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BIG NEWS
I just received an email from Nvidia apologizing for the previous email & they've now walked everything back.
This thing has been a roller coaster ride over the past few days. I’d like to thank everyone who supported us, obviously a huge thank you to
@linusgsebastian
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Nvidia have officially decided to ban us from receiving GeForce Founders Edition GPU review samples
Their reasoning is that we are focusing on rasterization instead of ray tracing.
They have said they will revisit this "should your editorial direction change".
More to come
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Nvidia: You don't cover our features and don't see things like we do
Also Nvidia:
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And there are many more of you who deserve a big thank you as well, so thank you, we really appreciate all for you. As for our video, it’s still coming and you can expect that tomorrow.
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Current Gen GPU Recap
RTX 4090 🙂
RTX 4080 💩💩💩
RTX 4070 Ti 💩💩
RTX 4070 🫤
RTX 4060 Ti 8GB 💩💩💩💩
RX 7900 XTX 🫤
RX 7900 XT 💩💩💩
RX 7600 💩💩
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Thank you everyone for the support, while reading comments and stories I realized that I reviewed my first Nvidia GeForce product exactly 20 years ago, the GeForce2 GTS supplied by Nvidia. So, they just ended a 20-year working relationship and for what?
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@Artur_B91
This is a quote from the email they sent today "It is very clear from your community commentary that you do not see things the same way that we, gamers, and the rest of the industry do."
Are we out of touch with gamers or are they?
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Guys, I think this GPU generation might be quite bad
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Okay I'm going to be unavailable for the next 44 minutes and 14 seconds while I catch up on things. Morning everyone.
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Wow
@JayzTwoCents
completely nailed everything in this video. I’m also very impressed with Jay here, we’ve given him a hard time in the past so he has no reason to come to our defence and every reason not to.
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This is amazing🤣
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So the "RTX 4090" for laptops has 40% fewer CUDA cores, is clocked at least 20% lower, has a 33% smaller memory bus and VRAM capacity (and uses GDDR6 instead of 6X) vs the desktop 4090.
So please enlighten me how this is an RTX 4090
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LG demanded editing rights over a review, offered to "compensate" us for the privilege, and admitted this was a plan to stop bad reviews because they hurt sales.
This conduct is disgraceful, unethical, unacceptable and today we are exposing them:
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Bryan Del Rizzo from Nvidia has reached out a second time to apologize and asked us to share this with you.
We appreciate Nvidia reaching out again and looking to resolve this issue with us and the community. We've already accepted their apology and just want to move on now
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YouTube just emailed us to say we've uploaded 5342 minutes of content in 2020... I wonder how much was spent talking about Nvidia features🤔
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This is why supporting independent media is important. Instead of funneling money to rich executives for no return, we can invest heavily in our testing and continually improve our content. Great to see LTT taking a big step to improving independent testing for everyone
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This was posted on our Discord by a member. It gave me a laugh so hopefully it works for you as well.
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The fact that Jay has offered his support in light of that & created this excellent video really does speak to his character. We really appreciate everything Jay has done here & make no mistake he is sticking his neck out for us, the entire review community and you (the consumer)
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Ken Hong, Head of Global Corporate Communications at LG Electronics, called us and we chatted for 15 minutes about yesterday’s video.
As a result, LG will be implementing significant change to how they handle monitor reviews.
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Also, I just wanted to let you know we will be working on a video over the weekend for release early next week where we will share all the details. Again, a big thank you to all the support it really has been insane!
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Sad news guys, GN Steve and I are no longer friends. I just learnt he says JIF, not GIF, so that's a complete deal breaker.... Good video though otherwise.
NVIDIA lost EVGA as a partner and, immediately and like clockwork, every other partner introduced some of the strangest card marketing we've ever seen:
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In 2013, AMD released the Radeon HD 7730. It had a $60 MSRP and supported video encoding.
It's now 2022. AMD is selling you a 6500 XT for $200 without video encoding support.
Embarrassing stuff
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To be clear, this really won't impact our reviews and opinions in any way. We won't start hating Nvidia, this isn't the first time companies have cut us off, and it hasn't affected our thoughts on products previously
Nvidia have officially decided to ban us from receiving GeForce Founders Edition GPU review samples
Their reasoning is that we are focusing on rasterization instead of ray tracing.
