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Ummm ... Shaq was doing this to David who was 7"1 250-260.
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Wilt Chamberlain is the most physically gifted ball player ever. No contest. 7"1 without shoes, 7"8 wingspan, 4.6 timed 40 yard, 275-290 during prime, 11.5" huge hands, probably the strongest NBA player of all time, track & field athlete, 40-45 inch vertical, amazing endurance.
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▪︎ Gilbert Arenas: "Barkley at 6"6 ain't dominating the 2000s"
▪︎ Charles Barkley (age 34-37) 1997-2000 stats vs Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett & Chris Webber (19 games):
- 16.9 PPG • 11.8 RPG • 3.4 APG
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There is this myth that Magic Johnson was "old" in 1991. Magic was only 31, finished 2nd in MVP voting. Statically had the 4th best season of his career. Upset the favored 63 win Blazers. Magic also had the 2nd highest scoring playoff run with 21.8 PPG. He was washed though.
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- "MJ won his 1st playoff series because of Pippen"
- Can we say LeBron didn't make the playoffs until 2006 because of Larry Hughes?
- Scottie Pippen 1987-88:
7.9 PPG • 3.8 RPG • 2.1 APG • 1.2 SPG
- Larry Hughes 2005-06:
15.5 PPG • 4.5 RPG • 3.6 APG • 1.5 SPG
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Mark Price is averaging 25+ PPG today. Bron stans love to downplay him based on his appearance. Price is 6'0" 180 lbs. Trae Young is 6'1" 164 lbs & averages 27.4 PPG the last 4 seasons & isn't as fast or quick as prime Mark Price. Price was better defensively than Trae as well.
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- Ja Morant:
6"3
6"7 wingspan
174 lbs
Not an elite defender
- Gary Payton
6"4
6"8 wingspan
190 lbs
All-time great defender
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Michael Jordan gets the steal & finishes with the NASTY tomahawk poster on Patrick Ewing during the 1986-87 season.
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Dave Cowens posterizes Al Henry with the slam on March 17, 1972. Aren't 1970s players supposed to be unathletic?
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- J.J. Reddick: "Kyrie would be looked at as a Wizard if he played in the 60s/70s"
- This was a common carry in 1976. Players today don't know how much freedom they have
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- Gen Z putzes: "James Harden would average 50 in the unskilled 80s".
- Meanwhile, his signature euro is considered a travel back in the 80s.
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Bron stans are desperate. They are trying to say MJ had no left hand. He is one of the best ever at using his off hand. The amount of tape of MJ using his left hand isn't enough for them, even though they can't produce the same amount of tape from modern stars using their left
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Pretty sure he played him in the 1991 Finals. That guy averaged 31 and 11 in the series too
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▪︎ J.J. Redick: "Kareem was a one note wonder"
▪︎ Redick just shows how he never watched Kareem outside of the late 80s when was in his early 40s. Kareem on the Bucks was slashing to the rim, hitting mid range shots, fadeaways, finger rolls. He was also an athletic freak
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Alex English is the most underrated star of the 1980s. Others have a case, but English played the entire decade at an elite level with no major injuries & yet is never brought up. From 1980-1989 he averaged 26.9 PPG, 5.7 RPG, 4.6 APG, 1.1 SPG on 51.1 FG%. Deserves more respect.
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▪︎ Michael Jordan drains 6 threes vs the Knicks during game 4 of the 1993 East Finals
▪︎ In the 1992-93 season, MJ had leg injuries which made it harder to drive to the basket. Worked on his 3 to compensate & shot 35.2% on 2.9 attempts. MJ could shoot the 3 if he wanted to
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Michael Jordan at 38 scores 25 & gets the W against the 2001-02 Kings (best record in the West). This is also when MJ injured his knee & was never the same. Was averaging 25, 5 & 5 before this & the Wizards were 5th in the East & a top 5 defense in the entire league
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Adrian Dantley is probably the most underrated scorer of all time. The man averaged 29.6 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 3.7 APG & 1.1 SPG on 56.2 FG% from 1979-1986. Adrian was the iso scorer king & had a sweet low post game for a 6"5 player. Shame he is rarely mentioned.
