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#OFFTOPIC
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Started this Twitter handle 4 years ago, to create an awareness and provide updates about ETFs and Index funds.
Hope to have made a good impact on investors.
Thank you everyone!
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This MF industry boasts of 50 lakh cr AUM and 4 cr investors.
( Retail is less 50% of this AUM & that's a diff issue).
If they cannot handle this kyc mess for meagre 4 cr investors, how can they handle 10 or 15 cr investors in future.
This industry is a joke.
FD sahi hai!
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Uday Kotak - "Investors who have joined after Covid have mainly seen the upside. While the situation is not comparable at present, we need to keep Japan of the 80s at the back of our mind."
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Use official AMC portals for all your investments.
Avoid all other apps.
Avoid mutual funds in dmat mode.
If you are really a long-term investor, you are going to set up your investments - one-time. AMC websites are more than enough.
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Person of the year:
"SIP-investor" - who didn't check the portfolio everyday, didn't stop the SIPs, withdraw at all-time-highs, probably never on twitter or reading this tweet".
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March 2024 -Sebi chief flags risk of bubble in stock market.
April 2024 - Sebi chief- High p/e ratio of Indian markets a sign of investor optimism and trust.
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Markets at all-time highs.
Checking indices-returns at these highs & investing based in this will lead to disappointment.
20-25% index returns are not sustainable over longer periods.
Reversion to mean.
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Year 2030.
Nifty hits 30,000.
MF AUM crosses 100 lakh cr.
Investors continue to get emails regarding re-kyc/ validation from
@Camsonline
@weKFintech
Finmin still discussing single kyc.
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This is the truth of SIP net inflows:
FY 2022-23 84,000 cr. 7,000 cr per month.
FY 2023-24 88,000 cr. 7,300 cr per month.
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Performance across global asset classes (As on March 31st, 2024)
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Performance across global asset classes (As on February 29th, 2024).
Apart from Bitcoin, Nasdaq and SP500 should be the index you should be looking at.
Nifty 50 hardly ranks on top.
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FYI:
Mirae Fang ETF nav 77, cmp 97.
Mirae S&P Top 50 ETF nav 37, cmp 43.
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Japan’s Nikkei 225 index went to a high of 38957 in 1989 & hit a low of 6994 during 2008 crash. Now 38000.
Obviously investors wouldn't have made money if they have invested at the top, but would they have made money if they had started their SIP in 1989.
Yes.
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Why do index funds need Ads?
Index funds and ETFs are supposed to be low-cost.
Why AMCs are spending so much money on ads?
Sales & marketing / advertising expenses included in TER.
This is about passive funds and not about active funds and their expenses.
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Index funds/ETFs are NOT risk-free.
Though it eleminates fund manager risk, the stock-market risk remains, which is large enough.
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It is high time, AMFI, NSE and AMCs and media - post ETF data excluding EPFO ETF investments. This hype of 5/6 lakh cr in ETFs makes no sense.
Retail investors hardly have any investments in ETFs.
Be transparent in posting such data.
@NSEIndia
@amfiindia
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Many fund houses are desperate to launch NFOs in passive space. There are over 200 index funds and ETFs, already.
All the nifty indices have IFs or ETFs. NFOs are hardly getting AUM.
AMCs should take a break regarding NFOs in passive space.
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Biggest wealth creation expected to happen in equity markets this decade (which started couple of years ago).
But, what's happening really?
Except for the investors - finfluencers, Youtubers, seminar guys, brokers - everyone is making money.
The investor is not to blamed.
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India's top AMCs SBI, HDFC, ICICI have hardly spoken about this kyc mess.
Nor they have provided any solution like online kyc modification.
Looks like 50L AUM & 20k SIP is enough?
Who cares about investors?
@NileshShah68
@iRadhikaGupta
were the only ones to speak about.
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Too many factor indices and funds for them - doesn't make any sense. Investors are idiots?
The only index remaining is:
Nifty 500-quality-momentum-value-alpha-low volatility-50 index.
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Another big distruption in mutual fund coming up after May 1.
Your name & DOB should match with your mf account.
DOB will match;
but initials/surname likely to cause issues.
Clarifications from AMFI will come after 25 days, like they did for rekyc.
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Gold ETFs outflow of 400 cr. AUM 32800 cr.
Silver ETFs inflow of 660 cr. AUM 5700 cr.
Big inflows/outflows happening in ETFs, mainly from Multi asset funds, which have commodities as part of their allocation.
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Change in face value of Icici ETFs, effective 10th May.
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SEBI introduces trading in secondary market based on blocked funds in investor’s bank account.
What's next? Buy direct from NSE?
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This is a good point. Avoid keeping emergency funds in liquid schemes.
You never know when your account could be frozen for kyc problem/any other similar prob; redemptions could be delayed.
