I think one of the most uninteresting objections to Christianity is on the logical coherence of the Trinity.
Looking at this diagram (which is nearly a millennium old) for 4 seconds tells you the "is" is non-transitive: one sense is personhood and one sense is being.
Scientists don't need philosophers or to understand philosophy to "do science." The trouble comes when scientists start making philosophical claims without realizing it (or caring), which happens frequently because scientists often don't know the limits of science
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Of course by some definition, both cases *do* need it. It's implicit in everything they do. But what they don't need is to delve deep into philosophy to understand what they need to understand, and they certainly don't need philosophers telling them that they don't understand...
Someone posted this to illustrate that there are many arguments for theism.
Do you really need that many arguments for theism? If there is an all-powerful god, do people have to write so much to prove it??
Atheism doesn't need that. Just let people learn about human nature.
Scientists live in the black box of "science." Philosophers see the edges and limits of science better than scientists, and scientists know what's happening in the box much better than philosophers.
Teamwork is necessary.
ngl, this kind of attitude bugs me a lot.
Scientists are absolutely the ones that understand science and the "evidential support it provides". That's the whole point.
Do scientists need philosophy to advance scientific knowledge? Not in normal science. (Though interestingly during paradigm shifts they may face their philosophical assumptions explicitly).
Do scientists need philosophy to make claims about fundamental reality? Absolutely.
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Amazing. Dissecting a human doesn't reveal human rights hiddens ANYWHERE in the organs, bloodstream, etc. Therefore, they are "just stories" (aka are not 'real'?). Fascinating
@SRevelare
As if religious people don't apply critical thinking to their religious belief? And publish thousands of academic papers and books assessing e.g. arguments and evidence for and against God's existence?
They don't teach you that in a STEM phd, thats for sure
"Evil is the absence of good" (or the absence of God) is the worst response to the PoE because it is in fact not a response at all.
Whatever evil is, there is a bunch of it in the world, and we would expect an all-good, all-loving God to prevent evil as far as God is able.
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@elonconomy
Sounds pretty uninteresting. Scientists are perfectly capable of *learning* philosophy. I agree it's easier for a scientist to learn philosophy than vice versa. But unfortunately, they don't, they think they have it all figured out anyway, and make absurd claims and arguments
This isn't how (the best) fine-tuning arguments work. There is no sneaking in anything. Virtually everyone agrees that infinite flat probability spaces are bad and render probability meaningless.
In reality, there are physically motivated bounds to the probability space
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Ok I'm losing my mind here because to me "Fine-Tuning" is such an obvious slight of hand with probability language but others don't seem to see it.
So I'm making a thread on why ALL the numbers below (and ANY constant with the phrase "1 part In X") are meaningless. 🧵
Sure, working out the exact metaphysics of the Trinity is difficult. That's hardly a surprise. It follows from the more general principle that metaphysics is difficult, and we should expect that the metaphysics of God would be even more difficult than the metaphysics of people.
It's incredibly uninteresting that philosophy doesn't help scientists run experiments or publish papers. I don't need my hand held in the lab by a philosopher.
So what? They're different disciplines. What's the diff b/w science & philosophy? Welcome to philosophy of science
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Scientists don't need philosophers or to understand philosophy to "do science." The trouble comes when scientists start making philosophical claims without realizing it (or caring), which happens frequently because scientists often don't know the limits of science
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Both my submissions were accepted for the Society of Christian Philosophers conference!
I will be presenting on divine glory consequentialism, a normative ethical theory where God's glory is maximized.
The Bible probably doesn't teach [your favorite political view]. This is no exception, as this isn't even talking about government and has nothing to do with socialism
What is it with Christians being terrified of philosophy?
I will once again refer to CS Lewis: "Good philosophy must exist, if for no other reason, because bad philosophy needs to be answered."
Philosophy has always been the cause of the church going astray, for philosophy means, ultimately, a trusting to human reason and human understanding.
— Martyn Lloyd-Jones
But recognizing the metaphysical difficulties is a far cry from concluding that the Trinity is logically incoherent or a contradiction.
(Shoutout to
@StanRockPatton
for the graphic, the coloration of which is not a millennium old)
I am always elated when I stumble upon a review paper that clarifies terminology I've found confusing in the literature, and I especially like when it admits that the terms have often been mixed up.
#AcademicChatter
Can someone please explain what "God is existence itself" means?
I have heard it 400,000 times but have managed to avoid ever hearing a plausible way to make sense of it.
Maybe pantheism is an at least intelligible rendering of it
@RealAtheology
for free, and increasing my donations to effective charities, than I would by giving such substantial sums of money to publishing companies that hinder epistemic goods of open knowledge and such. I owe more to the global poor than I do to publishing companies.
I think one of the worst ideas in society right now is, "If it doesn't [directly] harm someone else, it is permissible."
This is false, and it has devastating consequences
God is neither a thing in the world, nor the sum total of existing things; he is instead the unconditioned cause of the conditioned universe, the reason why there is something rather than nothing. Accordingly, God is not some good thing, but Goodness itself; not some true object,
Provocative Thought for the Day. Having met and interacted at some length with Dr Craig and watched him speak many times, I believe Craig is a God-fearing man. That's to say, I think he is absolutely terrified of God. Craig believes hell is real, & he fears that he, Craig,...
