There will be another public meeting in about four months as a sort of close to this period. Comments can be submitted online https://t.co/fVRVO1g7jD email: phillyrefinerycleanup@ghd.com or by mail.

Ooh, they're addressing the question of contaminants migrating from the Hilco/PES refinery site to a drinking aquifer in NJ. Basically say it's not a big worry to them but they're keeping an eye on it. (This is our 9 p.m. level summary)

Not sure if anyone, presenter or public, is fully able to follow fast-paced questions about fate and transport of contaminants at this 9 p.m. hour...

Question: what are the risk pathways you've looked into and how do you plan to control them? Mostly: (missed first bit) vapor + new buildings will have vapor control, soil on PES refinery site will be covered with buildings and parking lots when Hilco is done

Evergreen says they're open to suggestions for better future public meetings...

Someone suggested Evergreen post "living documents" on their website, as in documents that are updated as findings come in. Evergreen's prez says he doesn't understand what that is. It's a good idea, though!

Losing your patience and getting snippy while hosting a public meeting shows an adversarial view of the public and therefore a total lack of respect for public involvement.

Q&A is now reviewing the questions about sea level rise, increasing storms, groundwater changes. Evergreen says sea-level will be considered. One of their reps is salty that people are asking information that was "addressed" in "the attempted meeting" and online.

For example, Hilco's change of use requires better remediation than was planned, and it's in Hilco's interests as the owner and user to end up with a fairly clean final site, like having a seller repair a house before you buy. It was in Energy Transfer's interests to save money.

There's an interesting dynamic that's obvious in the Q&A responses. When Evergreen was created, it was by and for Energy Transfer, the source of most of the pollution & owner of the refinery. Now Evergreen has a new boss and presumably different interests are at play.

Evergreen's response of companies that do not inherently value the public's voice or interest and see public concerns as a challenge to fight. Don't forget that Evergreen is sub-company of Energy Transfer, the former owner of the refinery.

Evergreen blames the issues with this process on PA DEP's Act 2 process. "Your perception of what public involvement is within Act 2 is very different from Evergreen's .... kick this question to the Pennsylvania DEP."

Questions Evergreen is supposed to try to address about the PES refining site in the next 15 minutes include creating a community advisory group, lead standard, remediation of soil, destination of remediation waste, climate change impacts, drinking water connections...

These are the next steps D-: Q&A just started for Evergreen's cleanup of the Philly Hilco site. They offered to extend the meeting till 9. 2.5-hour "public meeting" with a 15-minute Q&A to address at least 30 detailed questions.

It's 8:10, meeting started at 6:30, and we still haven't gotten to the many many questions in the Q&A. Right now, they're talking about the different remediation systems in place, which seem to all be for water and vapor.

There is benzene contamination in various areas and from a plume. Evergreen portrays the benzene plume as flowing onto the site from offsite, but that's been a subject of long scientific and legal debate, not mentioned tonight so far.

@KleinmanEnergy Lots of very small maps of the lead presence in soil. Evergreen is using a site-specific standard of 2,240 ppm for lead, approved by PA DEP when the refinery was going to stay in operation. State health standard is 1,000. Haven't said if that will change now.

@KleinmanEnergy Interesting stuff on the geology and water tables under the PES refinery. People are asking about changes from sea level rise/climate change, runoff, contamination beyond site boundaries, impacts to drinking water aquifers--not much detail on that yet.

@KleinmanEnergy There are supposed to be public comment opportunities at each future step of the remediation planning process, though unclear how the information for them will be presented.

@KleinmanEnergy Pretty key info: these are the regulations Evergreen says apply to the PES refining complex site remediation.