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Messi in 18/19 La Liga+UCL:
44 Games (39.4 90s)
48 Goals (1.22 p90)
43 Goals-PK (1.09 p90)
16 Assists (0.41 p90)
1.45 G+A per game (1.63 p90)
15x 2+ Goals (34.1%)
19.8 Expected Assisted Goals (0.50 p90)
43 Big Chances Created (1.09 p90)
4.29 Succ. Dribbles p90
24 MOTMs (54.5%)
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Messi at PSG vs Ronaldo at Juve after First 65 Games :-
Goals: 🇦🇷 29 🇵🇹 43
Assists: 🇦🇷 31 🇵🇹 12
G+A: 🇦🇷 60 🇵🇹 55
G+A - PK: 🇦🇷 58 🇵🇹 45
Key passes: 🇦🇷 168 🇵🇹 97
BCC: 🇦🇷 47 🇵🇹 19
Dribbles: 🇦🇷 190 🇵🇹 116
MOTMs: 🇦🇷 22 🇵🇹 19
Avg. Rating: 🇦🇷 7.99 🇵🇹 7.62
Guess who's considered a flop
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@timesofball
Most G+A - Messi
Most Chances Created - Messi
Golden Boot - Messi
IFFHS Best Playmaker - Messi
UCL Top Scorer - Messi
Real UCL MVP - Messi
League Top Scorer & MVP - Messi
Most Clutch Goals & Assists - Messi
Most G+A in KOs - Messi
Most MOTMs - Messi
Most Indv. Awards - Messi
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@timesofball
This is soo fake, Messi didn't even face Eibar in 2012, nor did Ronaldo score 4-5 goals liverpool or Bayern in 2013
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Only 2 players have finished as both Top Scorer and Top Assister of a decade :-
Pelé 1960s 🇧🇷
L. Messi 2010s 🇦🇷
GOATs 🐐🐐
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🇳🇱Netherlands scored 4 Penalties in 1978 WC, wasn't rigged
🇵🇹Portugal scored 4 Penalties in 1966 WC, wasn't rigged
🇫🇷France scored 4 penalties in 2018 WC, wasn't rigged
🇦🇷Argentina scored 4 Penalties in 2022 WC, it's rigged
Why ? What's the difference ?
Cause it's Messi 🤷🏻
🇳🇱Netherlands scored 4 Penalties in 1978 WC but couldn't win.
🇵🇹Portugal scored 4 Penalties in 1966 WC but couldn't win.
🇦🇷Argentina scored 4 Penalties in 2022 WC & won the title.
Why?What was the difference between them & Argentina?
The answer of question is: LEO MESSI🐐
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Top 50 Greatest Players ever:
(1/5)
1. Pelé 🇧🇷
2. Lionel Messi 🇦🇷
3. Ferenc Puskàs 🇭🇺
4. Johan Cryuff 🇳🇱
5. Alfredo Di Stefàno 🇦🇷
6. Gryörgy Sarosi 🇭🇺*
7. Franz Beckenbauer 🇩🇪
8. Diego Maradona 🇦🇷
9. Sándor Kocsis 🇭🇺
10. Gerd Müller 🇩🇪
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2023 Ballon d'Or Top 5, if we're being fair -
🥇 Lionel Messi 🇦🇷
🥈 Kylian Mbappe 🇫🇷
🥉 Erling Haaland 🇳🇴
4. Kevin De Bruyne 🇧🇪
5. Antonio Greizmann 🇫🇷
I know I said I won't talk about the Ballon d'Or till the season ends, but it's almost over, so yeah, here's the unbiased Top 5
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@MUT3productions
Ligue 1 > Serie A defensively, it's not the 90s anymore. Serie A is also offense dominated nowadays.
