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@die_lian_hua
The fact that it's implied that vision weilders become bound to Celestia after gaining their vision and that they essentially become slaves to fate in the process, so he made sure she'll never be in their clutches again by giving her a piece of himself. 😭
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@LadyJoke2
I feel bad for Paimon sometimes. Even with her actively hitting the audience over the head with the point of a quest they still somehow miss it 😭
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@euterness
Imagine if they agreed on this plan 400+ years ago. Back then he didn't really know her that well or care much for her so he agreed. They seal his memory so the plan does not influence his judgement. At the time it was a logical plan, maybe even the best plan they have but now...
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@Furinpa
They are! Turandot is an opera about a nameless prince who falls for the cold princess Turandot. Anyone who wishes to wed her must solve 3 riddles correctly or die. The prince succeeds but she is not in love with him so he challenge her to guess his name by dawn. 1/2
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@euterness
I like to imagine this was before the split and she's saying this in front of a mirror. Like she's saying it as a form of reassurance, that once she's no longer whole her humanity is enough. No it has to be what draws him in. Not her divinity but her humanity.
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@DWytte
We need a second sq where she directly looks at the screen and says "Even without my divinity I am still Focalors!". Maybe then they'll get it. 😭
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@Furinpa
If she succeeds she is free from him but if she doesn't the wedding proceeds. During the night they get to know each other and the princess came to like him. Before dawn the prince gave her his name placing his life in her hands. When asked if she had his name she said its love.
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@KarM00K
I'm hoping hoyo gives her back her memories when she was an oceanid to put this debate to rest. I'd be really happy if they let her remember planning the whole thing, growing barnacles at the bottom of the ocean.
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@larlaristy
Oh 👀. They have each other's heart! Neuvillete is missing a part of himself that is held by the Archon, Furina in return gave him her heart maybe as a way to fill the void. I hope hoyo would at least allude to this in 4.2 but knowing them they'll probably keep it vague.
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@Remellu
And she took on that burden because she loved her people more than she ever loved herself. It was awful for her but her resolve never faltered because she always put Fontaine first.
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@euterness
Paimon didn't repeat it to them so they didn't get it.
Paimon should've said: You mean to tell me that Furina is actually just Focalor without her divinity and that Focalor considers her the best part of herself. On top of that they're actually the same person! Paimon's confuse😓
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@basedhutao
Hope the guilt eats him from the inside after he learns the truth. Love his character but ya know he deserves it. Furina didn't deserve what they put her through.
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@Neuvilletrte
@larlaristy
She probably views herself as an usurper and by being judge by the sovereign of water the debt is paid. Neuvi gets his justice, order is restored. The only problem is Neuvi didn't want it that way and wasn't even informed on how Furina planned to right the wrongs of the world.
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@Oyakorodesu
You're so right! Because Zhongli even mentioned it was a contract with herself. So I don't understand why people blame Focalor as if she wasn't suffering too, trapped in that machine, waiting for death. They're so😭
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@die_lian_hua
There's a theory that if Furina's cons references Turandot then her knowing Neuvi's name might be a reference to the opera as well. Neuvi told Furina the truth about his identity essentially placing his life in her hands. But instead of fulfilling her duty to heaven she chose him
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@die_lian_hua
Neuvi heard about her living conditions from Clorinde and begged her to come back. She couldn't refused him forever because he looked so sad... XD
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@iceeyuwah
He stares at that empty seat whenever trials are held, expecting her comments only to be reminded that she's left this life behind.
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@hxg_diluc
Because in a way the aq followed the fate of Babylon the Great. Rebelling against heaven and all, with all of its consequences too.
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@Furinpa
Furi's cons are very interesting because at least 2 of them references tragic operas where the main heroine dies from failed romances and another 2 is a reference to the same opera which is actually a great love story. I'm stumped on c2 and 4. They say c2 could be Rigoletto.
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@iceeyuwah
The fact that Rukkha and Egeria canonically have children together with the goddess of flowers xD.
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@maskedfools
This is why Paimon has to bash people over the head with the point of each quest, because most people can't read between the lines.😭 Heck even with Paimon explicitly stating things some players are still confused. 😭
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@euterness
😭😭😭😭😭 I found some youtube comments like this too, but at least there's effort to correct the misconception there in the comment section. Tiktok however scares me. I'm convince that were not even playing the same game. Also thank you for the Foca/Furi mitosis chart.
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@sleepie_birdie
His character story 4 and 5 is just him thinking about her, trying to understand and in the still following along with her whims 😭
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@yolyazz
He looked like a sad otter standing in the rain looking up to her window. She's weak to cute things unfortunately😔
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@alRhyme
@kzscaradoodle
The fact that traveler and paimon has to be personally involve in the sq kinda leads to awful moments like this. Imagine if it was any other member of the Fontaine cast who sought her out. Clorinde, Navia, Neuvillette, Lyney etc. Literally any of them would have made it better.
