@maksimologija
Maksimologija
1 year
Since people are still troubled by this, let's remember why there is no logical problem of the Trinity. 🧵
@evilpersists
Evil Persists 🏴‍☠️
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@consciousphilos Your logical definition of the Trinity cannot pass a simple logic test. So you cannot distinguish between who believes in the Trinity and who doesn't, nor can you make it a requirement to be Christian.
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@maksimologija
Maksimologija
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1. There is numerically only one divine nature, which is simple and undivided.
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@maksimologija
Maksimologija
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2. Each divine person is God because his nature is the single divine nature. So: – The Father is God, because his nature is the divine nature. – The Son is God, because his nature is the divine nature. – The Spirit is God, because his nature is the divine nature.
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@maksimologija
Maksimologija
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3. Each divine person is the divine nature + a property. So: – The Father is the divine nature + unbegottenness. – The Son is the divine nature + begottenness. – The Holy Spirit is the divine nature + procession.
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@maksimologija
Maksimologija
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4. The divine nature's unity is not a specific unity, but a numerical unity. As such, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not three instances of a common (specific) nature, but numerically one and the same nature.
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@maksimologija
Maksimologija
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Rather, the nature of the Father is numerically one and the same as the nature of the Son, which is one and the same as the nature of the Holy Spirit. Hence, by nature, the divine persons are not three gods, but one God.
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@maksimologija
Maksimologija
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5. The personal properties by which the divine persons differ from each other are ontological modes of subsistence. So: – The Father's unbegottenness is a mode of subsistence. – The Son's begottenness is a mode of subsistence. – The Spirit's procession is a mode of subsistence.
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@maksimologija
Maksimologija
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As such: – The Father is God subsisting unoriginately. – The Son is God subsisting originately. – The Holy Spirit is God subsisting processively.
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@maksimologija
Maksimologija
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6. There is no logical impossibility in the one divine nature subsisting according to three modes of subsistence. (I.e. a triple mode of subsistence is not repugnant to the notion of the nature as such.)
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@maksimologija
Maksimologija
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7. So, as we see, the doctrine of the Trinity can be set out straightforwardly, without any hint of logical contradiction. In short, there is no "logical problem of the Trinity."
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@Mitrophan4
Tiny Cappy
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@maksimologija In other words, another case of confusion of nature (essence) and person?
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@maksimologija
Maksimologija
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@Mitrophan4 So often the case with anti-trinitarians
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@KeynesAdmirerIN
Keynes കെയ്നെസ്
1 year
@maksimologija Perfect. Any book recommendations? You could also create a similar thread refuting the "logical problem of the incarnation": that whether contradictory properties can be applied to the same subject. Recently discussed with a Muslim on this, and tbh, this is incredibly weak.
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@maksimologija
Maksimologija
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@KeynesAdmirerIN The best place to start is St John of Damascus' Fount of Knowledge. Thanks – yes I should do that.
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@IstanbulTrad
Bir İstanbullu
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@maksimologija
Maksimologija
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@sudden143 Thanks. I defined divine person in (2). Nature is essence, considered with respect to operation. Essence & divine are primitive concepts, so not subject to real definition. I take the latter three terms to be sufficiently clear not to require formal clarification ab initio.
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@wearyadlerian
thewearyadlerian
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@maksimologija It’s a mystery that cannot be fully comprehended by logic .. O Lord release me from my reasoning mind !
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