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Goals vs Big Chances Missed by top scorers since 16/17 (T5 Leagues only):
🇺🇾 Suàrez - 123 G/111 BCM
🇵🇹 Cristiano - 151 G/112 BCM
🇫🇷 Mbappe - 163 G/133 BCM
🇵🇱 Lewandowski - 214 G/189 BCM
🇦🇷 Messi - 184 G/86 BCM (Only player with more than 2x as many Gls as BCM)
Clinical 🇦🇷👌
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Messi 22/23 - 3.39 Succ. Dribbles p90
Vinicius 22/23 - 3.18 Succ. Dribbles p90
Cristiano 06/07 - 3.17 Succ. Dribbles p90
35 y/o Messi is a better dribbler than Vinicius and Cristiano in their dribbling prime 💀
Don't show fake stats to counter this, won't fool us 😏
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🇦🇷 Messi 🆚 🇧🇪 KDB playmaking stats
in 22/23 (league+ucl+wc) -
Assists: 🇦🇷 23 🇧🇪 22
xAssists: 🇦🇷 19.5 🇧🇪 17.7
Key Passes: 🇦🇷 129 🇧🇪 127
Big Chances Created: 🇦🇷 39 🇧🇪 38
Shot Creating Actions: 🇦🇷 274 🇧🇪 227
Goal Creating Actions: 🇦🇷 46 🇧🇪 38
xThreat (league only): 🇦🇷 9.32 🇧🇪 6.45
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Pelé 70 WC 🇧🇷 🆚 Messi 22 WC 🇦🇷
Goals: 🇧🇷 4 🇦🇷 7
Assists: 🇧🇷 6 🇦🇷 3
G+A: 🇧🇷 10 🇦🇷 10
G+A - PK: 🇧🇷 10 🇦🇷 6
Key Passes: 🇧🇷 28 🇦🇷 21
BCC: 🇧🇷 4 🇦🇷 7
Decisive G+A: 🇧🇷 4 🇦🇷 5
Team G+A %: 🇧🇷 53% 🇦🇷 67%
Result: 🇧🇷 🥇 🇦🇷 🥇
POTT: 🇧🇷 ✅ 🇦🇷 ✅
G+A in KOs - 🇧🇷 5 🇦🇷 7
G+A in Final - 🇧🇷 3 🇦🇷 2
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My Finalized Ballon d'Or Top 5:
🥇 Lionel Messi 🇦🇷
🥈 Kylian Mbappe 🇫🇷
🥉 Erling Haaland 🇳🇴
🥉 Kevin De Bruyne 🇧🇪
5. Antonio Greizmann 🇫🇷
6-8. Vinicius, Neymar, Bruno 🇧🇷 🇵🇹
9. Victor Osihem 🇳🇬
10. Kvicha Kvaratskhelia 🇬🇪
See Explanation..
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@TimelineCR7
These guys troll Messi for scoring pens in the WC, though he did much more. But hype Ronaldo's 2021 Euros which consisted of 3 Pens & 2 Tapins and nothing else.
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Why Neymar is BY FAR the 3rd best player of our generation, closer to Messi/Ronaldo than others. But is being OVERHATED.
[THREAD]
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Messi 🇦🇷 vs Mbappe 🇫🇷 vs Haaland 🇳🇴 vs KDB 🇧🇪 this season:
Goalscoring: 🇳🇴 > 🇫🇷 > 🇦🇷 > 🇧🇪
Playmaking: 🇦🇷 = 🇧🇪 > 🇫🇷 > 🇳🇴
Defense: 🇧🇪 > 🇦🇷 > 🇳🇴 > 🇫🇷
Club: 🇳🇴 > 🇧🇪 > 🇦🇷 = 🇫🇷
Intl: 🇦🇷 > 🇫🇷 > 🇧🇪 > 🇳🇴
Big Games: 🇦🇷 > 🇫🇷 > 🇧🇪 > 🇳🇴
Overall: 🇦🇷 > 🇫🇷 > 🇧🇪 >/= 🇳🇴
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25+ Goals & 25+ BCC in a single season (Top 5 Leagues only):
🇦🇷 Messi 11/12
🇦🇷 Messi 14/15 (30+ each)
🇦🇷 Messi 15/16
🇦🇷 Messi 16/17
🇦🇷 Messi 17/18 (30+ each)
🇦🇷 Messi 18/19 (30+ each)
🇦🇷 Messi 19/20
Noone else has done it even once 💀
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Messi fastest shot - 144 Kmph 🚀
Ronaldo's fastest Shot - 129 Kmph
"Messi can't shoot as hard as Cr7" 🤡
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If Messi wins the MLS with Inter Miami (who are at the bottom of the league), it'll be bigger than anything Ronaldo has achieved since 36, and if he follows that up by winning Copa with yet another incredible campaign, it'll be greater at an individual level asw.
Reasoning 👇
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Most NPG+BCC in 2022 WC:
🇦🇷 L. Messi - 10 (3+7)
🇫🇷 K. Mbappe - 8 (6+2)
🇫🇷 A. Greizmann - 7 (0+7)
🇵🇹 B. Fernandes - 6 (1+5)
🏴 H. Kane - 5 (1+4)
Best offensive players in terms of output 💫
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Top 5 UCL winning campaigns:
1. Puskàs 59/60 🇭🇺
2. Messi 10/11 🇦🇷
3. Messi 14/15 🇦🇷
4. Di Stefàno 57/58 🇦🇷
5. Cristiano 16/17 🇵🇹
Top 5 non-winning UCL campaigns:
1. Messi 18/19 🇦🇷
2. Puskàs 61/62 🇭🇺
3. Messi 11/12 🇦🇷
4. Messi 16/17 🇦🇷
5. Salah 17/18 🇪🇬
HMs: 21/22 Benz, 14/15 CR
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@amitttrmfc
Messi 22 WC without pens: 6 G/A, G/A in every KO game, clutch banger vs Mexico, 2 insane assists vs Netherlands & Croatia, absolute masterclasses vs the best teams he faced, 5 MOTMs (incl. 4 peat), best player from QF to Finals, 2nd highest rated player (highest in KOs).