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@euterness
Does this mean they moved out if the Palais Mermonia and are now living together? 😭 This is my personal delulu.
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@basedhutao
The pianist giving Neuvi vibes. If hoyo comes out with art of him on the piano I'd melt. This almost feels like being bashed over the head with subtext but I'm not complaining. Then again I know hoyo knows their players struggle with subtext if instances like this exist in game😭
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@euterness
@sleepie_birdie
Yup c1 is carmen. A tragedy, the heroine dies to a jealous lover. C2 is Rigoletto a tragedy of jealousy and sacrifice. C3 and 5 is Turandot a good love story C4 is Orfeo ed Euridice another tragedy and so is C6 la Traviata where societal expectations etc. tears the lovers apart.
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@YumenoHakushika
Why are people like this 😭
The one time I wished Paimon actually gave exposition about them basically being the same being and she dipped. Why!? Just why!? 🤦♀️
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@die_lian_hua
That's like saying her title Regina of All Waters had no bearing in the plot and was just a cool bible reference when it literally foreshadowed her entire story in the 4.2 aq. Yes it was a cool reference but it also had plot relevance regarding her fate. Same with her cons.
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@larlaristy
Someone mentioned that GoF and king Deshrets story mirrors the plot of Turandot and we know what those two did. Is this Hoyo subtly hinting that Neuvi and Furi are parallels to them and if they are then that also hints at the nature of their relationship.
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@KarM00K
@Furinpa
The fact that Fontaine's story is set up like a Greek tragedy complete with a looming prophecy and a character set on preventing it. What if Furi's hamartia is love. She loved too much even though she is justice, she should punish sin but instead she's the sacrifice to cleanse it
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@die_lian_hua
I remember you said Neuvi and Furi might be parallels to GoF and King Deshret and someone quoted me with this. Like what is this? Hoyo what does it mean? Her cons reference this opera and now I learn its plot is referenced by GoF and King Deshret.
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@euterness
@ngenthawt
Now that you mention this being a disappearing act I got reminded of The Prestige, it mentions that in magic making something disappear isn't enough you also have to bring it back. Now I'm wondering if there's a period where Furina is "dead" before coming back in the finale.
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@yl3587
It's the Pari world quest. The Pari regard themselves as the daughters of the three deities, Nabu Malikata, Greater Lord Rukkhadevata and Egeria. The lore of their creation is very interesting and it in no way resembles how humans reproduce so no sleeping around was involved.
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@yolyazz
This honestly! Furina sacrificed so much just as herself for 500 years. If the archons can acknowledge that why can't the rest of the fandom.
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@noodles_catto
@die_lian_hua
Egeria sinned, leaving Furi and Neuvi to fix her mistakes. It's also probably referring to Erinnyes and Scylla lore. Erinnyes the singer and Scylla the previous hydro dragon.
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@KarM00K
I'm coping she'll regain some of her memories as Focalors in her second sq so they'd stop treating them as mother/daughter😭
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@basedhutao
She was never a puppet because the plan hinges on her will to preserver. A puppet had no will. Furina is the strongest character in this game she was so hopeful, kind and the people of Fontaine ruined her, mocked her treated her like a mascot and still she put them before herself
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@euterness
@sleepie_birdie
Apparently her c4 is a reference to Orpheus and Euridice. Is Neuvi gonna traverse the abyss just get her back after she sacrifices herself only for her to dissolve. 😭
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@crispykodraws
Rhodeia was probably seething because she wasn't chosen.😭I wonder what Focalors did to make her think she was getting assassinated after she left. I wonder if Focalors got rid of Rhodeia because she'd caught on to her plan and expose her secrets.
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@euterness
@sleepie_birdie
Not to mention she is also heavily doomed by her biblical references.😭The original sin in the bible was cleansed by the sacrifice of the one who is sinless. If she doesn't dissolve does that mean she's sinless and if so we'll hoyo make that parallel. Doomed by her stars and fate
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@FocalletteMMD
@timelytsaritsa
Probably the latter. Her viewers take her word as fact because they hate reading so they often watch her chanel to catch up to the lore. Her videos aren't really bad by themselves since she does say they're speculation. It's how her viewers ignore this, is the problem.
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@basedhutao
Then he immediately gave a piece of himself to Furina. What if the reason why he never tried to gain his authority back was because he felt peace knowing who holds his heart. Then when he gained it back he felt empty without her comforting presence. Hence the vision.😭
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@s4xkm
If this is true then the ability to create life makes a lot of sense because that was the task celestia made Egeria for. Assuming Furina was acknowledge by Celestia when she ascended then it's only logical for her to inherit Egeria's responsibility to the world.