If AMCs could cause such issues/delays, imagine your funds in dmat with a stock broker.
@AmolPlanRupee
With these KYC issues, MFs are strictly long term investments. Cannot keep emergency funds in liquid schemes even if they say T+0/1.
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Since overseas ETF investments have been stopped, many ETFs trading at substantially higher prices than inav.
Mirae S&Ptop50 ETF - 10% premium.
Mafang - 10% premium.
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Changes in symbols of ETFs of Kotak AMC.
Earlier, AMCs used to have their AMC name prefixed.
Now, they have been removed.
All of them have similar names, with slight variations.
There is LiquidI, LiquidIETF, LiquidETF etc.
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Huge inflows suggest - FOMO among investors.
Many NFOs suggest - FOMO among AMCs.
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SEBI to regulate index providers like NSE, BSE.
More transparency and accountability can be expected in calculation and maintainence of the index.
source SEBI
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Total market index is the only index which can be called as truly passive.
N500 covers 95% of the market.
Everything else - N50 (65% of the mkt), NN50, mid/small - are not passive, in true sense. Smart beta is active +passive.
US - Vanguard Total mkt index.
Just 2 indices!
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Its Nikkei Index peak was 1,989. Some 34 years later with near zero interest rates, the Nikkei is still below its 1,989 peak.
Though not now, we will see bubble stage sometime this decade. Maybe 40-50 P/E.
Till then ride on!
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Out of 53 lakh cr AUM, only 18% or 9.4 lakh cr is from B30 or beyond top 30 cities. (Of the 9 lakh cr, it is mostly institutional).
While direct stocks/option trading has reached the entire country, mutual funds have hardly reached the semi-urban/rural areas.
@amfiindia
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Since march 2020 lows, NYSE Fang+ index up 250% / CAGR 39%. Nasdaq up 151%/CAGR 27%
Too much?
Not really, if you compare with Nifty midcap/Smallcap indices.
N-mid 334% CAGR 46%.
N-small 410% CAGR 52%.
Are you happy with above returns or worried?
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Don't get into this regular-direct discussions.
Very few investors succeed in direct investments.
If you need help someone managing your porfolio, then get help.
Any finfluencer/twitterati recommending xyz stock or fund will not be there to help you when need the most.
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Unnecessary costs and issues in dmat. everytime you sell there is dp charges.
you are investing big amount, why trust a broker with your life-time savings?
technical glitches, trust issues are always there.
SIP via AMC is far better and safer.
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@iRadhikaGupta
Without distribution network/MFDs/ Active funds, mutual funds cannot grow.
Awareness alone won't be sufficient.
Unless, distributors are well incentivised, the present growth will slow down.
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There are pros and cons of any product.
ETFs: last week when Nifty 50 dropped to 21800, one could have invested at those levels only by investing in ETFs.
Nifty closed that day around 22200; if you had invested in index funds that day, nav would have been higher at 22200.
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What we are seeing in mutual fund section of newspapers/web:
x% of funds don't beat benchmark this month.
y% of funds beat BM last year.
7 funds have given 10% last month, do u have any?
Repetitive.
How is this going to be useful for investors?
Pls write something better.
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Fininfluencers looting public money from social media posts without any accountability.
Experts on TV front-running the stocks they talk about.
Is it so difficult for SEBI to ban people from talking stocks in public media?
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Nicely put.
Across the different categories the tracking diff is high.
Imagine how they would peform during market downtrends. Mid/small/momentum funds will have no place to hide.
Looking for index funds with the lowest expense ratio but ignoring tracking error is like picking the cheapest flight ✈️ while ignoring the multiple stops🛑and long layovers⏳
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Nifty PSE index is up 110% in last 1 year.
And you see AMCs launching NFOs of funds and ETFs in this sector.
According to them investors are idiots, who will subscribe to any NFO.
Will be interesting to see much these NFOs get inflows.
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Nifty was at 12k, now at 10400.
Mid cap & small cap indices are dn 20/40 % from their highs.
Even IF
#Nifty
were fall to 10k/9k or whatever- doesn't matter, if you are goals are 10 years away.
If
#investing
at 12k was sensible, it makes more sense to invest at lower levels.
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It's been 6 years at X.
2018-2020 no one noticed. No media wrote about index funds/etfs.
2020-22 rush of articles & new funds.
2023-24 passives lost traction as mid/small cap actives performed big and continuing.
Not expecting any improvement in passives, things will be dull.
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ETF fund flows FY 2023-24.
Net inflows 42k.
90% of this flows is EPFO;
Net inflows are similar to index funds.
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Why do we need a kyc, if payments are done through banks, where kyc is done with PAN & Aadhaar?
Needs a permanent fix.
Help me understand.
Are you as investor struggling with KYC issues particularly around investing in AMCs where you don’t have existing investments?