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@clinicalmusiala
He's had 4 seasons with under 6 league goals, and doesn't tie Messi's laces with his playmaking in any of those seasons.
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🇦🇷 Messi vs 🇵🇹 Ronaldo in last 15 seasons -
08/09 - 🇦🇷
09/10 - 🇦🇷
10/11 - 🇦🇷
11/12 - 🇦🇷
12/13 - 🇦🇷
13/14 - 🇦🇷 (I've explained)
14/15 - 🇦🇷
15/16 - 🇵🇹
16/17 - 🇦🇷
17/18 - 🇦🇷🇵🇹
18/19 - 🇦🇷
19/20 - 🇦🇷
20/21 - 🇦🇷
21/22 - 🇵🇹🇦🇷 (don't just see goals)
22/23 - 🇦🇷
I see no debate at all 🥱
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Messi in 2011 Copa America:
4 Matches 🏟
3 Assists 🅰️
5.75 Key Passes p/g 🗝
3.75 Big Chances Created p/g 💡
9-9.5 Successful Dribbles p/g ⚡️
3 Accurate Throughballs p/g 💫
6-6.25 Fouls Conceded p/g 🤕
1.25 Tackles p/g 👊
The best goalless campaign this century 🔥
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Most Games Scored in 2023:
🥇 Messi - 21
2. Haaland - 20
3. Ronaldo - 19
3. Benzema - 19
5. Mbappe - 18
Messi is also the only one to do it without any pens, others have scored only through pens in 4-5 games..
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Messi vs Mbappe:
Longevity - Messi 🇦🇷 (by far)
Peak - Messi 🇦🇷 (by far)
Club - Messi 🇦🇷 (by far)
International - Messi 🇦🇷 (currently far)
Big games - Messi 🇦🇷 (currently by far)
Overall - Messi 🇦🇷 (by far, will always be)
My man is funny, lol
Messi vs Mbappe:
Longevity - Messi🇦🇷
Peak - Mbappe🇫🇷(by far)
Club - Messi🇦🇷
International - Mbappe🇫🇷(by far)
Big games - Mbappe🇫🇷 (by far)
Overall - Mbappe🇫🇷(by far)
Mbappe is far better than Messi, who can only perform in systems that consistently pass the ball to his feet in
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Messi in UCL Eliminations since last decade:
21 Matches
>50 CHANCES CREATED
Just 01 ASSIST
Eliminated by the champion team 6 times, and finalists 9 Times (out of 12).
Had to carry a Europa League team against giants in Quarter-finals & Semi-Finals of UCL
Never had it easy 😮💨
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The most rigged Euros :
2016
The most rigged UCL :
2016 & 2017
The most rigged Ballon D'or :
2013
One name is common among the three
The most rigged World Cup :
Qatar 2022
The most rigged UCL :
2009
The most rigged Ballon D'or :
2010
One name is common among the three
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Messi 🇦🇷 🆚 Ronaldo 🇵🇹 -
Peak/Prime - 🇦🇷 >>
Longevity - 🇦🇷 >/=
Offense - 🇦🇷 >>
Defense - 🇦🇷 >
Club career - 🇦🇷 >
Intl. career - 🇦🇷 >>
Big Games - 🇦🇷 >
Ability - 🇦🇷 >>
How is this even a debate ??
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T10 peaks in last 10 seasons:
1. Messi 14/15 🇦🇷
2. Neymar 17/18 🇧🇷
3. Cristiano 13/14 🇵🇹
4. Suàrez 15/16 🇺🇾
5. Mbappe 22/23 🇫🇷
6. Lewandowski 19/20 🇵🇱
7. Haaland 22/23 🇳🇴
8. Benzema 21/22 🇫🇷
9. De Bruyne 22/23 🇧🇪
10. Salah 17/18 🇪🇬
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Top 5 players in terms of career -
1. Pelé 🇧🇷
2. Lionel Messi 🇦🇷
3. Ferenc Puskàs 🇭🇺
4. Alfredo Di Stefàno 🇦🇷
5. Cristiano Ronaldo 🇵🇹
Top 5 players in terms of talent/ability -
1. Pelé 🇧🇷
2. Lionel Messi 🇦🇷
3. Diego Maradona 🇦🇷
4. Johan Cryuff 🇳🇱
5. Ferenc Puskàs 🇭🇺
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Messi 🇦🇷 vs Mbappe 🇨🇵 in 22 WC:
Game 1 - 🇦🇷 7.0 🇨🇵 7.5
Game 2 - 🇦🇷 7.5 🇫🇷 8.0
Game 3 - 🇦🇷 8.0 🇨🇵 6.5*
Game 4 - 🇦🇷 8.5 🇨🇵 9.5
Game 5 - 🇦🇷 9.0 🇨🇵 6.5
Game 6 - 🇦🇷 8.5/9 🇨🇵 7.5/8
Game 7 - 🇦🇷 9.0 🇨🇵 9.0
Average - 🇦🇷 8.25 🇨🇵 7.80
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@apenaldo11
2013 isn't PRIME Messi. Injuries ruined things up. And Messi had better goal RATIO in 2013, than Ronaldo in every year except his best 3.