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Moses Malone looking like a 6"10 260 Kyrie Irving during game 3 of the 1983 East Semifinals.
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▪︎Scottie Pippen: " Michael Jordan was a horrible player before I joined the Bulls"
▪︎MJ stats 1984-1987:
- RS: 31.7 PPG • 5.6 RPG • 5 APG
2.6 SPG • 49.3%
- Playoffs: 35.5 PPG • 6.9 APG
6.3 RPG • 2.4 SPG • 45.5%
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So Zaza Pachulia can start on a 2017 Warriors championship team but Laimbeer who was Zaza with a 3pt shot, post skills and better rebounding cannot even play today? What a clown.
“80s cannot compete with 90s, 2000s, and now. It is a pointless argument. Bill Laimbeer cannot play basketball today, his defense does not work today.”
- Gilbert Arenas 🗣️👀
Thoughts? 🤔
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▪︎ Bron Stans: "We swear Magic Johnson was old in 1991"
▪︎ Magic Johnson 1989 Playoffs:
18.4 PPG • 5.9 RPG • 11.8 APG
1.9 SPG • 60.9 TS%
▪︎ Magic Johnson 1991 Playoffs:
21.8 PPG • 8.1 RPG • 12.6 APG
1.2 SPG • 59.8 TS%
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"Giannis & Harden would destroy the unskilled 80s."
Meanwhile, this simple eurostep was considered a travel in the 80s. People have to do more research on the different rules that existed in prior eras.
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He conveniently left out the fact that Toni Kukoč, Luc Longley, Steve Kerr, Bill Wennington were also added. Still had Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, B.J. Armstrong, John Paxson, Scott Williams & Bill Cartwright. Would have been the deepest Bulls team in history if MJ was on it.
The Bulls replaced MJ with this guy and still won 55 games.
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▪︎ "Jeff Hornacek is proof the 90s was weak. Wouldn't play in the 2000s"
▪︎ Kirk Hinrich played from 2003-16, was 6'4" 190 like Hornacek & wasn't a great athlete. Yet, stars like Dwyane Wade said he was one of the toughest defenders he ever faced. Both very good players.
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ENOUGH SAID.
- 2001-02 MJ pre injury stats (46 games):
25.1 PPG • 6.2 RPG • 5.3 APG
1.5 SPG • 0.5 BPG
- Wizards were a 3rd seed at Allstar break & a top 5 defensive team in the entire leauge. Post injury, team fell out of the playoffs & fell to the bottom 10 defensively.
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Never forget a 90s player was arguably the best perimeter defender of the 2000s. Bruce Bowen wasn't good enough to stay on a 90s roster. Was 28 by the time the 90s ended. Bowen was ages 29-36 when he made 8 All-Defense teams in the "superior" 2000s & wasn't an elite athlete
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- "Kevin McHale couldn't play today. Too unathletic & goofy"
- McHale in the Finals against Hakeem Olajuwon & 7"4 Ralph Sampson averaged 25.8 PPG on 57.3%. Both of those guys were athletic freaks along with being 2 of the most talented bigmen of all time. McHale dominates today.
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What a garbage post. By this posts logic, the 2001 Lakers aren't shit. Neither are the 1987 Lakers or 1996 Bulls or the 2013 Heat for that matter. These Bronsexuals shoot themselves in the foot so much it's hilarious. Also, the 1998 Jazz SWEPT that Lakers team with 4 Allstars.
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I sent him this. My prediction is he won't respond as usual
But they keep telling me LeBron isn't CLUTCH in the Finals.
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The biggest myth about Magic Johnson is that he couldn't shoot. He was a career 85% free throw shooter. He became an above average mid range shooter & had a season of shooting 38.4% from 3 on 3.5 attempts in the 1990-91 season.