Share for wider reach.
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This is nonsense.
Doesn't know how to interpret data.
The direct AUM includes EPFO, Corporates and Institutions. Ideally this should be excluded.
Retail AUM has about 23% direct and rest is regular.
For the first time, AMFI has started to display the break-up of direct plans between PMS, RIA and DIY investors. Thank you
@GoalBridge
for bringing this to my notice. With regulatory reforms, this 4.4% under advice by RIAs can multiply manifold. India needs more RIAs.
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Equity Funds AUM - 21 lakh crores. (42% of total 50L cr)
Hybrid - 6 lakh cr.
Passive - 84k cr (2% of total).
ETFs = 46k cr. (11k retail + 35k HNI - about 1% of total)
Total investments in passives by retail is about 3% of total.
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AMFI, AMCs & media should report AUM/other data separately for Institutions & Retail.
AUM 50 lakh cr - How much is retail AUM?
Fund returns -15/20% CAGR - How much is retail making money?
20 cr folios - what is avg investment/folio?
Hope to see transparent data in future.
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Sebi asks mutual funds to stop fresh subscriptions in overseas ETFs from April 1.
The limit for overseas ETFs is $1 billion.
Investments in non-ETF overseas securities to continue.
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Net inflows of individual investors in NSE cash market.
Despite markets hitting new highs & record number of Dmat account openings, the net inflow is declining/negative.
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April SIP flows should be lower.
May SIP flows will be substantially lower.
All credit goes to KYC mess.
Existing folios are not affected, but many SIPs are closed every month; replaced by new SIPs which could have been affected.
Would be a surprise, if SIP crosses 20k cr.
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Except for a small percentage of people, India is a trading nation. Quick money, multi baggers, options & other stuff.
Even in mutual funds, they chase the funds giving highest returns for the past year.
It is unlikely that passive will grow like US markets.
Equity Funds AUM - 21 lakh crores. (42% of total 50L cr)
Hybrid - 6 lakh cr.
Passive - 84k cr (2% of total).
ETFs = 46k cr. (11k retail + 35k HNI - about 1% of total)
Total investments in passives by retail is about 3% of total.
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191 NFOs launched this year.
Total mobilized 54,000 cr.
Index funds - 2500 and ETFs 591; only 5% of total amount.
No takers for Gold ETFs - 23cr.
Rest of it active funds.
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Index fund flows for FY2023-24.
Net inflows 15k cr.
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AMC diversification necessary, even if similar funds bought.
but, in the current context don't rely too much on single asset like mutual funds.
everything with one amc, one asset or one broker is dangerous.
we are talking about our life savings here, not few thousands or lakhs.
@IndiaEtfs
Does this mean we badly need to have AMC diversification even if we are buying similar kinds of funds (i. e. duplication)?
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PE of Nikkei in 1989 was 60 and China in 2008 was 55.
@IndiaEtfs
Similar story for Shanghai index as well... what was the PE of Nikkei at the peak and for the Chinese index in 2008 ? Any idea ?
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Index fund flows in FY23-24.
Similar to ETFs, flows into IFs are much lower.
If you see any article in newspapers/twitter about growth in passives, it's completely wrong and misleading.
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Cred acquires Kuvera.
Use official AMC portals for all your investments.
Avoid all other apps.
Avoid mutual funds in dmat mode.
If you are really a long-term investor, you are going to set up your investments - one-time. AMC websites are more than enough.
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1. How many funds one is going to invest - 4 or 5?
use the mutual fund website, start a sip. forget.
why need any other app/broker?
2. Avoid checking daily gains or even weekly.
you don't any app to notify you, how much you have made or lost daily.
check once in 6/12 months.
Use official AMC portals for all your investments.
Avoid all other apps.
Avoid mutual funds in dmat mode.
If you are really a long-term investor, you are going to set up your investments - one-time. AMC websites are more than enough.
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SIP - Returns 300%, CAGR is 5.5%, dividends not included.
Investments would have turned +ve after 2013. But, long wait - over 23 years.
There are no guarantees in equity - even if its index funds.
There are many articles in media projecting index + 15% as given. Beware!
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Agree.
But 100% sure, they won't do it.
lot of money involved in these processes. this is a gold-mine. they will not let it go.
The financial sector needs a one-window KYC approach. The current multiple-regulator, multiple-institution and multiple-times way is just citizen harassment.
The government imposes this burden on us, the government must solve it.
My oped in
@htTweets
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Index funds AUM update:
Total equity AUM 31 lakh crores.
Total Passives - 1.1 lakh cr.
HNI - 80k cr.
Retail - 30k cr.
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That's true. Thanks to fintech. Just click and switch. jumping category after category every year.
@IndiaEtfs
Retail has left the index hype train and joined SmallCap hype train. Very serious money movement.
