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was watching a 1995 cam rip of Toy Story when this jump cut happens out of nowhere and I was done for
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Since the Utopia early demo's contents are old and scrapped, thought I'd share a few things from its development.
For starters, here's a Sonic model animation reel made during its creation (originally 60 fps but twitter won't allow that apparently).
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As one final bonus, here's a small test level in the style of Sleeping Egg Zone (The music is Casiowary by Simon Stålenhag, not related). Remember that everything I've shown in this thread is from very old versions of the project.
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In the 9/03/10 airing of 4Kids' Toonzai block, Sonic the Hedgehog summarizes the beginning of Dragon Ball Z's Saiyan arc.
Sonic has absolutely no understanding of Dragon Ball Z, as demonstrated by his inability to convey the most basic information.
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sonictubers in their ceaseless effort to prove they are incapable of doing anything other than shamelessly exploiting people's work to belch up a never ending deluge of manipulative clickbait content farm sludge
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Recently upon playing the Mecha Sonic boss, I noticed something; he does the drop dash. Then I realized he has analogues to Sonic's barrier moves. That's when I had an epiphany: What if originally Sonic had all of these in his moveset? Mecha Sonic would thus be a mirror battle.
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There is a much thinner line between the classic games and Adventure than many seem to think. Sonic was not haha silly old timey cartoon then suddenly hardcore anime cheese. Classic Sonic was essentially a shonen anime, and Sonic Adventure was just a sharper version of that.
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That's funny. Whenever I made this point, I was accused of dictating enjoyment, or told that fun is entirely subjective, or given some limp assertion that Sonic is supposed to be all about going fast.
Sonic Team studio head Takashi Iizuka on the essence of Sonic, says “just going fast does not make it fun”
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Seeing people/reviews say that the Sonic movie "opted for being widely enjoyable instead of being faithful to the source material". I do not understand this idea that enjoyable and faithful are at odds. That's saying Sonic is not enjoyable and has to be NOT Sonic to be enjoyed.
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guys we can't use sonic's actual design in a movie it would look weird
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A clip showing a test level model. You can see months of test geometry and experiments everywhere. That is just a fraction of it.
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"Iizuka: If it's 100% Sonic-like, only Sonic fans will play it. If you don't include elements that aren't Sonic, people who aren't Sonic fans won't be interested."
Sonic 1 when no one would play it because it only appealed to Sonic fans who didn't exist:
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me: Flicky is the main character of the Sonic series
idiots: what no he's not
me: ahem
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They somehow even arrived at the same theory I did that South Island was once home to a bird civilization. The owl and echidna tribe being on South Island confused viewers but these things actually tie into the lore incredibly well. I hope this is more than amazing coincidence.
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I intend to make a big thread addressing some arguments. Ones I've been having, and in wider Sonic discourse, some a long time coming. Would anyone like to hear it? I welcome any responses or attempts to refute my points too. I want to make this more of a talk and less an attack.
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here's a leak of fighters pass 2 shhh don't tell anyone
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Thank you all for being patient with us as we quietly continue our work. The project is far beyond anything you've seen. It has been a journey and we're looking forward to the day we can share it with the world. 🐦
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Measuring a video game's value in linear time, such as "80 hours long". This is such an insane metric of game value that wreaks havoc on how games are understood and how they're produced. It's like measuring the value of food by the size of the plate it sits upon.
What are some of the worst issues plaguing modern day gaming?
I wanna make a video about it, but I'd like to get some outside perspectives.
Be sure to retweet so we can get a lot of answers!
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At one point, I tested part of Kingdom Valley in the engine. We were surprised at how well the level design already worked, as if it was made for an engine like this, even down to Utopia's specific movement. Or maybe my designs were lining up with theirs as I progressed?
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By our estimation based on the engine, tools and workflow we've built, we believe we can complete Sonic Utopia in 2019. This is what we've been working towards. Happy new year. 🐦
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Would NFTs have their way, this image would not be all yours my friend. This really funny banana image represents our freedom. It is the anti-NFT.
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A game is as rich as the sum of its potential interactions. Good games tend to have emergent properties that give the player creative freedom to solve it. This was a strength in Sonic's approach to platforming that made it unique, and it now has far less, in some ways opposite.