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▪︎ MJ Haters: "MJ beat an old Pistons team in 1991"
▪︎ Somehow, 30 year old DPOY Dennis Rodman was part of the old Pistons, but he found the fountain of youth when he joined the Bulls in 1995 at age 34. These same people claim he had all the good players on his team
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Michael Jordan at 38 torches Shawn Marion for 41 points (January 26, 2002)
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▪︎ Bill Laimbeer: "MJ didn't beat us because he didn't trust his teammates like LeBron"
▪︎ 1990 Bulls Game 7 vs Pistons:
- Jordan: 31 pts (13/27)
- Grant: 10 pts (3/17)
- Hodges: 8 pts (3/13)
- Cartwright: 6 pts (3/9)
- Pippen: 2 pts (1/10)
- Armstrong: 2 pts (1/8)
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Reggie Miller at age 36 in the 2001-02 season, averaged 17.0 PPG on 59.4 TS% when playing against a top 10 defense (37 games). I thought 90s guys couldn't handle zone defense though?
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Rony Seikaly (6'11" Lebanon center) gets no recognition as the first NBA player of Middle Eastern descent. Despite being a very good player. Averaged 15.7 PPG, 10.2 RPG & 1.4 BPG from 1989-1997. Had a smooth post game, was a decent athlete & had a reliable outside shot.
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- MJ hater logic: "Jeff Hornacek & Danny Ainge prove that era was weak".
- Kirk Hinrich & J.J. Reddick exist in the 2000s/2010s: *crickets
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▪︎ Bron Stans: Show clip of MJ being crossed by HOF SG all time great ball handler Allen Iverson. Think this is proof he couldn't guard anybody today
▪︎ Bron Stans: Pretend Bron didn't get crossed by unathletic non ball handler JJ Reddick
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▪︎ Charles Barkley out of his prime cooking Tim Duncan compilation
▪︎ "90s guys can't compete against evolved 2000s guys"
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Tim Hardaway Sr. crosses Jason Kidd & gets the bucket. "1990s can't compete with 2000s" (November 18, 1995)
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- "Wilt faced weak competition."
- Wilt Chamberlain in the 1965-66 season faced Bill Russell 14x, Willis Reed 10x, Nate Thurmond 10x & Walt Bellamy 10x. Nikola Jokić the past THREE seasons has faced Joel Embiid 3x, Karl-Anthony Towns 7x & Bam Adebayo 6x.
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Mitch Richmond is the most underrated SG of the 1990s. Averaged 23.1 PPG, 4.3 RPG, 3.9 APG, 1.3 SPG on 46.3 FG%. Was a very good defensive player too. A great shooter also, for his career shot 39.9% from 3 on 3.7 attempts. Was a better version of Devin Booker in his prime.
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This type of play happens multiple times every game now without being called for carrying. Players today are allowed to even put their hands completely under the ball when dribbling. B.J. Armstrong even pointed this out when talking about how much advantage the offense has today
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▪︎It's a FACT that MJ was getting better in the 2001-02 season
- Before injury (46 games):
25.1 PPG • 6.2 RPG • 5.3 APG
L42.1 FG%
- 20 gms leading up to injury:
27.5 PPG • 6.4 RPG • 5.2 APG
44.2 FG%
- 10 gms leading up to injury:
29.7 PPG • 6.6 RPG • 6.1 APG
47.2 FG%
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Larry Bird's last season in 1991-92 is slept on. At age 35 with a ton of mileage, a bad back & after an achilles injury, he still put up 20.2 PPG, 9.6 RPG & 6.8 APG on a 51 win team. While going up against players similarly athletic to today. Bird easily dominates today's NBA.
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▪︎ J.J. Redick: "If I need a good 3PT shooter who could play multiple positions, I'm taking Scottie Pippen"
▪︎ MJ 3P% Playoffs 85-93, 98:
99/287 (34.5%)
▪︎ Pippen 3P% Playoffs 88-94, 98-03:
117/404 (29.0%)
▪︎ If Pippen was a good 3PT shooter, then MJ was Curry
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Latrell Sprewell torches the Sixers for 38 points during the 1996-97 season. Sprewell is a top 2 SG in today's game.