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Rating Messi's 2014 WC -
🇧🇦 = 8.5/10 🌟
🇮🇷 = 8.5/10 🌟
🇳🇬 = 9/10 🌟
🇨🇭 = 9/10 🌟
🇧🇪 = 7/10
🇳🇱 = 8/10 🌟
🇩🇪 = 7/10
Average Rating = 8.14/10
Avg. Rating in KOs = 7.75/10
Thoughts ?
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Oh WOW !! PRIME Mbappe is better than the WORST VERSION of Messi
Mbappé en Ligue 1 cette saison :
⏱️ | 309 min’
✅ | 7 buts ;
Messi en Ligue 1 2021-22 :
⏱️ | 2153 min’
❌ | 6 buts.
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Noodle hair Ronaldo during 16/17 & 17/18 seasons -
84 Goals (14 PK)
19 Assists
0 Golden Boots
1 UCL Top Scorer (w/o robbery)
Average Messi during 16/17 & 17/18 seasons:
99 Goals (12 PK)
34 Assists
2 Golden Boots
1 UCL Top Scorer (w/o being robbed)
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Mbappe 🇫🇷 🆚 Haaland 🇳🇴
Peak - 🇫🇷
Prime - 🇫🇷
Longevity - N/A (both r young)
Offense - 🇫🇷
Defense - 🇫🇷 (both r not good tbf)
Club - 🇫🇷
Intl. - 🇫🇷
Big Games - 🇫🇷
Ability - 🇫🇷
No debate 🤫
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Why Sándor Kocsis a.k.a the Golden Head is hands down Top 10 player OAT
[Thread]
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Messi's best KO runs in major competitions (chronological order):
08/09 UCL (Top 10)
10/11 UCL (Top 2)
14/15 UCL (Top 4)
18/19 UCL (Top 7)
2021 Copa America (Top 1)
2022 World Cup (Top 2)
One of the best Big Game players ever 🌟
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Pelé's career stats by age 24:
338 Games 🏟
429 Goals ⚽
193 Assists 🅰️
1.84 G+A per game 🔥
60 Hattricks & 20 Pokers 🤯
43 G+A in 23 Games in Tournaments 💫
🌟 Best player in 6/8 seasons
🌟 Best player in 1958 WC & 1959 CA
🌟 Best player in CL & ICC for Santos
Back 2 Back WCs 🏆
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@TimelineCR7
Messi Weak Foot Goals: 105
Cristiano goals for Juventus: 101
Same energy, makes no sense..
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🇦🇷 Messi vs 🇵🇹 Ronaldo in last 15 seasons -
08/09 - 🇦🇷
09/10 - 🇦🇷
10/11 - 🇦🇷
11/12 - 🇦🇷
12/13 - 🇦🇷
13/14 - 🇦🇷 (I've explained, but close)
14/15 - 🇦🇷
15/16 - 🇦🇷 (close)
16/17 - 🇦🇷
17/18 - 🇦🇷
18/19 - 🇦🇷
19/20 - 🇦🇷
20/21 - 🇦🇷
21/22 - 🇦🇷🇵🇹 (ur choice)
22/23 - 🇦🇷
Still no debate 🥱
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@TomFTW6
Messi has more dribbles than Vinicius this season itself, at the age of 35. Forget Prime.
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@KushagraPSG
Goals - Messi >>
Assists - Messi >>
KO Goals - Messi >>
KO Assists - Messi >>
Finals - Messi >>
MOTMs - Messi >>
MVPs - Messi >>
Best season - Messi >> (10/11 Messi clears 21/22 Benzema)
Best performance - Messi >>
Titles - Benzema > (Madrid tax)
How is Benzema even close ?
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@Gala10Galaxy
Where's Abraham Lincoln ?
Lincoln in 1863 -
60 Games
1369 Goals
More than 22 Goals per game
No assist data (surely more than 1000)
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@arielipillo
@ESPNFC
According to opta it's 8 I guess, no official source says 12. And Messi hit 10 in back to back finals.