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@Oyakorodesu
He's shaking her 😭. "Why are you leaving me! I did everything you asked! So why..."
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@cakepoops2
She's probably seething because Egeria implied Focalors was smarter than her with her choice of successor. Focalors said she was chosen for her intelligence. This probably left Rhohdeia bitter. I wonder if Focalors trolled her so she'd leave and not get in the way of her plan.
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@euterness
This is just a hc but I think the moment Neuvi understood Callas was the moment her choice was made. It probably reassured her that in the end he'd understand. It was for a justice higher than life itself after all. Surely he'd understand. At least that's her hope.
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@euterness
@neinamin
For arguments sake even if Furina didn't make it, just by understanding the chronological order of events we know that she's still has a higher possibility of making it cause she was actually alive when it was made.💀 Like even Alain has a higher chance than Egeria 😭
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@himaricore
It's about the lochknight Erinnyes who could actually be Furina who was tasked with saving Egeria because she was apparently trapped by possibly Boethius and Remuria. Who at that point have been hunting down the tribes residing in Fontaine that were not Remurians 1/?
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@flwrxielian
@hxg_diluc
Some say it's like Pela's age lvl of inconsistent 😭 They are apparently ooc compared to their portrayals in prior quest, but I haven't done the story myself so I'm not sure how valid the complains are.
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@die_lian_hua
He even decide to allow fate to have sway over him because of her. Putting on hold his judgement of the world because she told him to over see their people and he can't say no. He's so down bad 😭
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@ngenthawt
@euterness
Maybe it is. All I know is, she's planned all this from the start, and from the looks of it death isn't her end goal but it is an accepted possibility. She probably has some way to come back but knows that it might fail so she's set up everything before hand, just in case.
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@euterness
Me too. Those were probably the only "leaks" that acknowledge the lore in the Fontaine glider regarding Egeria and Celestia as well as the role of the hydro archon in Teyvat.
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@Furinpa
The way I see it Furina didn't need to be kind. She didn't need to love Fontaine and didn't need to work so hard but she still did. After all to err is human. There is a helplessness in her story but also so much resolve. 1/2
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@rez_bin
@die_lian_hua
But his Iudex he can't just magically appear before her because someone is flirting with her.😭
He's doomed isn't he, she's still has so many admirers and he probably promised her freedom so he can't just interfere in her affairs. He'll have to stew in his emotions XD
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@Emmy103870
@euterness
She's not really similar to Scara. Scara was made by Ei while Furina is part of Focalors. Focalors was human when she ascended. Afterwards she separated her divinity from her body and soul. The body and soul became Furina and the divinity went to the Oractrice.
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@euterness
I realize that if your not into HSR combat it becomes very boring since that's all it has. There's no exploration, so new locations aren't as exciting and the retcon they've done regarding a certain character's age has me worry for the story's future.
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@sc4ramouse
The way the bible actually spoiled 4.2 for me. The whore of Babylon loosing everything to the beast because of her act of rebellion against heaven. How, in order to erase the original sin the sacrifice of the messiah is necessary. etc.
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@KarM00K
From what I've read it sounds like he gave her a part of himself, not that he shaped her constellation and that fate itself is a concept created by Celestia one that he doesn't really care for all that much and he only cared because of Focalor/Furina's words.
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@euterness
Then again no leaker has actually ever gotten a hold of Neuvillete's lines for Furina. Which is so weird. Other leakers supposedly had all of Furi and Navia's lines but couldn't get that one line from Neuvi. I guess we have to wait till preload for things to clear up.
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@die_lian_hua
Reading up on Remurian lore coming in clutch. My obsession with Neuvifuri's possible lore link to Remuria lead to me reading some of the essays written by irl password just to see what hoyo was cooking at the time. 😭
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@StarlitDewdrop
@reallya_ngry
I watched Ying's playthrough of the aq she was playing with cn dub l, and she was a bit surprised that Focalors was referring to Furina in the eng sub in the third person when in the cn voice over she was referring to her as myself. Like "I owe myself an apology" instead of her.
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@den_dere
@euterness
F: he barely liked me as the hydro archon and at the time he thought I was a god. How could he ever like just plain old Furina. Even I don't know who she is anymore 😔😢
N: Just having lady Furina near me brightens up my day. Her existence is truly a blessing 😊🌥️⛅️☀️
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@Rosapphics
@FocalletteMMD
@wildcardbrush
All I'm saying is hoyo is a company that panders to all while trying to avoid commitments so them trying to tease ships between multiple pairings while committing to none is a strategy to appease a massive fandom. This pair included. 2/2
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@Zetsubou283
@euterness
Bold of you to assume the players can read subtext when they struggle with just plain text. Pretty sure Hoyo's aware of it too because Furina's sq is not even subtle about it being a mirror to Furina's story. But I guess hoyo should've done something like for more clarity😭
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@KarM00K
While I don't think she's a shade I do agree she's probably connected to them, in the same way Venti is. Also that Regina of all waters connection to Lucine was really good.