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This is good:
"For the average investor making reasonable money over 10Y in India can actually be done just with three letters: SIP."
Relative who has never invested in equities called me and asked me about investing in a platform which has become popular on Facebook.
Never heard of it but researched to find out it is a suspicious day trading platform. Eventually told the relative they don’t need to trade or
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November NFOs:
2 index fund NFOs from Bandhan & Zerodha - 96 cr. (both funds together).
Zerodha ELSS - 17cr.
Muted response from investors.
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24/7 trading!
The New York Stock Exchange is polling market participants on the merits of trading stocks around the clock as regulators scrutinise an application for the first 24/7 bourse.
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Over last few decades Dalbar has been published its Quantitative Analysis of Investor Behavior report,every year.
Despite SP500 returning 10% returns, the average returns of equity investor is only 6.81%, mainly due to investors' behaviour - switching, chasing past performance
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Thank you
@pratikoswal88
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Jio Finance to enter broking business.
Will you switch from your current broker to Jio if it provides good platform & better pricing?
Yes
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No
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This may be trivial, but just to highlight the advantage ETFs have.
It would be better, if liquidity improves in ETFs and have lower tracking errors.
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Upper circuit at 98.18 (3%), as per NSE.
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NFOs launched during Oct-Dec 2023:
16 Equity schemes - Funds mobilized 11,200 cr.
16 ETFs and IFs - Funds mobilized 500cr.
There is hardly any inflows into passives.
#mutualfunds
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Hangseng Bees inav 244, cmp 255.
4% premium.
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Spot on.
Maybe India is not ready for passive space yet.
@IndiaEtfs
India has gone the Mutual Funds route, as it has become extremely simple to have SIPs in place. ETFs are for countries where MFs platforms and ecosystem is not that intuitive.
India will almost never gain significant volumes in ETFs
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ETFs and IFs right now:
If you are expecting low ER, tracking error & liquidity like US markets, big disappointment.
High ER, big tr differences & ETFs low volumes (except for few); strange things like ETFs trading at 20% over nav.
ETFs & IFs have about 5% of total AUM.
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ETF fund flows in FY23-24:
Inflows much lower than previous years, despite market hitting all-time highs.
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True that!
Hope someone does a Dalbar study for Indian investors.
What is the use of markets doing so well when investors are not staying invested?
#wealthcreation
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@BhaskarAglave
For an industry of 45lakh crores, look at the funds mobilised for 3 months. nothing.
as posted before, investors (especially fintech) are jumping category to category.
2 years before index funds/nasdaq. now they are selling.
inflows into mid/small active funds.
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Blame goes to:
Irresponsible media focusing on trading & traders.
Regulators for not doing enough to regulate finfluencers, option trading- where big wealth is being destroyed.
In Mutual funds, when 50% of the investors' holding period is < 2 yrs, you know how things are bad.
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Few years before, stalwarts like RJ, Damani used to talked about stocks; later SEBI intervened & they totally stopped talking about stocks on TV.
If the experts want to talk about stocks, let them do it with their paid subcribers, why anyone should talk about stocks in public?
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jumping from one category to another, thanks to fintech apps which have made everything easier.
AMFI+AMCs shoud release one such report on investor's returns.
It won't be different from US investors' behaviour.
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@praveenkantala
@businessline
Many things wrong here.
Retail is not buying ETFs; bulk of the inflows of 1.4 lakh crores is from EPFO.
Index funds - has debt category also. of the 85k cr, major portion is debt index funds.
Pl share - how much is retail investing in Equity ETFs and Equity index funds?
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Image from PruIcici.
Check the green line - Mutual Fund flows.
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@vihanjain
Unnecessary costs and issues in dmat. everytime you sell there is dp charges.
you are investing big amount, why trust a broker with your life-time savings?
technical glitches, trust issues are always there.
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@RCxNair
all schemes are benchmarked against TRI.
NTR index is targeted at international investors to get the real returns after tax. (in USD)
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@jatwanisuraj
That's what I expected 4 years ago. people would switch from stocks to etfs.
But huge disappointment.
Retail opens dmat account to buy options/futures, Yesbank, Paytm.
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@VaibhavBedre
Current nav of the ETF is 83. Ideally the price on the exchange should trade around nav.
since fresh investments are not allowed in overseas ETFs and Funds, anyone who wants to invest is paying higher price to buy these etfs.
demand vs no supply
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@nationalstonks
Unnecessary costs and issues in dmat. everytime you sell there is dp charges.
you are investing big amount, why trust a broker with your life-time savings?
technical glitches, trust issues are always there.
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@stocks_in
It happened earlier in 2000 - US tech stocks-boom/bust.
Our markets 2008 infra sector NFOs.
As of now seeing some big inflows in Nikkei - ATH.
ofcourse our markets - now.
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