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Top 5 UCL players :-
1. Ferenc Puskàs 🇭🇺
2. Alfredo Di Stefàno 🇦🇷
3. Cristiano Ronaldo 🇵🇹
4. Lionel Messi 🇦🇷
5. Karim Benzema 🇫🇷
Top 5 WC players :-
1. Pelé 🇧🇷
2. Franz Beckenbauer 🇩🇪
3. Lionel Messi 🇦🇷
4. Ronaldo Nazàrio 🇧🇷
5. Kylian Mbappe 🇫🇷
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Top 30 Greatest Players ever -
(1/3)
1. Pelé 🇧🇷
2. Lionel Messi 🇦🇷
3. Ferenc Puskàs 🇭🇺
4. Alfredo Di Stefàno 🇦🇷
5. Johan Cryuff 🇳🇱
6. Diego Maradona 🇦🇷
7. Franz Beckenbauer 🇩🇪
8. Sándor Kocsis 🇭🇺
9. Cristiano Ronaldo 🇵🇹
10. Eusèbio 🇵🇹
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Messi 🇦🇷 vs Cr7 🇵🇹 in BIG GAMES:
Games - 🇦🇷 303 🇵🇹 298
Min played - 🇦🇷 25998 🇵🇹 24818
Goals - 🇦🇷 190 🇵🇹 167
Gls p90 - 🇦🇷 0.66 🇵🇹 0.61
NP Gls - 🇦🇷 164 🇵🇹 138
NPG p90 - 🇦🇷 0.57 🇵🇹 0.50
Assists - 🇦🇷 95 🇵🇹 37
Ast p90 - 🇦🇷 0.33 🇵🇹 0.13
MOTMs - 🇦🇷 92 🇵🇹 33
MOTM % - 🇦🇷 46.5 🇵🇹 18.3
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@timesofball
Fake stats, yet again
Messi has scored 3 Hattricks, and more than 20 Braces since Maradona's death..
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If you scored 4 Hattricks and a poker every year for 20 years straight, you'd have 80 Hattricks with 20 Pokers.
Pelé has officially scored 86 Hattricks with 28 Pokers 🐐🇧🇷
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@Leo_messii_7
For those saying Ronaldo scored more, it's fake. Messi scored 579 from 2010-2019, Ronaldo scored 554. IFFHS counts a decade from 2011-2020, which is stupid.
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Messi turns 36 today, let's see how good he is compared to a certain Portuguese "GOAT"
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@Vettel_AMR
Bobby Charlton, Pelé, Zidane, Neymar, R9, Kocsis, maybe Gerd, Dembele of the top of head
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Top 10 Best Players since I started watching football LIVE:
1. Lionel Messi 🇦🇷
2. Kylian Mbappe 🇫🇷
3. Cristiano Ronaldo 🇵🇹
4. Neymar Jr. 🇧🇷
5. Robert Lewandowski 🇵🇱
6. Kevin De Bruyne 🇧🇪
7. Harry Kane 🏴
8. Mohammed Salah 🇪🇬
9. Toni Kroos 🇩🇪
10. Allison/Courtios 🇧🇷🇧🇪
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Players who have won 4 UCLs & 1 WC - 7
Players Who Have won 5 UCLs - 20
Players who have won the World Cup: 471.
Players who have won 5 Champions League trophies: 10.
Cristiano Ronaldo with the perfect answer. 👏
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Watch Messi's 14/15 UCL KO run, and tell me with a straight face that Neymar & Suàrez are better..