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▪︎ "MJ had all the help. His teams were way more talented than his Finals opponents"
▪︎ Here are the Bulls & Blazers players best seasons within 3 years of 1992. The Blazers had a way more talented team from top to bottom. MJ was the separator
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▪︎ 90s enforcers like Charles Oakley are accused by guys like Kendrick Perkins as unskilled foulers.
▪︎ Oakley shooting 1996-2004:
- % of shots attempted 16 feet to inside 3PT line: 61.6%
- 16 feet to inside 3PT line %: 43.2%
- FT% 1996-2004: 81.5%
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▪︎ "MJ made the playoffs with only 30 wins. East was weak"
▪︎ Bottom playoff teams in the 80s had low wins because there were 7 less teams. They had to face the top teams more often. Bulls faced the Celtics 6X, the Bucks 6X & the Sixers 5X in the 1984-85 regular season alone
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Joe Bryant elevates for the poster slam against Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on October 12, 1979
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Danny Ainge is the worst kind of guy to call a plumber. He is the ONLY American high school athlete in history to make the All-American team for basketball, football & baseball. Was fast as hell. His black teammates called him a "white black guy."
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▪︎ Wilt Chamberlain scored 73 points against Walt Bellamy in 1962. Plumber? Nope. 6'11" 250 lb HOF center who averaged 23.3 PPG & 15.0 RPG from 1961-1969
- Walt Bellamy (age 30-34 & overweight) from 1970-1974 faced Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 20 times & averaged 18.3 PPG & 13.4 RPG
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Penny Hardaway with the SICK half spin stepback move against Keith Askins during the 1996-97 season.
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Let me try to understand the narrative. So MJ played against guys who wouldn't make a roster today? Bryon Russell played until 2005-06 (LeBron's 3rd season). If Russell was able to stay in the league, why didn't LeBron average like 40 PPG since it was presumably a weak league?
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▪︎ "John Stockton couldn't compete against 2000s athletes. MJ faced weak competition"
▪︎ John Stockton (age 37-40) stats vs 1999-2002 Shaq & Kobe Lakers (12 games):
- 15.2 PPG • 8.5 APG • 1.8 SPG • 61.1 TS%
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▪︎ Gilbert Arenas:
"Bill Russell was hustling against white folks"
▪︎ Bill Russell from 1959-1969 averaged 22.6 RPG. When he faced HOF black centers like Wilt Chamberlain, Willis Reed, Nate Thurmond or Walt Bellamy, he averaged 21.8 RPG in 265 games. Seems Gilbert is lying.
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- "MJ wouldn't be able to adapt to today's style of play, he was a horrible 3pt shooter."
- MJ's 3pt percentage increased with volume. From 1984-2003 he attempted more than three 3s 99 times (not including shortened 3pt line seasons). In those 99 games he shot 194-515 (37.7%).
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- Gilbert Arenas: "Gary Payton is too small to succeed today."
- Also Arenas: "Jason Kidd was my toughest matchup defensively."
- 31-34 year old Gary Payton stats vs prime Jason Kidd 2000-2003 (12 games):
19.8 PPG • 6.7 APG • 6.3 RPG
1.8 SPG
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LeBron shoots 35% from outside 3 feet for his career in the playoffs. LeBron can have games where he gets hot from mid range but let's not pretend he is a good mid range shooter. Because he's not.
Two minutes of Miami Bron midrange jumpers. A thing of beauty.
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Richard Dumas is the most forgotten what if of the 1990s. 6"7 & a 7"4 wingspan. Shifty around the basket, good mid range shooter, athletic freak, good defender. 15.8 PPG as the 4th option on a 62 win Suns Finals team. Star potential. Drugs ruined his career quick unfortunately.
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▪︎ Chris Mullin with the sick behind the back crossover move to the basket
- "Chris Mullin couldn't handle the ball though"
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Michael Jordan with the nice hesi move & then POSTERIZES Glenn Robinson during the 1997-98 season
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- Gilbert Arenas: "Pippen & Rodman at 6"7 210 are little guards today."