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@EreanaB93
Venti would give her one if he's given the chance tbh. She craves freedom and loves music, plus him being the trickster that he is he'd probably do it to mess with the rumored dragon guarding Fontaine's former deity.
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@basedhutao
Same. I hate the fact that there were actually people saying the next patch lore is going to get carried by Childe and the Fatui as every other lore regarding Fontaine doesn't exist. I know they're playing a major part but there's more to Fontaine than just Fatui 🙃
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@euterness
@risaminci
I wouldn't mind her theorizing randomly and inaccurately if her audience actually reads. After all the one of the fun parts in theory crafting is speculating no matter how wild. The thing is they don't, and they take her word as gospel so they have the tendency to spread misnfo.
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@KarM00K
Oh well, after I read through parts of the Archon quest, I think Furina is a complex and multifaceted character on her own. So I'm not too upset at the outcome though I hope she becomes lore relevant again someday. Maybe parts of her divinity still lingers. My copium 😭
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@die_lian_hua
She legit thought the baby was an assassin and turn the waters bitter to ensure no can approach her 😭
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@Rosapphics
@FocalletteMMD
@wildcardbrush
This is still a gacha game and Mihoyo is company that panders to its audience. No ship will ever be confirmed because it will take away the illusion of availability that the players have towards them. These characters get idol treatment so any romantic relationship is a no no.
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@KarM00K
Also is it confirmed that since he gave her the vision he's somehow involve in the creation of her cons? Sorry I haven't read everything yet.
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@Rosapphics
@FocalletteMMD
@wildcardbrush
You have a point however none of those game have the reached genshin has or a fanbase as massive. Remember the recent scandal that happened with Scara or the how the fandom threw a hissy fit at the mention of Guizhong being possibly link to Zhongli. 1/2
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@blklilacc
It amazes me how some people in the Furina mains subreddit figured out the plot of 4.2 because of the bible references F and N had to Babylon and the leviathan. It almost made me believe that reading comprehension was not so bad in this fandom. Then takes like this pop up.
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@die_lian_hua
@rez_bin
Random NPC: how did the Iudex knew I talked with lady Furina? 😭
Melusine: Intuition 😊
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@RoninofCrimson
@ikiOridx
I see her more as Himmel because she's so good at reading other people's emotion and is really caring for her people. She has the same emotional maturity as Himmel. Not to mention she can be a bit dramatic like him but also be so silly xD
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@die_lian_hua
Unrelated but do you think the reason why Neuvi never questioned Furina's divinity was because he had a religious experience the first time he ever saw her perform? He was convinced he witnessed divinity after hearing her sing.
"Surely she must be a god to have moved me so."
-N
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@die_lian_hua
@_CatRatio
Maybe she'd even bless them and be welcomed by the adeptus as a protector of Liyue 🥲
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@KarM00K
It finally occured to me what the leaker was talking about when they said dissolving is not akin to dying but a separation of the body and the soul. It's the pneumousia system. Pneuma means spirit or soul, Ousia means essence, substance or loosely flesh. 1/?
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@HutaoLoverGI
Who's saying this? Is she talking to herself? Is it someone else? Egeria? Neuvillette? Fontaine? 😭
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@Drach1ron
@Furinpa
Do you think the reason Furina can't dissolve is because she wasn't born with the original sin? The primordial sea has passed a verdict on the guilty, but what if it punishes an innocent soul instead. Would that nullify the prophecy? Is this her plan? 4.2 can't come soon enough.
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@basedhutao
Imagine if that gem suddenly looses it's luster and that's how Neuvillete figures out Furina is in danger. Her comforting presence, the one that constantly beats in his chest replaced by an all consuming emptiness. I want to see overprotective Neuvi he's a Dragon after all.
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@SpookyVanvan
@calyxconcision
I thought it wouldn't be that bad but I was not prepared for that. 😂😭
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@die_lian_hua
Now I'm wondering if the info Nahida got was truly worth the cost, even Mona was aware of the false sky because she was taught about it presumably by her master. She just never really give it much thought.
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@basedhutao
@madpowycat
Then she says: My dear Iudex, no need to grieve. My death was but a spectacle I needed to perform in order to appease fate. Surely you didn't think I'd leave you all alone-
Neuvi just tackles her into a bone crushing hug because he was left traumatized from loosing her.
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