Jen Bartel
@heyjenbartel
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Eisner-winning illustrator & comic artist, sometimes shoe designer ✧ 🌈 https://t.co/nPfy5EKrHA • 🛍 https://t.co/ji9qnsnpv9 • ❤️🔥 https://t.co/mOlYb4eFWi • 💌 ʜᴇʏ@ᴊᴇɴʙᴀʀᴛᴇʟ.ᴄᴏᴍ ✧
Minneapolis
Joined June 2009
Where to find me outside of twitter:.🌐 (main website).❤️🔥 (newsletter/blog + nsfw art).🌈 (online store).⭐️ 📸
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RT @spacetreasured: the desire for AI-everything has really opened my eyes to just how many people only want to be narcotized by content ra….
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This is literally all it takes to shut it down 99% of the time.
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It’s unfortunate as hell. The issue people should take with genAI is the complete lack of consent in how training data is obtained (which has effectively exploited *all* artists, past and present), not “it can’t draw hands” or “the music notes look bad, I can draw them better” 🥲.
@heyjenbartel That’s all I could think of- it just promotes the original whether you want it to or not… it’s just platforming them further.
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We’ve known for a long time now that genAI can output highly compelling imagery (depending on who is inputting prompts and which human artists it has been trained on, obviously). Reinterpreting these images by hand is not pushing back against unethical systems—it’s the opposite??.
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This is the AI image I’m talking about—if you look in the QTs there are many hand-painted reinterpretations of it, which seems to imply that the issue artists are taking with it is that it’s conceptually compelling but “sloppy” rather than the fact that it’s *intellectual theft*.
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I have been wondering this after seeing that one glowy Miku image being redrawn by a bunch of artists as some kind of Sick Burn—it’s not really a burn, is it? Isn’t it just legitimizing the use of AI as a base? What are these artists trying to say by doing this? Genuine question.
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I didn’t even stop to look at any of the other characters lol.
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Tifa B hello????????????.
The FF7 Ever Crisis team went through various concept art designs for the 1st Anniversary Bahamut themed costumes for Cloud, Tifa, Aerith, and Yuffie! #FF7EC
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Should I start using Bluesky? Saw that they’re adding video soon, those of you who have been active on it, what are your thoughts? I’m on there, but haven’t posted yet 🤔 It seems p good from a cursory glance?
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Damn, I came back to twitter only to see all my Brazilian friends get locked out the very next day. This especially sucks for artists who built platforms here. Whenever I saw a comment in Portuguese I always knew it’d be worth translating to read it. Pouring one out for u all 😭.
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What’s especially frustrating about current contracts is that many new media/digital use cases (such as popular mobile trading card games) is that those apps didn’t even *exist* when a lot of us signed our original artist contracts and they were never allowed to be revisited.
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If we wanted to use a piece of art that we only had a textile license for on a new ceramic collection, we had to go back to the artist and negotiate new terms. There were also limits on usage timelines (usually 1, 2, and 5 year licenses). In physical goods, this is the standard.
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In contract terms, it’s about usage rights and licensing fees on different product formats. Before I worked in comics, I was a product and packaging designer who handled licensed art. Some art we could use only on ceramics like plates and bowls, others on textiles like pillows—.
@reeseer1 @Adam_Crescenzo @heyjenbartel The logo itself didn't make any money. Let's say I, Coca Cola, put a mug with the logo. Will people buy it because of the brand or the logo? I get the discussion about reproduction rights but am lost here.
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Yes, this is standard for any design or illustration work not done as work-for-hire. The other option is to allow a full buyout of all usage rights which usually means the price of the logo (or illustration, etc) goes up exponentially. Know your rights, artist friends ✊.
@Adam_Crescenzo @heyjenbartel To a certain degree. yes. ESPECIALLY reproduction rights. Like, if you designed their logo for their store sign, and then they want to start making coffee mugs with it, you should get part of that. And if they wanna put it on something YOU are uncomfortable with, you get a say.
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Adam u might not realize this but I am arguing in favor of better rights for you too lol 🥲 you and I have more in common than you and any fortune 500 company.
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This is exactly what I’m saying. We have to accept shitty deals knowing full well that they’re bad, bc the alternative is no deal at all. That reflects a gross imbalance of power between corporations and workers; industry standards can only be changed by shining a light on this.
@YaBoiRajy @heyjenbartel Cool ad hominem attack. Everyone can make their own choices. Take the work or leave it, it's up the person doing the work if they want the shitty deal or no deal. A shitty deal still gets me paid, no deal doesn't. You can't buy food with moral-high-ground-bucks, my guy.
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I think your cynical attitude is tragic and your eagerness to allow yourself to be exploited just bc you're a visual artist and not a musician or actor or any other creative who contractually receives royalties for their work is an example to the rest of us of how not to operate.
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If you are an independent sign maker and operating as a small business, actually yes, you can and should add additional usage fees into your contract for different formats. I highly recommend this book for sample contracts and rates you can reference:
@heyjenbartel I'm a sign maker. Should I get residuals from the business that hangs a logo I designed outside their shop? Should I get a check every year that they are in business? Anytime they put that logo on something, am I entitled to more money? No. I sold the art, and now it's theirs.
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