- Pippen was 225 in his prime & was 6"8, Rodman was 220 in his prime.
- Average 1992 SG:
Height: 6"4.9
Weight: 203 lbs
- Average 2022 SG:
Height: 6"4.5
Weight: 200 lbs
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▪︎ Gilbert Arenas: "90s guys couldn't compete with Grant Hill"
▪︎ Footage: Clyde Drexler at 35 years old holds Grant Hill to 16 points on only 5 of 17 shooting on February 19, 1998.
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Larry Bird torches Dennis Rodman & the Pistons for 33 points during the 1989-90 season (Mar. 30)
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▪︎ "Penny Hardaway wasn't that good. Kyrie Irving has better stats."
▪︎ It's easier to score now & he had to share the ball with Shaq.
▪︎ Penny Hardaway 1995-96 stats when Shaq was out with injury (28 games):
- 25.5 PPG • 6.4 APG • 4.9 RPG • 2.0 SPG • 50.8 FG%
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Bernard King has the most underrated comeback of all time. After only playing 6 games in 2 seasons due to an ACL tear in 1985, he slowly worked his way back to his old self. Averaged 17.2 PPG his first season with the Bullets in 1987-88, then 28.4 PPG, 5 & 5 on 47.2% in 1990-91.
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6"10 Derrick Coleman showing his guard skills with this SICK one hand no look bullet pass to Sam Bowie during the 1992-93 season.
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▪︎"Kevin Durant is easily a better shooter than Larry Bird"
- Larry Bird when attempting 5+ 3PT shots for career (96 times):
42.9% (247 out of 576)
- Kevin Durant when attempting 5+ 3PT past 2 seasons (65 times):
38.7% (184 out of 475)
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People saying Damian Lillard is better than Clyde Drexler is crazy. Drexler led his team to 2 Finals in the tough West. Lillard is only better at scoring & ball handling. Drexler was a way better defender, passer, rebounder for his position, finisher & leader. More clutch too.
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▪︎Bron stans: Show clip of MJ getting crossed by Allen Iverson (HOFer, top 10 SG, one of the best ball handlers of all time) to prove he's overrated defensively
▪︎Also Bron stans: Don't show clip of Bron getting crossed by Eric Gordon, JJ Reddick & Jeremy Lin
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Latrell Sprewell could have been an all time great. 2nd most talented SG of the 90s. Averaged 21.2 PPG, 4.9 APG, 4.5 RPG & 1.8 SPG from 1993-98. Elite defender & finisher, good midrange shooter, decent 3pt shooter, explosive & had handles. Unfortunately had off court issues.
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- Generation B in 2052: "Giannis was only so good because he played against Walmart employees. That weak cross ain't working today"
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- Al Harrington: "I would bust Willis Reed's a**".
- Willis Reed from 1969-1971 (14 games) averaged 25.4 PPG & 11.0 RPG against Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Guess Harrington thinks he would bea Kareem too right?
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▪︎ MJ in games 4-6 of the 1996 Finals was getting double & triple teamed while having zero help offensively
▪︎ Games 4-6:
- Pippen: 13.3 PPG on 36.2 TS%
- Kukoč: 11.7 PPG on 50.5 TS%
- Longley: 11.7 PPG on 80.0 TS%
- Kerr: 6.3 PPG on 53.8 TS%
- Harper: 4.0 PPG on 37.7 TS%
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▪︎ Had many people tell me "Klay is a top 5 SG over Drexler"
▪︎ Drexler 90'/92'/95' Finals stats (15 games):
- 24.5 PPG • 8.3 RPG • 6.0 APG
1.4 SPG • 56.0 TS%
▪︎ Klay 15'/16'/19' Finals stats (18 games):
- 20.1 PPG • 3.9 RPG • 1.9 APG
0.7 SPG • 56.9 TS%
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MJ at his peak is too big & too fundamentally sound for Ja to handle. MJ would drive by him, post him up & pull up in his face all day. Older MJ has a 40-50 pound advantage & had mastered the fundamentals. Ja isn't a good defender or that good of a shooter to top it all off.