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people watching clickbait journos and youtubers who barely know anything about Sonic or Sega that regurgitate vague and mindless opinions and speculation about the nature of the Sonic franchise and its future
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Early model/visual tests (yes that is Spyro's Artisans in the background, was used in very early engine testing), object lineup, monitor.
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Some have noticed South Island was depicted. It's frustrating and disheartening that fans rarely even know about South Island, it should be common knowledge. The movie had already impressed me with this, because it was a sign they researched Sonic much deeper than the surface.
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A few months into 2017 and you can see my test models piling up. Some things like this section were made for Beryl Palace Zone.
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For those wondering about Sonic Utopia, we've taken our time with technical preparation, but it's all coming together. Please bear with us as we'll have a lot to share in the coming months!
(concept art by
@tripplejaz
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Earliest renders of the Sonic model. Also an unused render for the manual that shows Sonic on banked terrain.
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Even if made perfectly, the boost games still strip Sonic of gameplay. This isn't mere opinion, they are objectively, functionally less. They remove movement properties, turn variables into binary choices, and rob players of agency. The differences are not an equal tradeoff.
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Here's a concept sketch of Pocky vs the finished model. I sought to update the design to more closely follow suite with the late 90s anime/Saturn era and make it more low poly friendly.
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"Who cares." "It's for kids." "It's just a corporate mascot." What kind of fan says this? Sonic was thoughtfully crafted by passionate creators. They did not see Sonic as a cynical brand. Only Sega did. The creators cared, and deeply. They had a vision and put their all into it.
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Unfinished/unused models for batabata and the totems. The totems would've been breakable objects that smash apart into their individual pieces.
@pics_pixels
drew the totem's face textures.
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Hill Top Zone has a history of cursed midi renditions. However, I recently unearthed a pack of midis I had in 2001, and within found the granddaddy of them all, a midi created in 1997 that is apparently supposed to be Hill Top Zone.
Feast your ears on son2hill[1].mid
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Rather than a ramp, the path leading into this hole was originally going to lead into an underground Marble Zone section similar to the Labyrinth Zone section. The hole would've been gated off requiring use of paths leading up to it to find and access.
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Sonic Adventure did not randomly conjure a story, or suddenly decide the characters can talk, or have humans pop into Sonic's world. It is not a reboot. It is another episode in the story they had been telling all along, only now directly presented in the game.
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Not many fans even know about this source material, and the localizations and adaptations have endlessly confused the concept and canon. However, translations of the manuals and other material are easily accessible if you actually look for them. Yes, Sonic had a true canon.
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First I need to establish something important:
THE ORIGINAL SONIC GAMES HAD A STORY
It is often believed Sonic originally had no story and that the characters were mute. This is not true. Everything seen in game was an expression of a more comprehensive vision Sonic Team had.
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Layout sketch of the level. The overall shape is a render of the actual model in its early form. The sketching shows pathways and nodes making a general structure where I would later improvise the details. A lot was cut and rushed for the SAGE deadline.
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A model for Beryl Palace Zone, belfries that would be found atop buildings. Features like these could be used in all sorts of ways.
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Some engine testing in a new scene made shortly after the demo. Includes the ball model and spin dash animation.
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Speaking of the gem cavern, you may notice in the corner behind that invincible monitor is a suspicious rock formation. There was going to be another tunnel there leading to other rooms. The modeling was actually partially finished, the rock was placed there to close it off.
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When people say pinball physics are not important in Sonic:
"Who cares about suit powers and exploration in Metroid, I only care if the games are fun."
>Nintendo releases Metroid Bejeweled
>fans are upset
"Why do people hate this it's a fun game people just can't accept change."
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I've had a lurking suspicion lately that Sonic Heroes was a very different game at some point in development. The more I think about it, the more it seems to make sense that Sonic Heroes was meant to be an RPG, or perhaps some hybrid. Consider the following in this thread.
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Even Sonic 1 had a story. They had a plan that included cutscenes in the game which were scrapped only due to constraints. So for the original games, they told some of the story in the next best place they could: the instruction manuals.
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I get the impression the intro was the movie the creatives wanted to make and they were forced to make it a generic buddy cop flick and those few minutes were all of the runtime they got. If there is a sequel, I really hope it's a lot more of that.
Also more Longclaw please.
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In the secret upper area above the gem cavern, there was going to be a cave cutting through the mountains leading into another large cavernous area, this one designed as the mountain interior. It would've been a shortcut leading to the other side of the level.
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