@CeciliaZin
Cecilia Ziniti
6 months
@cristofrcharles @OpenAI Hm. Fair use requires showing the use is transformative - hard to show that here given the verbatim copies and that the responses are a substitute for paying for archives. Wdyt?
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@CeciliaZin
Cecilia Ziniti
6 months
🧡 The historic NYT v. @OpenAI lawsuit filed this morning, as broken down by me, an IP and AI lawyer, general counsel, and longtime tech person and enthusiast. Tl;dr - It's the best case yet alleging that generative AI is copyright infringement. Thread. πŸ‘‡
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@Auriandra
πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ Auriandra πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦
6 months
@CeciliaZin @cristofrcharles @OpenAI Users deserve to know the sources. AI-generated text should provide footnotes (or links) for users. This is standard journalistic and academic practice. Otherwise, it’s plagiarism.
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@BobbyGRG
Dr. Bobby Gomez-Reino
6 months
@CeciliaZin @cristofrcharles @OpenAI but where are the prompts? was it using e.g. search (so possibly other sources having reproduced parts or entirely that text? How come they show answer but no previous prompts? baseless case without reproducibility or having that chat history recorded?
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@_rwx_kujo
Kujo
6 months
@CeciliaZin @cristofrcharles @OpenAI You would have to argue the technical side of this, IMHO. Machines "predict" the next token, they don't copy them. This is based in linear algebra, calculus, and discrete mathematics. Surface level outputs may appear as copies, but in actuality would be far more (and I hesitate…
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@X0Radi
Radi
6 months
@CeciliaZin @cristofrcharles @OpenAI I can't reproduce any of these. They don't show any of their previous prompts either. If someone gave it a link previously before the website added it to their robot list, and GPT read it, is that breach of use? No one is getting their morning news from chatGPT.
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@Quantling
Sparta ħ𝕏
6 months
@CeciliaZin @cristofrcharles @OpenAI I do fair use, as a scholar. Zero possibility that what any LLM does is fair use. If it is, then I can take any article, chop it into chunks, analyze the chunks until my algorithm reconstructs 98% of it article perfectly, & call it mine. (In fact, this is exactly what "AI" does.)
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@Quantling
Sparta ħ𝕏
6 months
@CeciliaZin @cristofrcharles @OpenAI A simpler example would be to copy one sentence of an article at a time, and call each sentence "fair use". And I change a few words, but after copying most of it, the article matches nearly word for word. And --- all without attribution of any kind.
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@islandinthemoon
moon island
6 months
@CeciliaZin @cristofrcharles @OpenAI Except these cooked examples can only be reproduced by developers with technical knowledge (and not by using ChatGPT). Hard to argue substantial infringement via exploiting a technical quirk (temperature set to 0).
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@Wiznutz
Dan W.
6 months
@CeciliaZin @cristofrcharles @OpenAI What are the prompts that get the remarkably similar outputs?
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@odbol
odbol
6 months
@CeciliaZin @cristofrcharles @OpenAI A slight alteration of the prompt, or a continuation of it, will result in transformative output. They're trying to treat the AI as some kind of static, immutable output, when really it's dependent on the input and time. We don't have the laws to examine this yet
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@SASSandATTITUDE
glory for ukraine
6 months
@CeciliaZin @cristofrcharles @OpenAI you can talk to chat gpt lol. You chat with your articles.
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@csimokat
chris simokat
6 months
@CeciliaZin @cristofrcharles @OpenAI As others said knowing the prompts matters for reproducibility and to ensure it isn't something trivial and disingenuous like "repeat the following back to me..." 1/4
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@csimokat
chris simokat
6 months
@CeciliaZin @cristofrcharles @OpenAI Is not the parsing/tokenization transformative as well as how the sources are applied to generate responses to the prompts? I mean generally outside of the alleged examples NYT put in the complaint. 2/4
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@csimokat
chris simokat
6 months
@CeciliaZin @cristofrcharles @OpenAI wrt data though LLMs/RAG are a lot like search so what do you think about Field v Google here in terms of an implicit license and in terms of safe harbor? And like how could you rule OpenAI retrieving and indexing the data is wrong but its okay for Google, Bing, Yahoo et al? 3/4
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@csimokat
chris simokat
6 months
@CeciliaZin @cristofrcharles @OpenAI Agree NYT case has more legs than others yet as much as I empathize with creators a lot of this was decided back in the day for search and social media so it being GenAI now is not as novel as the people feel wronged think/feel it is. It's all still fancy matrix/tensor math. 4/4
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@CereBelLegal
CereBel Legal Intelligence
6 months
@CeciliaZin @cristofrcharles @OpenAI Transformative is the context of the broader chat in which the prompt eliciting the duplicate text is part of a broader inquiry combining and analyzing responses from other knowledge and sources.
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