fundamental to solving the Internet Computer's greatest protocol-level weaknesses.
I have a new rough design for subnets based around a zero knowledge Wasm VM that I believe solves for the subnet size/cost dilemma.
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1/ In early 2023
@BobBodily
and I made wishlists for the Internet Computer Protocol (ICP).
I would like to provide an update on what actually happened during 2023.
A lot of gratitude to
@dfinity
for shipping!
1/ And here's my addition to
@BobBodily
's list.
My 2023 wishlist for the Internet Computer.
I'll label each item with my perceived probability that it ships in 2023 (hi, med, or low probability).
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1/ It's ready, the GovernanceBot has been deployed to the IC and is pushing proposal updates to OpenChat.
If you want to be notified whenever NNS proposals are created, just join one of the following OpenChat groups:
NNS Governance Proposals:
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Azle Beta has dropped:
It has support for most Candid data types, Query, Update, Init, PreUpgrade, PostUpgrade, and Heartbeat methods, cross-canister calls, stable storage, and other IC APIs.
Remember that it's just a beta and have a go at it!
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Let's blow this up with clear, authentic, technical responses.
ICP does make some major trade-offs relative to other blockchains.
Probably the most important question then is: Do the trade-offs result in a still sufficiently secure and decentralized system?
Let's discuss
1/9) Dfinity sacrifices decentralization for scalability
Despite their lofty & outlandish claims, ICP is highly centralized & insecure
You can attack & censor ICP subnets by only attacking a handful of known nodes in data centers
The problem lies with ICPs consensus algorithm:
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Imagine an SNS but for Ethereum.
We implement an Ethereum client on the Internet Computer, tokenize it with the SNS, but the token is just ETH
All ETH holders instantly become participants of the Ethereum client DAO/SNS
The most transparent and community-owned Ethereum client!
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Let's be real ICP community, beyond hopium.
Tell me why the world is going to choose to use ICP once we have a direct Ethereum integration, when there are many other Ethereum-compatible sidechains and rollups that already have adoption.
This we must know, this we must solve.
Once $icp finally has $eth integration it’s game over for a lot of the competition
Hard to see how anyone else can step it up enough tech wise except perhaps $xrd
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Demergent Labs wants to mentor you and connect you with investors, builders, and technical knowledge.
You must be building w/ ICP and focusing on decentralizing blockchain infrastructure and otherwise utilizing ICP's unique value prop.
DM or schedule a call (see my profile).
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DFINITY Foundation and community, before real value is stored on the IC, don't you think it would be a great to have multiple independent audits published w/ large bug bounties?
We should have many independent parties testing the security of the system now, before it's too late!
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DFINITY just released a beta version of unbounded stable structures, meaning you don't have to define max key/value sizes when reading/writing directly to stable memory.
This is an amazing improvement to developer experience, working on Azle integration.
Kybra later on.
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About to head home from Honduras for
@ethlatam
with my friends from
@lazonatres
.
We tried to really pound the pavement early, teaching, mentoring, or discussing ICP with nearly all of the 12 teams that presented.
My ICP pitch is quite simple for Ethereum devs nowadays:…
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The NNS is too centralized right now. Even if DFINITY/ICA have 40%, everyone follows them.
Proposal: Incentivize neurons to gain followers. The more followers, the higher the reward.
Perhaps would lead to many specialized representatives, supported by their followers
Thoughts?
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The basic test is in...sql.js works my friends, sql.js is working...should you cry at work?
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1/ ETH Denver day 2 recap: ZK Day
This was an impressive event. Tons of people, great food, great ZK.
zkWasm got a mention on the main stage.
I found more teams doing ZK compliance/identity.
Found more ICP supporters I didn't know about.
Some have concerns about DFINITY/ICP.
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Demergent Labs is beginning a new live-streamed experience:
Full Stack Web3 Course
The first lesson will stream out today, the plan is to do this weekly:
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1/ I've finally finished my
#supplygate
script.
Focusing on issuance, I've diligently compared my implementation with the Ethereum Yellow Paper and major clients. I've also gathered as many other supply scripts as I know of. It is very well-documented.
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The wider world of Ethereum supporters is starting to take notice of the Internet Computer.
Many will be skeptical at first (I still am to some degree), but the technology and applications built will speak for themselves and be undeniable.