They have said they will revisit this "should your editorial direction change".
More to come
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GIVEAWAY! To celebrate the most successful bunch of GPU launches in history, we're giving away one Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080* to a Twitter follower
*drawing on white A4 paper in black Sharpie
All you have to do is reply to this Tweet and we'll pick someone to win!
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RTX 3050 8GB, correct
RTX 3060 12GB, correct
RTX 3060 Ti 8GB, 12GB minimum ideally
RTX 3070 8GB, should be 16GB
RTX 3070 Ti 8GB, should be 16GB
RTX 3080 10GB, should be 20GB
RTX 3080 Ti 12GB, should be 24GB
RTX 3090 24GB, correct
RTX 3090 24GB, correct
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4070 Ti @ 4K Ultra RT, out of memory. 4090 plays at 90 fps!
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Future of PC gaming:
- Developers don't bother optimizing games so they run natively at 10 FPS
- Gamers forced to combine 3 to 4 upscaling techniques to get playable performance
- Heaps of artefacts and blur in motion
- Input lag issues
- Stuttering still an issue
Dear PC devs:
1)Stop putting Denuvo in your games.
2)PLEASE STOP using DLSS as a crutch to help any of your performance problems. A game should not require DLSS to run well.. 😵💫
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We have caught another company attempting to control our editorial direction.
This one is BAD. More to come in our next video
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Origin and the new EA desktop app are so bad I would pay money to rebuy games on another platform and pay again to never have to load, install or use it ever again
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Guys I get it, you can't buy an RTX 3080/3090 and that sucks. But reviewers aren't the problem. We're also trying to do you a solid by testing every model we can (it's a lot of work), we do this so when you can buy one you're armed with as much information as possible.
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So
@ZachsTechTurf
calls us out, then admits he didn't watch our entire 6500 XT review which is pathetic, and then blocks us. GG WP
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You've got to love marketing.
Nvidia 2021 = We do 8K now!
AMD 2021 = We're doing 1080p again!
Nvidia massively overstated what their product could do and AMD foolishly undersold theirs.
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AMD FSR works on Nvidia GPUs including the GTX 1060 which doesn't support DLSS.
That's a significant announcement
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Classic AMD move.
Release GPU at bad price ensuring it gets bad reviews and negative coverage. Make sure everyone's first impression of their launch is bad.
Then lower the price within months to where it should have been, after all the damage has been done
Almost to the price it should have been from the start...
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Just found this circular flat plastic thing inside the box of a brand new monitor from 2020. Anyone know what this is for?
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Good news everyone!
Overnight we were informed that our YouTube channel has been fully restored. You should now see our recent videos in search and sub boxes again.
Thanks everyone for all the support over the last week, having your livelihood threatened is very stressful
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I didn't think Linus was that big of a fan of Teslas...
Hope
@TeamYouTube
sorts it out quickly
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Previous AMD generation: 6900 XT and 6950 XT
New AMD generation: 7900 XT and 7900 XTX
Future AMD generation: 8900 XT, 8900 XTX, 8900 XTXT, 8900 XTXTX and of course the 8900 XTXTXT
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I spent over a week on my RTX 4080 vs 7900 XTX 50+ game benchmark video, and when I say a ‘week’ I mean 7 days, minimum 16 hours per day. It was one of my most successful bench videos of 2022, to-date it’s made me about $6 US per hour for the work that went into it.
The
@YouTube
channel cleanse is underway. This year, any channel which bypasses YouTube ads and does in video ads gets unsubscribed from and blocked.
Creators get paid handsomely from
#youtubepremium
be me just watching at a large monthly cost to me.
Ongoing block list 👇
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GPU pricing is falling off a cliff right now. Locally the "ASUS GeForce RTX 3080 TUF Gaming OC" was $2299 yesterday, today a few retailers have slashed it to $1499 AUD. That's 35% off over night.
(kick in the capacitors if you bought one yesterday)
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I won't be satisfied unless next-gen GPUs are so power hungry they require you to hire an electrician to install a dedicated high-amp power line
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Steve's building a new much bigger studio, here's a peek. Also there's a full behind the scenes video for Hardware Unboxed Members.