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Alonzo Mourning from 2005 to 2007 started 66 games for the Heat. In those games he averaged a crazy 3.5 BPG. Was 35-37 years old during that stretch. An old Alonzo was arguably the best shot blocker in the league in the mid 2000s. Yet MJ haters say he faced plumbers.
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▪︎ MJ haters: "Media pretends MJ was perfect"
▪︎ Media: Keeps pushing the complete myth that Pippen guarded Magic most of the 1991 Finals
▪︎ Reality: Pippen only guarded Magic for game 2 (MJ was in foul trouble), 2nd & 3rd quarters of game 3 & the last 4 minutes of game 4
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▪︎ People claim prime Harden was a better rebounder than prime MJ. Guards today average more RPG because of missed long shots off of 3PT attempts
- MJ with the Wizards averaged 5.9 RPG
- MJ with the Wizards averaged 7.9 RPG when the opponent attempted 20+ 3PT shots (28 games)
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▪︎ Bron stans say the Bulls would lose to the Rockets, implying they were good competition. While also calling the Sonics weak, who beat the Rockets in 7 in '93 & swept them in '96. Suns took them to 7 in '94 & '95. Jazz took them to a deciding game in '95 & beat them in '97.
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Now Isiah Thomas is saying MJ had no left hand LMAO. MJ is one of the best I've ever seen at finishing with his off hand.
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▪︎ If MJ faced lesser players, you would think Kobe could have shut down a 34 year old Reggie Miller
▪︎ Miller 1998 ECF stats:
17.4 PPG • 1.6 RPG • 2.0 APG
1.0 SPG • 58.7 TS%
▪︎ Miller 2000 Finals stats:
24.3 PPG • 2.7 RPG • 3.7 APG
0.8 SPG • 58.8 TS%
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▪︎ This is MJ's worst offensive Finals by far by the way. The 1996 Finals was also played at a very slow pace of 83.5. While his teammates were horrible offensively. The GOAT
- MJ 1996: 27.3 PPG on 53.8 TS%
- Bron 2013: 25.8 PPG on 52.9 TS%
- Dirk 2011: 26.0 PPG on 53.7 TS%
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I love how people try and use number of 20+ PPG scorers to "prove" the NBA is way more talented now. By that logic, the NBA was much more talented in 1993 (21 20+ PPG scorers) than in 2013 (11 20+ PPG scorers). People really need to think about the arguments they present.
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▪︎ "MJ couldn't handle the ball like Anthony Edwards"
▪︎ Wrong. MJ simply didn't need to hesi all the time to get to his shot
▪︎ Only thing Edwards does is put the ball between his legs a few times more per possession
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This is a perfect example of Larry Bird's sneaky quickness & skill. This works in any era. He was doing this every game.
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Shaquille O'Neal dunk attempt gets stuffed by 39 year old Robert Parish on January 29, 1993.
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Grant Hill would be putting up Luka numbers today while being a better defender. It's easier for perimeter players to grab rebounds
- Hill 1997-2000 averaged 7.2 RPG
- Hill 1997-2000 averaged 8.2 RPG when the opposing team attempted 20+ 3PT shots (33 games)
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An even older version of this Jazz team won 55 games in 2000. Guess Shaq and Kobes era was weak too.
In the 1998 NBA Finals, the 2nd leading scorer on the Utah Jazz was Jeff Hornacek...who averaged 10.7 ppg while shooting 41% from the field😂
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Gen Z: "Bigmen back then couldn't adapt to the 3pt line today."
- Here is Jack Sikma. 1980-1988 he shot 10.3% from 3 on 0.1 attempts per game. However, in his last 3 season from 1989-1991 he shot 35.6% from 3 on 2.4 attempts per game. Evolution is real, but so is adaptation.
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