It's best not to ignore what's coming.
No one calls Dfinity the Internet Computer except Dfinity
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Thank you DFINITY.
We have the chain key paper, we have the consensus paper, and we have a ton of source code.
We also have at least one live app running.
Anyone who wants to evaluate the IC is better equipped than ever.
I've had many thoughts about the IC, will share them
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1/ Remember that Ethereum Archival Canister? The demo is ready for you to use:
It's a live mirror of recent Ethereum blocks.
Consider this query to start:
query {
readBlock(limit: 10, order: {
number: DESC
}) {
number
timestamp
}
}
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1/ We're bringing Express.js to ICP.
@demergentlabs
our general philosophy is to allow developers to use the languages, libraries, and frameworks that they are already using outside of Web3.
The amount of friction caused by domain-specific new tools seems underestimated.
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Here's the idea, possibly my next major project:
Basically build Node.js/Deno.js for the Internet Computer, fulfilling Atwood's Law and opening the flood gates for web 2 developers to poor into the IC.
Take the SpiderMonkey JS engine, compile to Wasm, build in IC-specific APIs.
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1/ Decentralizing existing blockchain infrastructure with ICP.
Remember, ICP let's you build decentralized cloud apps using a centralized-feeling programming model (simple, server-like).
Could we build a decentralized Bitcoin mining pool on ICP?
@lokamining
is working on this
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Introducing Demergence, my personal podcast focusing on the Internet Computer and my thoughts on blockchain and tech in general.
The rss feed, website, and audio files are all stored on the Internet Computer. Listen live directly from the IC!
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1/ And here's my addition to
@BobBodily
's list.
My 2023 wishlist for the Internet Computer.
I'll label each item with my perceived probability that it ships in 2023 (hi, med, or low probability).
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1/ General purpose private computation.
This is one of the most sought-after and elusive treasures in the world of software.
No one has found it yet.
ICP is trying:
1. General-purpose TEEs
2. Verifiably Encrypted Threshold Key Derivation
3. Fully Homomorphic Encryption
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1/ Here goes my response.
1. I hope that
@Justin_Bons
is wrong about the shady start of ICP, but I don't know what to believe there
2. DFINITY and the community should really internalize his critiques of marketing claims
3. I think he's right and wrong on technical points
1/28) Dfinity claims to have solved all major problems with blockchains
Including the scaling trilemma, interoperability & the oracle problem
These claims are false & misleading!
ICP is scarred by insider trading, price manipulation & had a skewed supply that dumped on retail:
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Chain Key Bitcoin (ckBTC)
Chain Key Ether (ckETH)
Chain Key Assets are secured by a chain key pair and canister smart contract.
The chain key pair simultaneously functions on the IC and the blockchain of the chain key asset, providing a seamless integration.
Good description?
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I'm not sure you all understand how much fun I'm having.
Working tons to fix bugs and get Azle 0.20.0 out in the next couple days.
Hoping to have basic working versions of:
Express, http, crypto, fs, various other APIs, GraphQL, ApolloServer, SQLite, Loki (NoSQL)
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A huge shout-out to
@dfinity
for shipping another major feature from my 2023 wishlist!
Composite queries are now live.
Essentially this is an initial version of allowing canisters to query other canisters, with much lower latency than update calls.
Opens many new use-cases!
14/
Composite queries - hi
This is a stop-gap on the way to full cross-canister queries. Unfortunately cross-canister queries are a ways out, but composite queries give us some of the benefits now.
Basically, canisters will be able to call other canisters with very low latency
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Hey DFINITY fans, in support of the imminent launch of the Internet Computer, consider using the ∞ symbol in your handle.
∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞🚀
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By the way, I'm building an Ethereum archival node prototype on the Internet Computer using Sudograph.
This may not only become the foundation of Ethereum archival capabilities on the Internet Computer, but may also forge a path toward implementing The Graph indexers on the IC
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I'm thinking of starting my crypto/blockchain/tech focused podcast soon.
It will be entirely hosted on DFINITY'S Internet Computer.
The RSS feed file, the audio files, the website, EVERYTHING!!!
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ICP 2024 wishlist call for complaints.
I'm in the process of reviewing what ICP is missing around the protocol level to allow for as many use cases as possible.
For any builders out there, what do you need from ICP to succeed? What's missing at or around the protocol layer?
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