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“Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.” — Hebrews 13:8 Yet the Church learns to see His truth ever more clearly through history—not by changing it, but by contemplating it more deeply.
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represent a betrayal of the Apostles, but their full flowering through the Holy Spirit in time. To dismiss development is suggest the Church must remain in the seed stage forever. But the Catholic view is: Christ planted something living, and it has grown through the centuries
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Yes, the Church is human and divine. Her history includes saints and sinners, gold and blood. But from a Catholic perspective, none of her authentic teachings—not the Marian dogmas, not the development of doctrine, not the sacred art—
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The Eucharist is the very Body broken and Blood poured out on the Cross.
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As for Jesus’ own Passion, Catholics fully affirm its raw, gritty, and redemptive power. In fact, every Mass is a re-presentation of Calvary, not a distraction from it. The crucifix remains central on every Catholic altar.
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That has happened in history—no question. And the Church has often repented. But the misuse of something good doesn’t make the thing itself evil. Corruption doesn't invalidate beauty; it calls for purification.
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The gold, incense, and craftsmanship of the Tabernacle were all expressions of God’s holiness. What about misuse or abuse of Church wealth?
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The beauty of sacred art, architecture, and music has always been offered as a sacrifice of praise—not self-indulgence. God commanded beauty in worship (read the detailed instructions for the Temple in Exodus 25–28).
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The criticism of the Vatican's art, gold, and splendor is emotionally powerful—and understandable to a degree. It can seem like a contradiction to the poverty of Christ. But Catholics see sacred beauty not as contrary to Christ's humility, but as ordered toward His glory.
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Mary is not a source of grace, but a vessel. The title "Mediatrix" is always understood subordinately to Christ's sole mediatorship (cf. 1 Timothy 2:5). She participates by intercession, not by divine authority.
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As for titles like Mediatrix of All Graces or Spouse of the Holy Spirit, these are theological expressions, not formal dogmas. They aim to honor Mary's unique role in salvation history—not place her above Christ.
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The belief in Mary's Assumption is ancient, with roots in liturgical feasts from at least the 6th century. The Church didn't create the dogma but recognized a truth long held by the faithful and confirmed by theological reflection.
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You're right that the Bodily Assumption of Mary was formally defined in 1950 (by Pope Pius XII), but this was not a sudden or arbitrary declaration.
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—but only within the proper limits, that is, within the same doctrine, the same meaning, and the same judgment."
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St. Vincent of Lérins (5th century) articulated this long before Newman: "Therefore, let there be growth and abundant progress in understanding, knowledge, and wisdom, in each and all, in individuals and in the whole Church, at all times and in the progress of ages—
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Think of it this way: a seed becomes a tree. The tree is not something other than the seed; it's the full flowering of what's already there. Development is organic, not novel.
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What John Henry Newman proposed—and what the Church affirms—is the development of doctrine, not innovation or the invention of new doctrines unrelated to the Apostolic deposit.
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According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC 66-67): "The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ."
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She should resign. Using the murder to attempt to score political points is unconscionable. Her answer should have been: "A person exercising their First Amendment rights should never be punished. I offer my sincere condolences to his wife and children."
This is exactly the right response from Warren. Democrats: listen to @SenWarren
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Hey Patch. Different conversation. From the LDS perspective, what is wrong or factually incorrect in this statement: "Heavenly Father was probably never a sinner."
@SSFouts If you want to discuss the scriptural and revealed support for a sinless, perfect God the Father, I'm happy to do that - in a different conversation. But that's nothing to do with what we were discussing before you changed the topic to avoid discussing it.
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