An argument that I still find convincing for mind-body dualism:
1. Thoughts are mental states without geometric properties (e.g., shape, size)
2. Physical states have geometric properties
3. If (1) and (2), then mental states are not identical to or reducible to physical states
Richard Carrier thinks the standard moral theories "are actually all the same ethical theory and the fact that no one has ever noticed this is very annoying, and impeding progress in moral philosophy." 😆
I guess I should say officially I am now a PhD student in materials science at Texas A&M
I also have an acceptance to their philosophy MA program, but they require you to secure external funding to enroll (so if any of you have $16k floating around, hmu)
@rnw_ch
Virtually none (and for articles, precisely zero) of the money spent on academic books and articles goes to those who did the hard work of authoring them
Definitely one of my favorite philosophy of religion books. He makes so many novel and interesting moves
(many of which I agree with, some of which I've had similar thoughts)
Come on, Harris should know that heaven is an 11th dimensional hyperspace that requires a transloop wormhole to ascend Jacob's ladder into the hyperfuture and that's where God is
𝗧𝗼 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗮𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗶𝘀𝘁𝘀 𝘄𝗶𝘀𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗗𝗮𝗻𝗶𝗲𝗹 𝗗𝗲𝗻𝗻𝗲𝘁𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗥𝗜𝗣:
What's the point of wishing for a person to rest "in peace", when as an atheist you believe his consciousness has disintegrated into total nothingness? ◼️
Is it that you 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺
Okay, this is not going to be popular, BUT - I genuinely don’t understand how people can maintain religious faith through higher education, emerging with a PhD and intact religious belief. How isn’t the belief utterly shattered?
I'm so confused. Do they read philosophy?
Do they think everything is justified non-inferentially?
None of philosophy would exist either. And much discussion in scientific papers (and non-fiction books) would disappear as well.
@RealAtheology
A good q with a non-obvious answer (of course, not that I've ever done it).
I think there's a decent argument such as: I would do more moral good by the improvement of my scholarship (including defending Christianity, theism, and various ethical positions) by getting these books
Genocide isn't always wrong: if a genocide of magnitude n would prevent a trillion genocides each of magnitude 1000000000*n, then it would be permissible.
I find it interesting that the word "science" in English has acquired a rather narrow meaning, usually referring only to the natural sciences. I have been wondering for some while now if not the shift of the meaning and use of the word "science" has had an impact on how the
These quotes are what happens when scientists don't think philosophically. "Humans are 98% genetically similar to x, therefore humans are [basically] x!"
Now here's a thread of funny responses I've heard from some biologists in passing.
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I think it's really important to use our money in ways that helps those that are in the greatest need, so for "promotion" I will share a draft paper where I defend a radical form of altruism as well as a broader ethical framework to situate it
@SRevelare
Is it pure and obvious hokum without looking at a single piece of academic material on the topic?
You'd actually have to look at the purported evidence for and against and assess it before dismissing all who disagree as lacking critical thinking
Oppy's standards for arguments are much too low. A good argument is one in which those who accept the conclusion DIE.
"How's that for a powerful argument?"
Arguments for moral realism:
Companions in guilt arguments (e.g. Terence Cuneo)
Moral progress or moral reformers (e.g. Huemer)
Deliberative indispensability (David Enoch)
An ontological proof (Huemer)
Moral experience/phenomenology (Mandelbaum)
Moral disagreement
Convergence
"Aquinas holds that if someone gives a bad argument for God, we shouldn't act as if everything is ok because 'at least they are on the right team.' We should shoot the argument down, Aquinas says, lest people think that belief in God is based on this bad reason." —Michael Gorman
Cliches that need to die:
1. "X has a history" (and therefore there is no fact of the matter)
2. "People disagree about X" (and therefore X is unjustified)
3. "Not all X" (in response to a general rule of thumb or about statistical averages)
What else am I missing?
The doctrine of Original Sin can be false and Christianity still true. The Gospel doesn't hinge on inherited sin or guilt. We all have done morally wrong things and thus need a Savior.
My favorite Bible verse is Job 38:3, "The LORD said to Job, 'There are God-justifying reasons for my permitting evil that you do not have epistemic access to, so skeptical theism is correct.'"
Some people might say, "But evil doesn't exist 'on its own', 'as a thing in itself,' 'by its own right', it 'depends on good for its existence'."
Okay, so what? What does that have to do with anything? The inference to God stopping evil remains perfectly intact.
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"...the arguments recently put forward by Koons, or by Gale and Pruss, are successful proofs of the existence of God" - Graham Oppy
(Nevermind the "It seems conceivable that" at the beginning of that sentence)
I'm still so confused as to what anti-abortion sentiment cares at all about controlling women's bodies?
Where does this idea come from? No pro-life person I have ever read or talked to gives a crap about controlling women's bodies as some type of goal with being anti-abortion.
Much anti-abortion sentiment is about controling women’s bodies, but the (incorrrect) philosophical idea that a tiny group of cells is a “person” having rights certainly plays a role.
Philosophy matters. Ontology matters. The fundamental nature of reality matters.
The scoffing replies to this tweet are totally unnecessary. There's an obvious sense in which having more women in philosophy of religion is good: it is more likely to lead to truth. There are epistemic benefits to diversity of thought, and men and women think differently. There
Analytic Atheist Philosophy is a formidable and venerable tradition, but it has unfortunately been dominated by cis-white men since its inception. On International Women's Day, we want to admire some female philosophers of religion whose work has been formative in our research.