UCL Knockout-Stages Goals and Assists during the MSN era
🇧🇷 Neymar 10 goals + 4 assists
🇺🇾 Suarez 9 goals + 5 assists
🇦🇷 Messi 6 goals + 4 assists
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Best player in T5 Leagues since 09/10 -
09/10: Messi 🇦🇷
10/11: Cristiano 🇵🇹
11/12: Messi 🇦🇷
12/13: Messi 🇦🇷
13/14: Suàrez 🇺🇾
14/15: Messi 🇦🇷
15/16: Suàrez 🇺🇾
16/17: Messi 🇦🇷
17/18: Messi 🇦🇷
18/19: Messi 🇦🇷
19/20: Messi 🇦🇷
20/21: Lewandowski 🇵🇱
21/22: Mbappe 🇫🇷
22/23: Haaland 🇳🇴
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@KushagraPSG
This is soo fake,
Xavi alone has 206, 0.204 per game
Cristiano has 236, 0.202 per game
+ Xavi's playmaking outside final passing is absolutely miles clear
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Greatest UCL campaign (since 1992)
🇦🇷 Messi 10/11
🇦🇷 Messi 18/19
Greatest Laliga campaign
🇦🇷 Messi 12/13
🇦🇷 Messi 18/19
Greatest premier league campaign
🇺🇾 Suàrez 13/14
🇵🇹 Cristiano 07/08 (debatable with Henry & Haaland)
Greatest UCL campaign
🇵🇹 Cristiano Ronaldo 2016/17
🇫🇷 Benzema 21/22
Greatest Laliga campaign
🇵🇹 Cristiano Ronaldo 2011/12
🇦🇷 Messi 2012/13
Greatest premier league campaign
🇵🇹 Cristiano Ronaldo 2008/7
🇳🇴 Erling haaland 2022/23
Cristiano Ronaldo is the King of football 🐐
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Best Peak/Indv. seasons
Best Longevity
Best Goalscorer
Best Playmaker
Best Dribbler
Best League Career
Best UCL career (arguable)
Best Copa/Euros career
Best WC career
Best Big Game CV
Most Complete player
Most Decorated player
Best Indv. performance
By One Man in last 40 yrs 😬
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T10 Greatest Players ever (with tiers) -
1. Pelé 🇧🇷
2. Lionel Messi 🇦🇷
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3. Ferenc Puskàs 🇭🇺
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4. Johan Cryuff 🇳🇱
5. Alfredo Di Stefàno 🇦🇷
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6. Diego Maradona 🇦🇷
7. György Sàrosi 🇭🇺*
8. Franz Beckenbauer 🇩🇪
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9. Sándor Kocsis 🇭🇺
10. Cristiano Ronaldo 🇵🇹
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Only players with GOAT-level Club & International career:
Lionel Messi 🇦🇷
Pelé 🇧🇷
Ferenc Puskàs 🇭🇺
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Messi in 16/17 La Liga - 9 Assists from x14 Assists
Messi in 20/21 La Liga - 9 Assists from 13 xAssists
Ronaldo in 23/24 SPL - 9 Assists from 3 xAssists
Never let assists fool u 😏
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Show me any other player with such GOAT-level campaigns in every major competition he's played:
• Top 5 Leagues (11/12, 12/13, 14/15, 18/19 La Liga)
• Champions League (10/11, 14/15 18/19 UCL)
• Copa/Euros (2021 Copa)
• World Cup (2022 WC)
Only Pelé comes close..
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Before Messi's career, no player was called "system player" or "one club wonder" for spending most of his club career at one club, doing everything for them, and not for other clubs. It didn't happen to Pelé at Santos, Maldini at Milan or Di Stefàno at Madrid.
Why Messi ?
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@EIonOUT
Still in the Top 5, clear of Saudi League. And you don't know how defensive ligue 1 really is.
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Top 5 WC winning campaigns:
1. Maradona 1986 🇦🇷
2. Pelé 1958 🇧🇷
3. Garrincha 1962 🇧🇷
4. Pelé 1970 🇧🇷
5. Messi 2022 🇦🇷
Top 5 non-winning WC campaigns:
1. 1974 Cryuff 🇳🇱
2. 1954 Kocsis 🇭🇺
3. 1966 Eusèbio 🇵🇹
4. 2022 Mbappe 🇫🇷
5. 1958 Fontaine 🇫🇷
HMs - 78' Kempes 🇦🇷, 66' Haller 🇩🇪
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Ballon d'Or frontrunners:
🥇 Lionel Messi 🇦🇷
🥈 Erling Haaland 🇳🇴
🥉 Kylian Mbappe 🇫🇷
4⃣ Neymar Jr. 🇧🇷
5⃣ Kevin De Bruyne 🇧🇪
Messi is still in the lead, Haaland has lot to do in PL & UCL.
Neymar is still Top 4 despite the injury, KDB is rising up with his consistent playmaking.