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The RTX 2060 attempting ray tracing at 1080p in Cyberpunk
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PC gamers: Wow, Starfield performance really sucks! This is unacceptable...
Also PC gamers: ...but I'll buy it and keep playing it anyway
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It will make it slightly more difficult to review Nvidia GPUs but we still have access to AIB cards and the wonderful support of our Patreon and Floatplane community
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We've got a solution to the 12VHPWR power connector issue:
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A huge breakthrough in physics today as we discover the coldest object ever recorded
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I've officially joined the club, I've now got two cats. So add that to the two cats
@TimSchiesser
has and I believe we're well ahead of
@GamersNexus
. You'll need to up your game now Steve.
#CatsUnboxed
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I've just finished testing 44 GPUs in CoD MW2 (video tomorrow) and there are some interesting results. For example you know the Radeon RX 5700 XT which was meant to fall victim to its 'outdated architecture'? Yeah well it's almost 60% faster than the 2060 Super at 1080p & 1440p.
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We've started a podcast! The very first episode discusses the GN and LTT drama. Get it via our new YouTube channel or your favorite podcast apps (it's slowly being added to them I promise)
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AMD: This GPU will be available on March 18th at $479
Our take: This GPU "will" be """"available"""" on """"""March 18th"""""" for """"""""""""$479""""""""""""
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The RTX 4070 Laptop is so lackluster and boring of an upgrade that we cancelled our content on it half way into testing.
Desktop gamers should pray mid-range desktop GPUs aren't this pathetic relative to previous models, both in performance and specifications
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In fact we have a video covering ray tracing and DLSS in Cyberpunk coming up that's positive about the tech. We aren't going to change anything about that video just because Nvidia has sent us an email
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It's great that YouTube are protecting the mental health of creators by making sure ONLY the creators can see the dislike count.
...wait what?
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Who else is old enough to remember when these were the coolest PC mods going around?
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I have 66 graphs for our first RTX 3080 review, loaded with data. Is that enough? I might have trouble keeping this video under 30 mins.
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Here's a list of some GPUs that had 8GB of VRAM
R9 390 - 2015, $330
R9 390X - 2015, $430
RX 480 - 2016, $240
RX 580 - 2017, $230
RX 590 - 2018 - $280
RX 5500 XT - 2019, $200
RX 5700 - 2019, $350
RX 5700 XT - 2019, $400
GTX 1070 - 2016, $380
RTX 2060 Super - 2019, $400
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2020 has been a crazy year and for us here at Hardware Unboxed it's been mostly good. Can't believe we just hit 700K subs, that's 60% channel growth this year. Thank you to everyone who has supported us along the way!
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You guys won't believe this, nah hear me out right, as crazy as this will sound and I know you're not going to believe me, but as crazy as it sounds and stick with me on this one... the RX 7900 XTX is an RTX 4080 competitor. Insane I know, sorry to blow the covers off that one.
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Nvidia's just trolling us now.
They pronounced "Ti" as both "tie" and "tee eye" within 5 seconds in this latest presentation
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@LinusTech
We appreciate this and largely doesn't jive with our own experiences either. This correspondence with Nvidia came out of the blue and not from the people we usually deal with locally. It's odd and unacceptable so hopefully it will get solved at some point
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At least give it a different name like the good old days. RTX 4090M
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Game launchers that launch other launchers instead of actually getting straight into the game.
Who comes up with these ideas?
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Best Forspoken Steam user review. It sounds like the GTX 1630 of video games.
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For those concerned that Nvidia didn't send us a sample, thank you but we did get one 👍 We just didn't bother unboxing it because you've all seen it and there was nothing extra to show really. Looks amazing though!
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I expect that Intel's Arc GPUs will actually heavily outperform AMD's upcoming Radeon 7000 series (flagship included)...
... on UserBenchmark's website.
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It only just occurred to me that it’s possible there’s someone out there using an NZXT riser cable with a Gigabyte power supply. I just hope they have a really a good home and contents insurance plan
@gamersnexus
.