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Top 10 European players ever:
1. Ferenc Puskàs 🇭🇺
2. Johan Cryuff 🇳🇱
3. Gryörgy Sàrosi 🇭🇺*
4. Franz Beckenbauer 🇩🇪
5. Sándor Kocsis 🇭🇺
6. Gerd Müller 🇩🇪
7. Cristiano Ronaldo 🇵🇹
8. Eusèbio 🇵🇹
9. Giuseppe Meazza 🇮🇹*
10. Lev Yashin 🇷🇺
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Messi 🇦🇷 🆚 Puskas 🇭🇺
Peak/Prime - 🇦🇷
Longevity - Puskás 🇭🇺
Offense - Messi 🇦🇷
Defense - Puskàs 🇭🇺 (could be close)
Club - Messi 🇦🇷
Intl. - Messi 🇦🇷
Big Games - Puskàs 🇭🇺
Overall Ability - Messi 🇦🇷
It's closer than most ppl think, but Messi is pretty clear👍
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🇦🇷Messi in 2014:
51 Goals-PK
21 Assists
5 Hattricks
12 Outside Box Goals
41 Big Chances Created
266 Succ. Dribbles
14 Goals in UCL/WC
WC POTT
🇵🇹CR in 2014:
48 Goals-PK
20 Assists
4 Hattricks
8 Outside Box Goals
20 Big Chances Created
102 Succ. Dribbles
14 Goals in UCL/WC
UCL MVP
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GOAT performance in each round -
UCL:
GS - Messi vs Dortmund
RO16 - Messi vs Leverkusen
QF - Messi vs Arsenal
SF - Messi vs Bayern
F - Puskàs vs Frankfurt
WC:
GS - Pelé vs Mexico
RO16 - Butragueño vs Denmark
QF - Maradona vs England
SF - Pelé vs France
F - Kempes vs Netherlands
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Finished Messi in 21/22 🇦🇷 vs Underated playmaker Cristiano in 10/11 🇵🇹 -
Assist p90: 🇦🇷 0.45 🇵🇹 0.34
Key Passes p90: 🇦🇷 2.46 🇵🇹 2.02
BCC p90: 🇦🇷 0.65 🇵🇹 0.62
Throughballs p90: 🇦🇷 0.74 🇵🇹 0.39
Succ. Dribbles p90: 🇦🇷 2.64 🇵🇹 2.33
Messi is, and will always be better 🤫
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Top 5 Club players:
1. Lionel Messi 🇦🇷
2. Ferenc Puskàs 🇭🇺
3. Alfredo Di Stefàno 🇦🇷
4. Cristiano Ronaldo 🇵🇹
5. Pelé 🇧🇷
Top 5 Intl. players:
1. Pelé 🇧🇷
2. Lionel Messi 🇦🇷
3. Franz Beckenbauer 🇩🇪
4. Ronaldo Nazàrio 🇧🇷
5. Didi 🇧🇷/Kocsis 🇭🇺
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@tweLing1
You guys ride on Bayern more than anything.
Messi's performance against Bayern in 2015 >>>> any Cr7 performance in a reputed game, and compensates the 8 - 2 loss, and maybe even this year's loss as well.
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@PrimeCR7i
5-peat Madrid
Barca 2008-11 (2 versions)
Barca 2015
City 2023
Hunguary's golden era
Brazil 58-62
Brazil 1970
Argentina since 2021
There could be more..
Now deactivate
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How Pelé scored goals in his career :-
Goalless: 365 Games (133 Assists)
1 Goal: 271 Games
2 Goals: 96 Games
3 Goals: 58 Games
4 Goals: 23 Games
5 Goals: 4 Games
6 or 7 Goals: No Games
8 Goals: 1 Game
Total: 757 Goals in 819 Games ⚽
86 Hattricks (most) 🔥
28 Pockers (most) 💥
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@leoape11
Bayern DOESN'T want Cristiano, they even rejected him MULTIPLE TIMES last season. And Messi ISN'T joining Al-Hilal imo.
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Messi in Big Competitions:
743 Matches (677.2 90s)
629 Goals (0.93 p90) ✅
544 Non-Penalty Gls (0.8 p90) ✅
257 Assists (0.38 p90) ✅
886 Gls+Ast (1.31 p90) ✅
45 Hattricks ❌️
119 Outside Box Gls (18.9%) ✅
426 Big Chances Created (0.79 p90) ✅
320 MOTMs (53.3%) ✅
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Messi 🇦🇷 vs CR 🇵🇹 2015-19:
Goals p90: 🇦🇷 0.95 🇵🇹 0.95
Gls-PK p90: 🇦🇷 0.83 🇵🇹 0.79
Assists p90: 🇦🇷 0.42 🇵🇹 0.23
BCC p90: 🇦🇷 0.90 🇵🇹 0.31
2+ Goals: 🇦🇷 70 🇵🇹 63
OTB Goals: 🇦🇷 61 🇵🇹 27
MOTM%: 🇦🇷 51.2 🇵🇹 26.5
Top Scorers: 🇦🇷 11 🇵🇹 08
MVPs: 🇦🇷 08 🇵🇹 04
Yt ppl say Ronaldo was better 🤷🏻
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Top 10 WORST Fanbases in football -
1. "Respect both GOATs" ppl
2. Cr7 fans
3. Messi fans
4. PL fans (no specific club)
5. Barca fans
6. Real Madrid fans
7. Man Utd fans
8. PSG fans
9. Liverpool/Chelsea/Arsenal fans
10. German fans
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Most Goals in Football History:
(Official only)
1. 🇵🇹 Cristiano - 838 (822 w/o Saudi)
2. 🇦🇹 Bican - 805
3. 🇦🇷 Messi - 805
4. 🇧🇷 Pelé - 757
Most Assists in Football History:
(No estimates)
1. 🇧🇷 Pelé - 363
2. 🇭🇺 Puskàs - 358-359
3. 🇦🇷 Messi - 357
4. 🇳🇱 Cryuff - 356
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Cmon mihir, stop the the bias..
Home leg,
Messi - >10/10 (prolly 10.25)
Neymar - 8.5/10
Away leg,
Messi - 7.5/10
Neymar - 8.5/10
Messi clears
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Why Ferenc Puskàs 🇭🇺 is the 3rd Greatest Player OAT (only behind Pelé & Messi):
Top 4-5 Peak/Prime
GOAT Longevity
Top 3 Offensive ability
Top 2-3 Club career
Top 5-6 NT career
Top 2 Big Game player
Most Clutch Scorer
GOAT UCL player (as a veteran)
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Best UCL performances at every stage (UCL era only):
Group stage- Messi vs Dortmund 19/20
Round of 16 - Messi vs Leverkusen 11/12 or City 14/15
Quarterfinal - Messi vs Arsenal 09/10
Semi Final - Messi vs Bayern 14/15
Final- Messi vs United 10/11
Best UCL performances for every stage:
Group stage-Lionel Messi vs Tottenham (away 18/19)
Round of 16-Messi vs Leverkusen (home 11/12)
Quarterfinal-Messi vs Arsenal (home 09/10)
Semifinal-Messi vs Madrid (away 10/11) Messi vs Bayern( home 14/15)
Final-Messi vs United (10/11)
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Most Big Chances Created every season since 14/15 (T5 Leagues):
14/15 - Messi (30)
15/16 - Messi (37)
16/17 - Messi (25)
17/18 - Messi (30)
18/19 - Messi (34)
19/20 - Messi (36)
20/21 - Messi/Kostić (22)
21/22 - Müller (22)
22/23 - Bruno (32)
Total: Messi (260)
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Greatest individual seasons this century -
1. Messi 11/12 🇦🇷
2. Messi 14/15 🇦🇷
3. Messi 10/11 🇦🇷
4. Messi 18/19 🇦🇷
5. Neymar 17/18 🇧🇷 (ignoring injuries)
6. Messi 12/13 🇦🇷
7. Cristiano 14/15 🇵🇹
8. Messi 22/23 🇦🇷
9. Lionel Messi 13/14 🇦🇷
10. Cristiano Ronaldo 13/14 🇵🇹
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25+ Non-Penalty Goals in a calendar year:
Messi - 15 Times
Cristiano - 14 Times
50+ Non-Penalty Goals in a calendar year:
Messi - 5 Times
Cristiano - 2 Times
75+ Non-Penalty Goals in a calendar year:
Messi - 1 Time
Cristiano - never came close
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@pelesburner
Messi vs Juventus >> Ronaldo vs Juventus, cmon
Messi vs Juventus > Ronaldo vs Chelsea asw
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Years Messi surpassed these legends :-
R9 - 2010-11
Kocsis - 2012
Yashin - 2012-13
Eusebio - 2014
Cristiano (current lvl) - 2014-15
Beckenbauer - 2015
Maradona - 2015-16
Cryuff - 2017
Di Stefàno - 2017-18
Puskàs - 2019
Pelé - 2022 (questionable)
Keeps Rising 🐐🇦🇷📈
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Players with 10+ Top class seasons:
Lionel Messi (14) 🇦🇷
Pelé (12) 🇧🇷
Cristiano (10-11) 🇵🇹
Puskàs (10) 🇭🇺
Top class season - Top 3 itw (podium)
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Top 5 Right Footed players OAT -
1. Pelé 🇧🇷
2. Alfredo Di Stefàno 🇦🇷
3. Johan Cryuff 🇳🇱
4. Gryörgy Sàrosi 🇭🇺*
5. Franz Beckenbauer 🇩🇪
Top 5 Left Footed players OAT -
1. Lionel Messi 🇦🇷
2. Ferenc Puskàs 🇭🇺
3. Diego Maradona 🇦🇷
4. Rivaldo 🇧🇷
5. Daniel Passarella/Gerson 🇦🇷🇧🇷
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@pelesburner
Messi was clear in league, not as far behind in UCL, dropped by far the best scoring season since 1980s, scored against every team he faced not just small teams, carried Barca to the league title, and scored that many goals with low vol of chances, won most points via gls & ast.
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Most overrated player from each decade:
60s - Eusèbio🇵🇹
70s - Noone
80s - Maradona 🇦🇷
90s - R9 🇧🇷
00s - Ronaldinho 🇧🇷
10s - Cristiano 🇵🇹
20s - Vinicius 🇧🇷
Most overrated player from each decade:
60s - George Best🇮🇪
70s - Cruyff🇳🇱
80s - Zico🇧🇷
90s - Cantona🇫🇷
00s - Henry🇫🇷
10s - Messi🇦🇷
20s - Messi🇦🇷
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