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Now THIS is what a last minute price cut should look like
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Here's our article covering this year's great value current generation graphics cards:
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Seriously what should I call a cooler that uses liquid almost exclusively to transfer heat away from a source?
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If you bought an RTX 3090 Ti a few months ago when they were $1400 US.... I'm really really sorry, keep your head up and remain positive. 🙏
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This is f'ing ridiculous! are saying HDMI 2.0 devices can be called HDMI 2.1 now because... reasons? Despite not offering any HDMI 2.1 features!?
This is a terrible decision that will be abused by manufacturers and cause tons of confusion
When HDMI 2.1 Isn't HDMI 2.1 - The Confusing World of the Standard, "Fake HDMI 2.1" and Likely Future Abuse
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In 2020, viewers bought 7x more lube than next-gen GPUs through our Amazon links
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One of our proudest achievements is being permanently linked to on UserBenchmark's About Us page after criticizing their terrible ranking system
May we long live in their heads rent free
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Nvidia driver overhead is interesting in this one.
Star Wars Jedi: Survivor
Coruscant - Rooftops, 1080p High
GeForce RTX 4090 = 95 fps
Radeon RX 6800 = 110 fps
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Enough SSD storage for the next five Call of Duty patches
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These videos are EXTREMELY stressful to make. We have opened ourselves wide up to being blacklisted. So thanks to all our Patreon and Floatplane supporters who allow us not to care and just buy their products to test
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A very important reminder as we approach next-gen GPU launches
The RTX 3090 Ti is currently selling for $1000 NOT its original price of $2000
Selling a 2x faster GPU for $2000 represents zero price/performance increase in the current market.
Let's hope for good pricing
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This tweet which was meant to point out a statement we didn't agree with, while also taking a light-hearted jab at the situation (tongue in cheek if you will), doesn't seem like the most dramatic attempt at drama now does it.
Also not a crack at
@GamersNexus
either, just saying.
Ohh no, bit of a big oof moment:
LTT Labs taking shots 😅 I've re-run more benchmarks than Linus has spent $ on testing equipment & staff.
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Laptop makers that pre-install garbage anti-virus bloatware on PCs that have 30-day licenses then proceed to spam you with notifications when it expires...
Get in the bin. This is a TERRIBLE experience for your customers
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A sneak peek at our DLSS 3 content coming in a few days. It does work at times... just don't feed it big changes between frames
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If AMD were smart they wouldn't release a single RDNA 3 GPU priced above $400 US with less than 16GB's of VRAM.
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The Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8GB is laughably bad and you absolutely should not buy it for $400 US
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BTW I just finished the GN video. Tim and I are starting an official podcast this week and we will be discussing the GN video / LTT situation as our first topic, so that should be interesting.
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Gotta feel for console gamers here. Finally they get 60 FPS capable hardware only for developers to lose their minds.
WB Games Montreal has confirmed that Gotham Knights on consoles will run at 30 FPS with no performance/quality mode option
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I'm sure GPU company executives were laughing at reviewers when we were trashing their products/prices and they were selling like hotcakes anyway in 2021
Are they laughing now when stock is sitting on shelves? Plenty more of this to come if releases continue to suck
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Will be hilarious seeing AMD and Nvidia release even more GPU models onto the market and position them as gaming cards, only to have 99% of the very limited stock sold either directly to miners, or to have miners buy them at retail 😢
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After loads of testing I can confirm that the 7800X3D plays Jedi Survivor significantly smoother than almost all other CPUs. It’s likely that the much larger cache is helping to avoid those frequent stutters. It’s a bit disappointing that prominent figures in the industry have…
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@GamersNexus
Oh no, the billion dollar money making machine is sad.
Their executives will have no choice but to wipe their tears away with the millions of dollars in compensation they make each year
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If you're running 'The Last of Us Part I' on ultra (even at 1080p) on an 8GB card and are suffering from major stuttering issues, you'll need to drop down to high or even medium which can still use 8GB's of VRAM. The game is mostly smooth on the RX 6800, I'm testing 'The Woods'…
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A few years later...
@Dachsjaeger
I'm not advocating for people to ignore the 3070 series, I'm merely pointing out that it could be a heavily compromised experience in a few years time when compared to competing products. That seems very reasonable given the specs.
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